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The Four Corners program on cba, highlighted the tip of the iceberg into corruption. It may not have been the cba that is the problem, but those employees within the bank prepared to do so much that wasn't right. I don't understand how they could get away with this. Their actions allowed storm to do what they did to their clients. We thought we were getting a genuine financial plan. It is only when storm collapsed that we were being told that it was too good to be true. That hurt because I though that we were doing the right thing taking for financial advice, I had no idea that it was too good to be true. Obviously we were hoping to get ahead financially by seeking advice, but "too good to be true" no that was never the case.
Excellent comments HQ.
I have before advocated that Financial Management should be a core subject at school from Y1 to Y12.
Investment is a zero sum game, one wins as a consequence of another's loss, unless expansion occurs in the economy.
Expansion usually stops when a bubble bursts as with the GFC, which destroyed Storm's model of "no losers".
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You seem to miss the reality that hundreds of thousands of people, millions in fact, have been successfully investing for much of their adult lives. They are the ones who have taken the steps to become financially literate and have no need of advisers.This Government and ASIC will never do anything about fixing the financial sector until people wake up to themselves and stop investing. I hope that my book will make them do just that.
I am currently writing a book called, 'THEY PRACTISE TO DECEIVE'...........
It's not about educating financial advisers or would be investors. It's about putting in place a set of rules that financial advisers must follow. The penalties for not doing so must be severe enough to make them think twice before deceiving people.
And nor should you. If you punt your money on an extremely risky investment, mortgage your home to borrow more money to punt on the same risky investment, then use double gearing to borrow even more money which once again you punt on this risky investment.....then there’s no way in the world that you should be entitled to get your money back if if the market crashes and you lose everything.We, the people that lost our money in Storm, will never get it back.
Ah yes....you’ve been hoping for and predicting dire outcomes for the financial planning industry for quite some time now. And yet financial planners across the board have reported a significant increase in business since the 2008 financial crash.Public perception is everything. For those in the financial sector, there's a STORM coming your way now. Let's see how you cope with it?
You’ll die a happy man? I doubt it. I think it’s more likely that you’ll die a bitter, resentful, twisted old man because you’ll spend the rest of your life ranting and raving about the perceived injustices of the system, rather than having enough character to face the fact that you are largely responsible for the decisions you made, and the outcomes of those decisions.Yes, this is 'payback' time. If I can cause the same misery to the financial sector, and the people that control this area, that they have caused to the people that placed their trust in Storm , I will die a happy man.
Bunyip I think you are being really rough on Frank.
I suggest there are very real concerns about the quality of advice given by Financial Advisors. Many people on this forum have offered their own experiences on just how questionable or down right deceitful the industry has been in their experience.
The Storm experience is one particular example. But even as that is unpacked we can see just how culpable the CBA has been with it's treatment of people via it's financial planners.
I have a lot of respect for Frank to being prepared to fight and keep fighting on behalf of the thousands of people who have been misled or just plain ripped off by financial planners.
And yet we have people who oppose the suggestion that basic investment and financial education should be taught in schools so as to better equip people to ask questions of financial planners, and evaluate the advice they give.I do not think the average Joe is really able to ask the type of questions that will bring a dodgy planner to account.
8 days? Really? That sounds incredible. Are you saying they would come out of those 8 days properly qualified as financial advisers? Could you provide a link to this information?At at present to become a financial adviser it is an 8 day course.
Day 1 would be a video preservation how so set up a web site and search for Merc's/Rollers to impress your victims.
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My ex-Financial Advisor sold nothing but MLC Products. They were so successful that they were able to cull their least profitable clients i.e. clients with low balances in MLC. At the time I was upset at being rejected but it was a blessing in disguise. I removed the other advisor they recommended and stopped their trailing commissions. Then I learned one or two things about Super and switched my low balance to an Industry Fund. Had I not being culled, I would have foolishly believed that my advisor had my best interest at heart. It is a strange thing to thank GFC for reducing my balance so that I was not good enough to be part of my ex-Financial Advisor's client list.
(I currently receive no advice on my current Super but it has performed way better than my previous Super - with MUCH less fees. Pity I do not have enough to justify SMSF - not worth, rather keep a minimum in Super. This thread is influencing my decision
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/for...=24666&page=35
Actually this Forum has many things to rave about.)
Could I ever imagine my ex-Financial Advisor telling me that I earn a low income, making very small contributions to my Super and thus an Industry Fund is more suited than a Retail Fund?? Or when I want to put $5000 into an investment, he sold me another MLC product just 8 months prior to GFC. Actually it was my fault for being so gullible. :bang head:
I really should list my dumb naive mistake on this thread as one of the most dumbest, naive and gullible mistake I have made:
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/for...hlight=mistake
+1I think, fwiw, that basilio and bunyip are both right...
...I am currently writing a book called, 'THEY PRACTISE TO DECEIVE' which is not so much about Storm Financial or us for that matter, but rather about what happened to us afterwards. The ‘aftermath’, so to speak!
In my book everyone gets a mention; Storm, the Banks, ASIC, the Judiciary, the lawyers, the Government, the Media etc. My book is aimed at the general public in Australia who need to be informed about the hidden dangers that exist in the financial sector, and the lack of protections that still exists today for the unwary.
We, the people that lost our money in Storm, will never get it back. So be it! However, if I can stop others from placing their trust in an industry that cannot be trusted, then the experience will have been worth it.
This Government and ASIC will never do anything about fixing the financial sector until people wake up to themselves and stop investing. I hope that my book will make them do just that.
What's that old saying, 'The truth will set you free!' Well it's time the people of Australia learnt about the weak-kneed approach this government and ASIC has to the wrongdoers. Band aid solutions to the problems that are inherent in the financial sector are not the answer.
Public perception is everything. For those in the financial sector, there's a STORM coming your way now. Let's see how you cope with it?
Every politician, media outlet, bank CEO, ASIC, social media platform, (this forum ) etc will be sent a copy.
Yes, this is 'payback' time. If I can cause the same misery to the financial sector, and the people that control this area, that they have caused to the people that placed their trust in Storm , I will die a happy man.
“Bitter and twisted? You betcha!” Since we invested using Storm, we have been lied to and deceived not only be Storm but by everyone else as well. If I had a sword, I would have dispatched a few of these miscreants long before now. Since I do not, a pen will have to suffice. I’m told it’s mightier than the sword anyway.
Not really...I think the discussion has proceeded in a calm and reasonable manner so far. There’s no reason it can’t continue calmly and reasonably as long as nobody resorts to the ranting and raving and name-calling that has marred this thread in the past.Lots of heat in this discussion isn't there ?
I believe the average Joe who invested through Storm could have made a far better judgment call if they’d followed the common sense guidelines I outlined in my previous post. And I believe it was well within the ability of every one of them to do so.Bunyip you dissected my overall support for Franks tenacity in much detail. As I read it you believe that "the average Joe" really should be able to make a better judgment call on Financial advisors if they simply use their own judgement.
I make no excuses for any bank. I simply attempt to speak truthfully in saying that the banks were your financiers, not your financial advisers, and are therefore not the primary cause of what happened to Storm investors.You also (I think) have some sort of excuse for CBA in the sense that the Storm investors only went after the bank because they had deeper pockets than the principals of Storm.
I made no claim that there are ‘only a few bad apples’ in the financial planning industry. On the contrary, I’ve spoken out in more than one post against the commission salesmen who masquerade as financial planners, but in reality are simply glorified salesmen who have a vested interest in putting you into the investment products that pay them the highest commissions.I disagree with a basic premise of your statement - that there are only a few bad apples in the Financial planning system and that overall thousands of planners are giving people good advice. It's my view that in fact there are only a relatively few quality independent Financial Planners and that the majority of the people in the industry are glorified and reinvented Insurance salesmen.
Thank you Basilio, for your ‘clear and honest’ advice.If you want clear and honest advice Bunyip take on board the following thoughts.
The Financial planning industry in Australia is the creature of the industry and it's employees. There is no commitment to clients beyond ensuring they are clipped as ruthlessly as possible. As a consequence of that the customers are essentially overcharged at every point and if they actually obtain some financial return it is despite rather than because of these services.
Is there some sort of qualifier over this or is it really correct that someone knowing nothing can - in eight days - be legally eligible to advise people on how to invest their money???
Just can't believe that it can be so.
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