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You perhaps were not aware at the time of the existence of several stock market forums such as ASF. Had you put up the Storm 'strategy ' and explained that you were considering it as a retiree, I guarantee that within 24 hours you'd have received several responses explaining why you should walk away.Okay! Then how does one know whether what a financial adviser is telling you is in your best interests? You don’t which is why, I now firmly believe, we ‘Stormies’ should have sought a second and indeed a third opinion from other financial advisers as to the merit of Storm’s financial model and, for those that had an accountant, run it past him or her as well. Yes, it would have cost us more money and financial advice does not come cheap but with the amount of money we were investing, it would have made little difference to us. After all, if one can’t afford the small amount of money it would have cost, one shouldn’t be in investing anyway.
Hopefully your experience will at least save some others from a similar awful mistake.Often, when you consult with more than one professional you pick up some useful advice anyway in your search for the best solution to your particular needs, whatever they may be. This is commonsense after all! As it was, our failure to apply some commonsense and test Storm’s plan independently cost us all that we had in the end.
Even when dealing with tradesmen, you don’t accept the first quote submitted but obtain two or more others as well. We all know this! The fact that we ’Stormies’ never went down this path was a major failing on our part and one that is inexcusable
So my first first advice to any would-be investors out there is not to take anyone’s word for it but rather to get a second or third opinion. Someone said on this forum some time ago, “If something sounds too good to be true, it normally is!” It’s a well known maxim and one we should have been mindful of before we signed up with Storm.
I don't want to speak for Bunyip but I can't see where he ever suggested people should not invest in the share market because all share markets have a history of crashing.Bunnyip has said, “However, there’s one thing you could have known that would have shown the Storm strategy to be a high risk con scheme that completely misrepresented the facts in regard to the safety measures that were supposedly going to protect your capital from major loss.
The ‘thing’ I refer to that you could have known about was past market crashes. In particular, I refer to the 1987 crash that wiped 20% off the market overnight, 25% in one day, and 50% in a little over a month.If you’d looked at the ‘87 crash and asked yourself ‘ OK, what effect would a similar crash have on my proposed portfolio’?...you would have discovered that the result of such a crash would be catastrophic loss of your capital before the market reached the trigger points that supposedly would safeguard the bulk of your capital.
If you’d done that, and discovered the enormity of the ‘87 crash and many others before it, and then considered the very real possibility of such crashes repeating, I believe you would have made the prudent decision to walk away from Storm without even bothering to look into their SOA.”
I’m not clear on your line of thinking here? Are you suggesting that people shouldn’t invest in the share markets because all share markets have a past history of crashing? If that’s the case, the economy would fall flat on its face tomorrow because people would simply stop investing.
OK. They let you down badly here and it seems to be another area where you showed a trust that wasn't justified in the end.The trigger-points that Storm put in place (but didn’t act on) were designed for major falls in the share markets. Clearly, when the markets fell, the activation of these trigger-points would have protected us from just this type of situation. Any share values we would have lost to that point were acceptable because these trigger-points were set at conservative levels. Or at least, we thought they were! First and foremost, the trigger-points were incorporated into Storm’s plan to protect us from just the sort of losses you mention. The fact that they were not acted on led to our final demise.
You are misinterpreting or misunderstanding what I said. I meant nothing to do with the simplicity or otherwise of Storm's model. What I was saying is that - long before you ever consulted Storm - if you'd just done some simple calculations on what X% offered on term deposit or at call funds on your available capital - you'd have seen in about one minute that you could easily have generated considerably in excess of your stated desired $45,000 p.a. income.Julia has said that, “We've ad infinitum made the point that a few simple calculations would have allowed you to see that you could have just stuck the funds in the bank and still achieved your desired level of income, so no need to labour this again, especially as you now are obviously very aware of this.”
There was nothing simple about Storm’s financial model so I believe “a few simple calculations” is understating the complexity of it. Certainly, we wished now that we had stuck our money in the bank but it’s no good dwelling on what might have been.
I would agree with the comments about ASIC. They are quite muppets when it comes to protecting investors and pursuing criminals.
Frank, if you do not get any joy out of suing the banks and the Storm principals and advisers, I'd have a go at ASIC, if I were you.
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I've been a bit unwell lately and haven't been out much. I decided to go for a virtual stroll around some of the places I visit from time to time and was quite surprised to see the remake on the Commonwealth Bank Deception website and quite interested to find that they also have a twitter handle @theplaintruth1
Have to say that they are obviously attempting to gear themselves up.
Cheers
Maccka
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Bunnyip has said, “However, there’s one thing you could have known that would have shown the Storm strategy to be a high risk con scheme that completely misrepresented the facts in regard to the safety measures that were supposedly going to protect your capital from major loss.
The ‘thing’ I refer to that you could have known about was past market crashes. In particular, I refer to the 1987 crash that wiped 20% off the market overnight, 25% in one day, and 50% in a little over a month. If you’d looked at the ‘87 crash and asked yourself ‘ OK, what effect would a similar crash have on my proposed portfolio’?...you would have discovered that the result of such a crash would be catastrophic loss of your capital before the market reached the trigger points that supposedly would safeguard the bulk of your capital.
If you’d done that, and discovered the enormity of the ‘87 crash and many others before it, and then considered the very real possibility of such crashes repeating, I believe you would have made the prudent decision to walk away from Storm without even bothering to look into their SOA.”
I'm not clear on your line of thinking here? Are you suggesting that people shouldn't invest in the share markets because all share markets have a past history of crashing? If that's the case, the economy would fall flat on its face tomorrow because people would simply stop investing.
When matters are next in Court
Proceedings are being held in public so anyone interested may attend.
15 May 2012
ASIC civil penalty proceedings
Federal Court, Brisbane
Justice Reeves
Level 7, Harry Gibbs Commonwealth Law Courts Building
119 North Quay
Brisbane QLD 4000
24 May 2012
ASIC unregistered managed investment scheme proceedings
Federal Court, Brisbane
Justice Reeves
Level 7, Harry Gibbs Commonwealth Law Courts Building
119 North Quay
Brisbane QLD 4000
Source: https://storm.asic.gov.au/storm/storm.nsf/byheadline/Next Court Dates?opendocument
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