Suicide and Voluntary Euthanasia

[noirua]

Oksana Shachko, a Founder of Feminist Protest Movement, Dies at 31
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/obituaries/oksana-shachko-a-founder-of-feminist-protest-movement-dies-at-31.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/obituaries&action=click&contentCollection=obituaries&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront

Oksana Shachko (Ukrainian: Оксана Шачко; 31 January 1987 – 23 July 2018) was a Ukrainian artist and activist with FEMEN. She was one of the founders of the feminist activist group FEMEN in April 2008, along with Anna Hutsol and Alexandra Shevchenko, a group that publicly protested in various countries against sexual exploitation, income inequality, and policies of the Roman Catholic Church, among other causes.

France granted her political refugee status in 2013, after several attacks by security forces connected to Vladimir Putin, a target of FEMEN protests along with the French Front National.[8] She lived in Paris working as a painter.

Shachko was found dead in her apartment in Paris, France, on 23 July 2018. She was 31. Anna Hutsol told Ukrayinska Pravda that friends were awaiting an official report.[10] It was reported that she hanged herself[11] and a suicide note was found next to her body.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksana_Shachko

 

[noirua]

Suffering can also be a gift too. It changes people's lives.

Belief in the existence of God, or being open to it, leads to entrusting oneself to a Creator. The 'promise' that God supports his friends in illness and affliction is very true for many people.

The command “Do not worry, do not fear” can be helpful to a suffering person.

Also, I should report that when a person develops virtue, problems of the mind tend to diminish significantly (something I've seen). Practicing virtue can bring great peace to a person. “For they (the holy teachings) are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body. ” (proverbs)

I've known three people with neuralgia who suffered such violent pain that in one case it through him to the ground. Thinking a person can suffer such pain or a raging toothache type of pain always and have any belief in the existence of god help them or think suffering is a gift. Then I say, god help them who believe that may...

 

[grah33]

I've known three people with neuralgia who suffered such violent pain that in one case it through him to the ground. Thinking a person can suffer such pain or a raging toothache type of pain always and have any belief in the existence of god help them or think suffering is a gift. Then I say, god help them who believe that may...

I don't think such people are deluded, but on the contrary might have something good to offer. This verse below shows the Christian position on suffering, and gives its followers a wonderful sense of security in this life, no matter what comes their way:

“
..You will have the strength in you to bear all manner of suffering with joy, and to never give in…
“
(Paul, New T, paraphrased as couldn't find it)

So, for a practicing Christian, key point here is God's willingness to assist a person to bear all manner of suffering peacefully. The writer himself speaks from experience as he suffered the most, and suffered for his whole life after his conversion to Christianity. His life was regularly exercised in different types of suffering and hardship, including suffering beyond human ability to cope. He is also known for his beautiful line "Perfect love casts out fear...". Perhaps their persecutions and sufferings also made them tremble with fear... What else could I add to this? The same writer also talks about God's purpose in suffering - includes perfecting human character. And on a practical level, a suffering Christian would entrust themselves completely to God (faith), ask for help, and some would even offer it up to God for some special intention.

 

[noirua]

I don't think such people are deluded, but on the contrary might have something good to offer. This verse below shows the Christian position on suffering, and gives its followers a wonderful sense of security in this life, no matter what comes their way:

“
..You will have the strength in you to bear all manner of suffering with joy, and to never give in…
“
(Paul, New T, paraphrased as couldn't find it)

So, for a practicing Christian, key point here is God's willingness to assist a person to bear all manner of suffering peacefully. The writer himself speaks from experience as he suffered the most, and suffered for his whole life after his conversion to Christianity. His life was regularly exercised in different types of suffering and hardship, including suffering beyond human ability to cope. He is also known for his beautiful line "Perfect love casts out fear...". Perhaps their persecutions and sufferings also made them tremble with fear... What else could I add to this? The same writer also talks about God's purpose in suffering - includes perfecting human character. And on a practical level, a suffering Christian would entrust themselves completely to God (faith), ask for help, and some would even offer it up to God for some special intention.

We will have to agree to differ as I have my views and do not try to justify them by hunting on line through very many books, signified holy or otherwise, depending on how we want to justify belief or causation.

 

[noirua]

Ellie Soutter (25 July 2000 – 25 July 2018) was a British snowboarder.[1]
Soutter took her own life in woodlands near her French home on 25 July 2018, her 18th birthday.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Soutter

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[noirua]

Bongani Mawethu Mayosi (28 January 1967 – 27 July 2018) was a South African cardiology professor who was awarded his county's highest honour, the Order of Mapungubwe (Silver) in 2009.[1] He was the Dean of the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Cape Town and an A-rated National Research Foundation researcher.[2] Prior to this, he was head of the Department of Medicine at the University of Cape Town and Groote Schuur Hospital.[3] His father was a medical doctor and so is his wife; his research interests included rheumatic fever, tuberculous pericarditis and cardiomyopathy.[4][5] He was a member of the Academy of Science of South Africa and a former President of the College of Physicians of South Africa.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bongani_Mayosi

 

[MrBurns]

The doctors who think it's become too hard to die

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...to-death-and-having-a-plan-for-dying/10014582

 

[noirua]

Yes, this thread is no doubt the saddest place on ASF. So a few songs that can cheer the place up a bit lest we all become depressed ourselves:


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[sptrawler]

That's nice, I think there are a lot, who need cheering up.

 

[MrBurns]

 

[grah33]

Yes, this thread is no doubt the saddest place on ASF. So a few songs that can cheer the place up a bit lest we all become depressed ourselves:


ASF share competition: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/t...g-competition-entry-thread.34114/#post-989958

nice music. “You raise me up” is a bit of an uplifting personal anthem for those who believe, but inspires everyone really. Pretty much sums up my other post. The "raising up" is to a new place of strength.

 

[cynic]

For bouts of mild depression, I have sometimes found these ones useful:


Unfortunately, for more severe bouts of Depression (note the capital "D") no amount of upliftingly positive music has ever alleviated the symptoms, nor brought colour back into the world. I suspect that many (perhaps even most) suicides are a consequence of those deeper levels of Depression (sometimes referred to as visitations of "the black dog").

 

[MrBurns]

My understanding is that medication does work. I know some people who are on anti anxiety or depression meds and you’d never know they had a problem. Some have been on them for many years.

I can see from their posts that other connections of mine are in a depressive state, you can tell from their posts.
It’s quite common now and the media doesn’t help, the news is absolutely full of every nasty story they can find.

Thank goodness for the ABC at least they don’t join in this nasty practice.

 

[CanOz]

Zoloft saved my life. Unfortunately some people don't believe in meds and yet they could be the only thing left in hope of leading a normal life....free from anxiety and anger.

 

[MrBurns]

Zoloft saved my life. Unfortunately some people don't believe in meds and yet they could be the only thing left in hope of leading a normal life....free from anxiety and anger.

Tried it hated it didn’t bother after that.
I’m not bad but as you get older you realise it doesn’t go on forever, your body starts to break down and so on.

Marriages are over one way or the other I hardly know anyone that’s happily married after 20 years.

You get more loyalty from a dog.

So you reflect on the past more and more you have regrets and plenty of them.
Then you realise that’s the way life is.

Keeping your social contacts is important.
I look back and see my social life has retracted dramatically over the years.

If you understand all men die eventually rich or poor and to do as much good as you can while you still can is important

I was hoping to leave this world a better place for my children but I think it may have gone the other way.

 

[CanOz]

Geez that's pretty dire burnsy....

I need some self medication now....but it's not even 8 am!

 

[MrBurns]

Geez that's pretty dire burnsy....

I need some self medication now....but it's not even 8 am!

Ha, it’s not all bad just adjusting to getting older.
The world probably isn’t a worse place it’s just different and older people tend to think their time was the golden years.
I am disappointed in how relationships break down but people change and that’s life.
Plenty of people adjust without any problems it’s just getting older seems to have snuck up while I wasn’t looking.

I do have concerns about the dying process I don’t want to linger on unable to have any control over matters.
I’d like advance notice so I can get things in order. Ha, practical right to the end.

In the meantime travel and drink up and bore people silly with your wisdom [emoji106]

 

[noirua]

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Something to look forward to.

 

[grah33]

In the past I once tried medication to help deal with serious anxiety problems, which were quite powerful at the time. It didn't help me, but who knows, maybe if I kept trying different types of medication I might have found something that worked. I got really bad side effects too, and didn't want to keep trying stuff after that. Fortunately I have found other ways to deal with it and my symptoms are significantly smaller in strength now. Interestingly enough I feel better now than before when I was once healthy.

Even if I didn't get much from medication, it does seem to help many people out there.

Suffering is a part of life. Many healthy people are battling with something all the time.

 

[noirua]

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A Rough Rehearsal, a Suicide and a Broadway Show in Turmoil
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/theater/chicago-musical-actor-suicide-broadway.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/obituaries&action=click&contentCollection=obituaries&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront

Mr. Loeffelholz was born and raised in Norman, Okla. His father, Ray Loeffelholz, died by suicide at the age of 23, about three months before Jeff Loeffelholz’s birth, according to a friend and a news report at the time. His mother died, apparently of a heart attack, at 45, when Mr. Loeffelholz was in college; he sang “You’ll Never Walk Alone” from “Carousel” at her funeral.

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