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Peter Frame, a former New York City Ballet principal dancer who became a mentor to young dancers, died on Thursday outside his apartment building on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, the police said. He was 61. The cause was suicide, the medical examiner’s office said. Authorities said he left behind a note.



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Former NYC Ballet principal dancer Peter Frame commits suicide just a day after the death of his former colleague - renowned dancer and choreographer Paul Taylor
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...me-commits-suicide-day-death-Paul-Taylor.html
 
Thanks for posting noirua - its so easy to just avoid the subject, its very real and not going away.
 
'We should be able to choose': Australian firefighter Troy Thornton dies in Swiss euthanasia clinic
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An Australian firefighter has died in a Swiss euthanasia clinic, leaving a message for politicians and voters.

Troy Thornton, 54, died by lethal injection late on Friday, Australian time.

His wife Christine was there to hold his hand, but he died without his two teenage children by his side.

The Victorian man said he wanted the nation to think deeply about the concept of dying well, and to challenge the notion that choosing death is somehow wrong.

He wanted to legally end his life at home in Australia, with all those he loved around him.

But despite Victoria becoming the first state to legalise voluntary assisted dying, he did not qualify.

His disease — multiple system atrophy — is a progressive neurodegenerative disorder. There are no treatments and there is no prospect of recovery, but death can take years.

That's where the Victorian laws fall down, Mr Thornton said.

He could not find two doctors willing to say with absolute certainty that he would die within 12 months, which in his case is a condition to access the legislation.

That left him with Switzerland as a solution to end his suffering, albeit without his children, his extended family and his circle of friends.

"Doctors have always told me that you don't die of it, you die with it. You can live for quite a few years, but… you end up being a vegetable," he said from the Swiss city of Basel.

"After a while it attacks different systems, breathing, swallowing. I'd end up drowning in my own mucous, that's what happens."

He called his disease a "beast": one that takes everything away slowly.

"First you can't swim, then you can't run, walk, kick the footy with your children, you can't surf, drive; eventually it takes your career. Then you end up being a vegetable.​


 
DB008 said:
'We should be able to choose': Australian firefighter Troy Thornton dies in Swiss euthanasia clinic
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An Australian firefighter has died in a Swiss euthanasia clinic, leaving a message for politicians and voters.

Troy Thornton, 54, died by lethal injection late on Friday, Australian time.

His wife Christine was there to hold his hand, but he died without his two teenage children by his side.

The Victorian man said he wanted the nation to think deeply about the concept of dying well, and to challenge the notion that choosing death is somehow wrong.

He wanted to legally end his life at home in Australia, with all those he loved around him.

But despite Victoria becoming the first state to legalise voluntary assisted dying, he did not qualify.

His disease — multiple system atrophy — is a progressive neurodegenerative disorder. There are no treatments and there is no prospect of recovery, but death can take years.

That's where the Victorian laws fall down, Mr Thornton said.

He could not find two doctors willing to say with absolute certainty that he would die within 12 months, which in his case is a condition to access the legislation.

That left him with Switzerland as a solution to end his suffering, albeit without his children, his extended family and his circle of friends.

"Doctors have always told me that you don't die of it, you die with it. You can live for quite a few years, but… you end up being a vegetable," he said from the Swiss city of Basel.

"After a while it attacks different systems, breathing, swallowing. I'd end up drowning in my own mucous, that's what happens."

He called his disease a "beast": one that takes everything away slowly.

"First you can't swim, then you can't run, walk, kick the footy with your children, you can't surf, drive; eventually it takes your career. Then you end up being a vegetable.​


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Horrible disease..
 
grah33 said:
You may be surprised that the 3 main religions regard suicide (not in all instances though) as a highly selfish act, likened to murder, and worthy of eternal perdition . And this is what quite a few people -even on this forum – think , so should be pointed out.

There is definitely something selfish to ending your life imo, if it's not going how you want it to go.

Augustine (City of God from memory) provides a different perspective .
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Augustine on Taking One’s Own Life
http://www.didymus.org/uploads/3/4/2/1/3421357/augustine_on_suicide.pdf

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https://www.lifeline.org.au
https://www.lifeinmindaustralia.com.au/youcantalk
 
noirua said:
Pupil who escaped Parkland shooting takes own life due to 'survivor's guilt'
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A student who survived the massacre at a high school in Parkland has taken her own life after struggling with 'survivor's guilt'.​

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Second Parkland shooting survivor kills himself, police confirm
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Parkland is feeling more pain.

A week after the suicide of a former student, a Marjory Stoneman High School student has taken his life, Coral Springs police confirmed Sunday.

The double tragedy comes just as students are out of school this week for spring break.

Investigators told the Miami Herald that the male student died in “an apparent suicide” on Saturday night. He was a sophomore and attended MSD last year at the time of the Feb. 14 shooting that claimed 17 lives on campus. Police did not release his name.​

 
On a less political subject, my grandmother passed away yesterday in france, 100y plus but what a shameful end.no thinking for more than 10y due to Alzheimer, a heart beating only after a pacemaker was installed in her 90 while already senile and last year or so bedridden and tube fed...but the hospital was getting paid a fortune every day for that...
Doing the same treatment to a dog would bring you to jail....
Never forget the money side of the aged care system when dealing with the latter years.
Unless the family is very strict and united..it was not ..you are treated as a dollar bag
Obviously fully favoring euthanasia.or at least the choice to stop treatment...
Wishing that end to no-one...
 
qldfrog said:
my grandmother passed away yesterday in france, 100y plus but what a shameful end.no thinking for more than 10y due to Alzheimer, a heart beating only after a pacemaker was installed in her 90 while already senile and last year or so bedridden and tube fed...but the hospital was getting paid a fortune every day for that
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Please accept my condolences.

My Father was in a nursing home when he had dementia. He had stopped eating and was withering away in a hospital and the Doctors called a family meeting. They basically said that we can keep your Father alive by feeding him through a tube "but what kind if life would that be for him". Similar with my Mother, she had multiple organ failure and the Doctors did say they can keep Mum alive for quite some time "but is that what Mum would like, is that a way for Mum to live her life."?

As a family we said we were not medically qualified in anything and we didn't know what to do. We asked, what would be the right way to go and what should we do? They said, we can keep your Mum going for 3 or 4 weeks but eventually she will die or we could let her die naturally by disconnecting everything and let her have a peaceful and natural death. They said the family should decide but they said that in this situation they thought disconnecting everything would be the better option. The siblings all had the meeting and we thought we should follow the Doctors advice. Mum always said, if she was in that situation, please tell them to pull the plug.

So my question is don't French Doctors advise the same? Who was paying these hospital bills, they would have been astronomical?
 
qldfrog said:
On a less political subject, my grandmother passed away yesterday in france, 100y plus but what a shameful end.no thinking for more than 10y due to Alzheimer, a heart beating only after a pacemaker was installed in her 90 while already senile and last year or so bedridden and tube fed...but the hospital was getting paid a fortune every day for that...
Doing the same treatment to a dog would bring you to jail....
Never forget the money side of the aged care system when dealing with the latter years.
Unless the family is very strict and united..it was not ..you are treated as a dollar bag
Obviously fully favoring euthanasia.or at least the choice to stop treatment...
Wishing that end to no-one...
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Never a truer word spoken.
 
In this situation now with my 95 year old Dad.

Not good to watch as he clearly is drifting from recognizing
people things and where he is to the terror of knowing you
you cant remember what you should be able to and there
is nothing you can do. He is bed ridden due to Knee and
hip issues.

He has made it as clear to us as I have to my kids.
Make it as comfortable as possible but dont prolong
the exit!

For me at least it certainly diminishes the importance of all
the rubbish we go through in life from relationships to building
careers and businesses---when what is left is basically nothing!
Our life affects very few.
 
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Hard times.
Yes..puts thing well and truly into perspective.
My 90yo mother died recently after a few years in an aged care facility.
John Mellencamp wrote in one of his sings that life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone.
So true.
My mother was fortunate to die from a massive stroke when she did.
Her family likewise fortunate to not have to endure the witnessing of the cumulative indignities of the failing mind and body.
 
Bill M said:
question is don't French Doctors advise the same? Who was paying these hospital bills, they would have been astronomical?
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Pension from deceased husband plus assets(low as working class) plus welfare from a debt ridden socialist bankrupt nation
During that time 10pc permanent unemployment and millions illegal immigrants..you understand why most of gifted youths are running away
 

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