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Suicides in this GFC

You are such a twat. Seriously. No lol.

I just love how you walk in here and proclaim that people who commit suicide are 'weak' and you need set backs in life to live life to the fullest...classic lines from a clearly educated person such as yourself.

Here are a couple of interesting scenario's I would like you to ponder...and then see if suicide is weak:

- African children left to fend for themselves after their parents have passed away. A 13 year old girl looking after her siblings as well as working for peanuts...i'm sure this setback in her life is setting her up for Tattslotto!

- Soldiers who fight wars in foreign nations and see such violence/bloodshed and horrific scenes that they just can't live with the eternal nightmares. Kennas once wrote of soldiers witnessing bodies of children and women dumped on top of each other (absolute tragedy) in Rwanda. These unfortunate soldiers who are serving a purpose to protect the innocent in these war torn nations witness these scenes...but i'm sure they would be weak if they decided to end their own lives to rid themselves of the pain and suffering of seeing and committing such acts

- Paramedics - They apparently have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I'm sure pulling people from cars, trying to restart the hearts of cardiac arrest victims whilst pleas, tears and screams of onlookers swirl around you, trying to jump start a person who has overdosed at such a young age and was probably born with potential...i'm sure these are all minor bumps...set backs as you would say...in their lives for bigger things!

It's not a perfect world. Deal with it. You can live or you can jump. No one is stopping you from stepping off that cliff, if you believe in armageddon.
In any event, I'm a big optimist. There is always something to live for, no matter how despairing your situation is. I would never give in without a fight.

Maybe I have a personal disease called "cheerfulness". :)

Btw ... it's really easy to see dead bodies and live murders/decapitations these days on the internet. Especially if it's anything related to the middle east. I can post you a link if you want.
 
lol ... I love it when people get personal.
You'd probably jump out the window too wouldn't you? With your "loss of identity" ... lol ... whatever that means. Boo hoo ... cry me a river.

Survival of the fittest mate. Don't make excuses and suck your thumb. If you don't want to compete and fight, well then jump.

I handle change well....don't identify myself as anything in particular, and
never fight over anything, i do however feel the need to understand.
 
Everybody hear about the most recent suicide of a young Deutsche Bank trader in London because of his job?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6668043.ece

Sad really. Amazing how upset people can get over such trivial things. Weak.

That's like 10 suicides/deaths related to the GFC that I can recall off the top of my head:

Adolf Merckle - German billionaire, suicide
David Kellerman - Freddie Mac CFO, suicide (hanging)
Kirk Stephenson - investor, suicide (jumped in front of a train)
Huibert Boumeester - ABN Amro CFO, apparent suicide
Ervin Anthony Lupoe - shot and killed his wife and five young children, then took his own life (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/a-man-who-had-r.html)



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aJp2H_Axtn68

July 8 (Bloomberg) -- Murders and suicides spike with unemployment, U.S. and European researchers said.

The scientists, who combed through almost four decades of European Union records, found that a 1 percent increase in joblessness brings about a 0.8 percent rise in suicide and murder rates. Government programs to help workers offer some protection, they wrote in the July 8 issue of The Lancet.

there is nothing wrong with that. the world is a better place without them.:)
 
You are such a twat. Seriously. No lol.

I just love how you walk in here and proclaim that people who commit suicide are 'weak' and you need set backs in life to live life to the fullest...classic lines from a clearly educated person such as yourself.

Here are a couple of interesting scenario's I would like you to ponder...and then see if suicide is weak:

- African children left to fend for themselves after their parents have passed away. A 13 year old girl looking after her siblings as well as working for peanuts...i'm sure this setback in her life is setting her up for Tattslotto!

- Soldiers who fight wars in foreign nations and see such violence/bloodshed and horrific scenes that they just can't live with the eternal nightmares. Kennas once wrote of soldiers witnessing bodies of children and women dumped on top of each other (absolute tragedy) in Rwanda. These unfortunate soldiers who are serving a purpose to protect the innocent in these war torn nations witness these scenes...but i'm sure they would be weak if they decided to end their own lives to rid themselves of the pain and suffering of seeing and committing such acts

- Paramedics - They apparently have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I'm sure pulling people from cars, trying to restart the hearts of cardiac arrest victims whilst pleas, tears and screams of onlookers swirl around you, trying to jump start a person who has overdosed at such a young age and was probably born with potential...i'm sure these are all minor bumps...set backs as you would say...in their lives for bigger things!

This is such a minute version of scenario's I can think of...but all things where I'm sure the people in those situations would not be frowned upon in society for committing suicide and as a weak..rather it would be viewed as a tragedy that these fantastic people who are just trying to live normal lives had to be exposed to such heartache situations that they had to make a choice on whether to continue with their nightmare or be at eternal peace with their souls...

Um. No one forces a soldier to be a soldier, not in Australia anyway. No one forces a paramedic to be one. So what is your point? I am sure these people are made well aware of what they will encounter in their working life.
 
We are talking of people committing suicide because of money and pride.

I think in the case of the GFC and people committing suicide that they were more likely to do it because they lost touch with who they were. Money became their God, rather than happiness and fun.

As another poster alluded to, if you have real friends and family, then you are less likely to feel alienated. These people must have really put their eggs into one basket. Bit of a mistake imo. :)
 
There is always something to live for, no matter how despairing your situation is. I would never give in without a fight.

How do you know? What is the hardest fight you have ever fought?

But you are admitting, after a fight, you may give in?
 
Being made well aware and experiencing it are 2 different things..

True, but it is a choice an individual makes. Don't get me wrong, I have the greatest admiration for ambos and the job they do. It takes a very tough person to do it.
 
Sorry Knocker, I dont see it like you do

Just because they are suppose to know what they are in for and end up needing help, does not make them weak

Saying only tough people should do the job is one of the reasons that people do commit suicide as they feel they have failed

They are human..

Some can handle it, some may not

We shouldnt be sitting on the side lines judging..
 
Sorry Knocker, I dont see it like you do

Just because they are suppose to know what they are in for and end up needing help, does not make them weak

Saying only tough people should do the job is one of the reasons that people do commit suicide as they feel they have failed

They are human..

Some can handle it, some may not

We shouldnt be sitting on the side lines judging..

What? I never mention weak. That was someone else. What's your problem? I am saying that perhaps they should never have been in the job to begin with. No job/career is worth killing yourself for.
 
For every person that commits suicide there is another in a worse situation not willing to give up their gift of life.
 
unfortunately if you had seen or had someone in that situation, you may
have a little more compassion. its easy to say 'get over it', much different
to be in some one elses shoes.

its the saddest thing when someone is so jaded that they cant see through it, and whoever said it is right, its a disease, you cant just snap out of it.

jc
 
unfortunately if you had seen or had someone in that situation, you may
have a little more compassion. its easy to say 'get over it', much different
to be in some one elses shoes.

its the saddest thing when someone is so jaded that they cant see through it, and whoever said it is right, its a disease, you cant just snap out of it.

jc
that pretty much sums it up very succinctly. some people get in such a hole, they just cannot see out of it. the irrational becomes becomes rational to them, if this makes sense to anyone.
just talk to any mental health expert and they will educate anyone who doesnt understand it.
i was a bit like some posters here untill i gained some education on it.
you find a lot of very sucessful people suffer from it but cope, if you choose to look.
the brain is complex and not always logical. it's still very a vauge area of the anatomy knowledgewise. talk to a brain surgeon.
 
It's not a perfect world. Deal with it. You can live or you can jump. No one is stopping you from stepping off that cliff, if you believe in armageddon.
In any event, I'm a big optimist. There is always something to live for, no matter how despairing your situation is. I would never give in without a fight.

Maybe I have a personal disease called "cheerfulness". :)

Btw ... it's really easy to see dead bodies and live murders/decapitations these days on the internet. Especially if it's anything related to the middle east. I can post you a link if you want.

I don't know your situation, so I can't comment. You might have gone through some pretty tough stuff against the odds & come up smelling of roses, or who knows you may be a young middle class Gen Y male who has'nt experienced ****. Either way, think before you speak as you don't what others reading have been through.
 
unfortunately if you had seen or had someone in that situation, you may
have a little more compassion. its easy to say 'get over it', much different
to be in some one elses shoes.

its the saddest thing when someone is so jaded that they cant see through it, and whoever said it is right, its a disease, you cant just snap out of it.

jc

suicide is an experience that i hope no one needs to have. the pain does not end for the family and friends of a victim.

the intensity of sadness and guilt family members feel, the sadness felt by children missing their parent or parents, the sadness of parents missing their most cherished child.. its beyond words how sad and difficult that life is when suicide impacts into your life.

having no compassion and understanding of it like the knobs on this thread is just a pity for them, the ability for the brain to understand and feel compassion for a fellow human is what makes our species unique, being insular and narrow minded is just an age issue, frontal lobe development may be retarded in their brain or they are simply too immature to have compassion as part of their character development.. it will pass once lifes experiences and growth reaches them..

some times the body gets a disease and dies, cancer has taken many of my friends and family.

sometimes the organs themselves are weak, i have had a very good friend of mine just die next to me during a sporting event..

as for suicide, i have seen that one visit very close to home.

i thoroughly endorse and strongly recommend all support the great work of jeff and beyond blue

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?

dont let the naysayers win this one, anyone needing help or support please dont feel your weak, thats not what depression is about, its not a weakness at all.. there are many out in the community including me who will bend over backwards to help you in any way shape or form..

there are many survivors of depression, and i ask anyone who sees a change in a friend or family member, and who thinks things are turning in peoples lives, they are not weak, and they may not in themselves even know they have depression,, guide them help them and love them and support them..

get familiar with beyondblue, with depression and help yourself or anyone who you think is experiencing depression..
 
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great post.

its the saddest thing to watch someone very close go from an out-going,
happy person, to closed in with no where to go. there is no turning back
once that final decison is made, thats the worst part.
 
Interesting thread - I can see both sides of the coin in relation to the 'weak' vs. 'helpless' theme that is emerging but ultimately I believe that we're all individually responsible for who we are...
The people in life who invoke our sympathy because of dire circumstances still have a choice irrespective of how difficult we believe their situation to be.

It is these choices that dictate what we make of our lives and to this extent, those who choose to give up (for whatever reason) have succumbed to their own weaknesses or inability... as callous as it seems, it's really not debatable.

The opposing side of the coin that supports this is those who do come through some inconceivable hardships... they simply are stronger people and made a choice to live.

Unless we've been there ourselves, I don't believe anyone can ever know their true physical or emotional limits in life and consequently can never be truly confident about how we 'would have' handled things in 'their situation'. We can only ever hope that we'll maintain enough strength if we go through rough patches.

The only thing certain in hard times is that suicide will never improve your life (or others)...
 
The only thing certain in hard times is that suicide will never improve your life (or others)...
I don't think that's certain at all. Neither do I see that it necessarily relates to hard times if we're talking suicide in a general sense.

If someone is experiencing intense suffering from whatever source, suicide can represent to them the only way of that pain.

That's what I meant when I said earlier that suicide imo can be a quite rational act. (As distinct from the hypothesis that anyone committing suicide is ipso facto insane.)
 
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