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Solly, mate,
I have arrived at the mate's "Church" on the Gold Coast having been met this afternoon by a frantic mob of believers at the Wild Scotsman in Gin Gin who travelled north in a Toyota Tarago to plead their beliefs and financial statements. The books are in an interesting state but with this earthly financial year yet to end for in excess of seven months I have persuaded the congregation to consider Casa Cassimatis as the base for a new church, The Church of the Coral Sea.
The Cassimatis mansion in Townsville was passed in this afternoon at $1.35m, a smidgeon under the SP Bookie's estimate at the Ross Island Hotel not 24 hours ago, as I faithfully recorded on this thread.
She ( The bookie ) reckons that an offer of $1.6 will garner the pile for the service of the just and the pure, and The Church of the Coral Sea.
Unfortunately due to some unfortunate entanglement with MF Global, the Church is cash flow challenged, and from my view of the books has only $1.6m to spend on this worthy cause.
As my fees are $400,000, this will leave them with only $1.2m.
I wondered if you or Lady Penelope could rustle up a lazy 4, to become 25% partners in a Church on Melton Tce., Townsville, which will be dedicated to the expungement of the taint of money, greed, capitalism and financial cataclysm from that gentle slope.
It will be an icon for believers and a warning for those who believe in ASIC, financial planners and banks.
Please let me know as soon as you can and I will contact Byrnsie. I am off to visit a member of the flock presently located adjacent to the Stockport Watchhouse who has a guaranteed cure for obesity which he hopes to market in North Queensland.
gg
"Collapses won't stop under ASIC: Ripoll
Panel tackles opt-in and intra-fund advice
An industry panel has responded to questions about ASIC's powers and impact of the FOFA reforms."
I cannot believe the attacks made here on people that have been decimated by Storm and the banks.
I have had an experience involving helping to try and pick up the pieces for people who were decimated by taking the advice of their financial planner. The end result on the back of the bad advice was financial decimation.
These people placed the same level of trust in their advisor as they did their doctor, accountant, lawyer etc only to be destroyed.
For many of these people they will never recover from what has occurred. Many people do not have the level of sophistication financially and hence sought the advice of someone they believed was qualified to manage their nest egg.
The arrogance of some people here to say oh you should have researched this. If you go to your accountant do you take his tax advice and then go and do your own research. A certain percentage with financial skills could but for most they take the advice of a trusted advisor.
Walk in someone shoes for a while before you start throwing mud.
Hi Gardie,
I see that we have someone that truly understands.
When someone is standing on a ledge waiting to jump off, some people will try and save him or her and others want to see that person fall. Anyone that wants to blame the Storm victims for what happened rather than go after the real culprits, to my mind, falls into the second category. Yet, these same "Jump!" merchants will be the first ones shouting and bawling if they go into hospital to have a leg amputated and wake up in the morning to find that the surgeons took off the good leg by mistake.
"But I thought he was a proper surgeon? I thought he was qualified?
"You mean Doctor Patel? We did too but no one bothered to check on his credentials! No one did the research!"
Individuals that blithely go through life imbued with hubris and arrogance often find that life has a few curved balls in the back cupboard that it has been saving up for them. When it happens, it will be interesting to see how they cope!
Regards
FA
This is not a simple black and white situation guys. It would be nice if people stopped beating themselves and others up over it. There are complex legal/financial/emotional and psychological matters here.
The only black and white part of this is that Stormers are under a huge amount of stress (still) and many of them are doing their level best to get themselves out of it. Some are trying to make sure that any institution that was complicit is brought to task. For those of you desperate to apportion blame you should feel quite confident that when the time comes for blame to be apportioned and restitution to be paid (if at all) the courts will recognize the part that all parties played and take that into consideration.
As for the pages and pages of he said/she said, your fault/their fault nonsense that we have witnessed in recent weeks - enough is enough. You are constantly covering the same ground and trampling it into a compacted mass of nonsense with very little basis in fact or even opinion worth reading such a repeated number of times. It's hard enough to see the truth in the muddy water without the continual stirring of the mud and muck to make it worse.
Perhaps you'd all be best to go away and cool your heels for a while. Perhaps even you might like to choose to utilize some selective ignoring of parties that you know you don't (and never will) agree with.
As it comes dangerously close to the first anniversary of the suicide of one of the Storm Financial clients extremely close to me I would dearly love to see a degree of decorum and understanding between members of this forum.
cheers
Maccka
Hi GG,
SICAG held its Annual General Meeting on 19 June 2010. Noel and Mark were re-elected. Some positions in the committee changed but the newly elected committee is very similar.
Manny is not a member so he can't be the Chairman.
Cheers
Maccka
Gee SJG1974 you must feel good ripping into Frank again.
Do you not think that he would everyday ask himself why he didnt do the things you are suggesting he did.
Were you the kid at school with the magnify glass burning ants or just the school bully ?
A lot of people have been decimated because in hindsight they were too trusting. Now people here seem to take pleasure in kicking the c--p out of them because they have superior financial knowledge.
If you cannot see that the banks in engaging in these extreme lending practices have a case to answer then you cannot see the woods for the tree's.
Gee SJG1974 you must feel good ripping into Frank again.
Do you not think that he would everyday ask himself why he didnt do the things you are suggesting he did.
Were you the kid at school with the magnify glass burning ants or just the school bully ?
A lot of people have been decimated because in hindsight they were too trusting. Now people here seem to take pleasure in kicking the c--p out of them because they have superior financial knowledge.
If you cannot see that the banks in engaging in these extreme lending practices have a case to answer then you cannot see the woods for the tree's.
Julia you've said earlier that this statement irks you. ''The main example of this is the branding of the entire financial services industry as unethical and incompetent. That is simply not correct and it is totally unfair.'' I can understand why this would upset many as you're right, it is unfair.
The problem for anyone looking for financial help for the first time is that the numbers of those in the financial industry who are unethical and incompetent are far too high. Some posters have said 'there have always been shonks in the industry' etc. and the impression that I'm getting from some is, ''this is human nature, get over it.''
Until the industry is able to clean out the shonks and sharks, by way of regular monitoring, auditing or whatever works. I feel sorry for the those in the financial industry who are genuine.
Finding out that just because an advisor is approved by ASIC and the FPA means nothing has been a shock. The incompetence shown by the government body/ASIC who are unable or unwilling to rectify the problems in the industry remains a huge problem. The FPA told me that there is nothing they could do to help even though our advisor was a member of the FPA. Now we're seeing ads promoting FPA recommended planners. No wonder so many of us are sceptical.
Knowing who to trust is still the hardest thing for the average first time seeker of financial help.
Julia you've said earlier that this statement irks you. ''The main example of this is the branding of the entire financial services industry as unethical and incompetent. That is simply not correct and it is totally unfair.'' I can understand why this would upset many as you're right, it is unfair.
The problem for anyone looking for financial help for the first time is that the numbers of those in the financial industry who are unethical and incompetent are far too high. Some posters have said 'there have always been shonks in the industry' etc. and the impression that I'm getting from some is, ''this is human nature, get over it.''
Until the industry is able to clean out the shonks and sharks, by way of regular monitoring, auditing or whatever works. I feel sorry for the those in the financial industry who are genuine.
Finding out that just because an advisor is approved by ASIC and the FPA means nothing has been a shock. The incompetence shown by the government body/ASIC who are unable or unwilling to rectify the problems in the industry remains a huge problem. The FPA told me that there is nothing they could do to help even though our advisor was a member of the FPA. Now we're seeing ads promoting FPA recommended planners. No wonder so many of us are sceptical.
Knowing who to trust is still the hardest thing for the average first time seeker of financial help.
HQ
Can you please give me a single example of an Australian industry that doesn't have shonks/ rogue operators / those who stretch the boundaries.
HQ
Can you please give me a single example of an Australian industry that doesn't have shonks/ rogue operators / those who stretch the boundaries.
How have you established this? I doubt you have any realistic basis for such a statement. You have certainly experienced one totally unethical such person but I don't see how you can extrapolate from that the conclusion that this is widespread throughout the industry.The problem for anyone looking for financial help for the first time is that the numbers of those in the financial industry who are unethical and incompetent are far too high.
Well, HQ, whoever said that was simply being pragmatic, and until you acknowledge this and as a result learn to be discerning, you'll go on and on about how unfair it all is. And you will not move on.Some posters have said 'there have always been shonks in the industry' etc. and the impression that I'm getting from some is, ''this is human nature, get over it.''
To totally weed out every crooked operator in the financial planning industry is as impossible as weeding out every corrupt cop or politician.
There's no point in adopting a panglossian approach to the world. It is what it is.
To expect that because someone belongs to some so called 'professional body' and has acquired a licence to give financial advice, they are therefore utterly and absolutely trustworthy is simply to deny reality.
This is not a criticism of you. Just a suggestion that you need to accept that the only people who absolutely have your best interests at heart are those who love you.
Human beings are by nature selfish in that they want what is best for themselves.
Some are disposed to take this to the extent of disregarding any notion of ethical behaviour. You cannot change that. You can, however, change your view of the world.
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