Garpal Gumnut
Ross Island Hotel
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The figure you chose to use in your post was 3000 or so people who would have been self funded retirees had storm not collapsed. 3000 people who, if they had the chance to meet their margin calls would have survived the market crash. I understand that you may not have thought too hard about that figure, but I personally feel that only a small fraction of those 3000 people would have actually survived the crash. Most of the comments I've seen from stormers complain that they lost everything, the banks let them borrow too much money, they couldn't afford the repayments, they lost their homes because they couldn't pay the bank what they owed. Of course this is just from the more vocal stormers, but most of the people doing the complaining didn't seem to have large piles of cash handy to meet margin calls. Most it seems, had everything riding on it. These people bet everything on the market continuing to go up and lost it all when it didn't.
My problem has always been with the people to clearly never would have survived the market crash, yet blame everyone else for allowing them to invest so much borrowed money. Of all the people signing the petition to get their hands on government handouts, I'd like to see how many had the cash set aside to meet margin calls.
Solly mate,
I did not get an invite, but being the gentleman, I was not upset.
I have offered the Bentley as a wedding car , gratis, but thus far have received no reply...
My apologies, then, for assuming you were an investor. I'm curious as to why you appear to be such a passionate advocate for Storm investors if you have no personal stake in the matter?No Julia, I haven't had any losses, was not an investor with storm, and I certainly do not need any compensation.
What I was looking for was a direct quote from the paperwork of any Storm investor which would surely have clearly stated who was responsible for communicating any margin call.In answer to your second question I'm pretty sure it was cleared up in the senate inquiry. The CBA was responsible for communicating the margin call to the client.
I'm not in a position to know that, and it's immaterial to me. I'm not a CBA shareholder. There was presumably a clear contract (well, one would hope so) between Storm, the investor, and the CBA.Julia, Can you please answer for me this simple question. Why is the CBA paying compensation to storm investors through the resolution process ?
My apologies, then, for assuming you were an investor. I'm curious as to why you appear to be such a passionate advocate for Storm investors if you have no personal stake in the matter?
What I was looking for was a direct quote from the paperwork of any Storm investor which would surely have clearly stated who was responsible for communicating any margin call.
I'm not in a position to know that, and it's immaterial to me. I'm not a CBA shareholder. There was presumably a clear contract (well, one would hope so) between Storm, the investor, and the CBA.
It's a quite different matter, though, to suggest the Australian taxpayer should compensate Stormers for their losses. Storm investors had no contract with the Australian taxpayer.
You still haven't responded to my question as to why you think this should happen.
Supreme Court orders BoQ to disclose documents in Storm case.
More to come....
Solly mate,
I did not get an invite, but being the gentleman, I was not upset.
I have offered the Bentley as a wedding car , gratis, but thus far have received no reply.
From what a newspaper I read last evening in a shabby Qantas Business Class Lounge said, there is no lack of dosh being lavished on the proceedings.
Its called the trickle down effect, so beloved of Ronnie Reagan and Maggie Thatcher.
"everyone is a winner"
gg
Thanks, specialed. Obviously we have been at cross purposes. Glad to have your clarification as above.Julia,
I have never stated the Australian Taxpayer should compensate, but rather noted the irony that they will be helping to fund the retirement of some of the investors. I do believe the CBA should be compensating storm investors, not the taxpayer, who will be because of the failure of the resolution process...
My apologies, then, for assuming you were an investor. I'm curious as to why you appear to be such a passionate advocate for Storm investors if you have no personal stake in the matter?
gg, I was wondering if you have been able to run your eye over the Worrells report yet? I haven't sighted it yet but one of my friends is perusing it tonight.
I'm also hoping that my mate 'Murph', the Emeritus Silk, has got a copy, I'd like to get his views on what sections of the Corporations Act may have had the possibility of being breached.
Murph usually has an early morning caffè latte with his raisin toast at the coffee shop by the marina and I hope to catch up with him in the AM. Although Thursday night's not a good night for him as two footy shows are aired and he is known to sip cab sauv in front of his plasma, which sometimes results in impaired judgement the following morning.
"Founder may face criminal charges"
"A long list of suspected breaches of the Corporations Act, including possible criminal charges against Storm Financial's founder, Emmanuel Cassimatis, has been sent to the corporate regulator."
More by Stuart Washington in the SMH here;
http://www.smh.com.au/business/founder-may-face-criminal-charges-20100527-whtl.html
I got nothing to do with storms or their investors but I feel a lot of these investors was deceived..some are greedy who knows but some of the stories that came out of this are pretty heart breaking stuff.
They could be greedy, they could be naive but the price they paid for it is too high and I think they need a bit of support from the government to get them back on their track...
“We can’t help everyone, but everyone can help someone.”
I wonder if people think these people have greed written over their head if that was to happen to their parents or someone they love
Thanks for your support. Seems like some people who contribute to this thread are just plain heartless. I suppose they'd blame Victorian Bushfire victims who lost everything, that it was their own fault too - for wanting to live in the country - or Tsunami survivors they should geat real - hey that's what happens if you live near a beach! And duh! all my fault I trusted a registered Financial Planner and ended up broke. It's all very well to sit back and banter about it, but unless you're living it, it's not real. It's harder than you think, to be a survivor.
Their situation is very different to Storm investors who could have saved the bulk of their net worth by converting to cash.
It's not as if the market collapsed suddenly like it did in 1987 - this time around there was plenty of time to take defensive action before the damage became catastrophic.
If your manager wouldn't take defensive action for you, then it was up to you to take control of your business by doing it yourself.
Your failure to do so when the stockmarket turned bearish is the major contributing factor to you losing your money.
Sorry, not trying to be heartless here, just realistic.
Hi Bunyip,
Your statement appears to be based on the assumption that it was actually possible for the clients to convert to cash. That in turn, appears to be based on the assumption that the banks and agencies/companies involved had enough staff to physically cope with the number of requests to convert to cash.
If that is the case, then perhaps your statement is realistic.
However what if the two assumptions are not correct?
Cheers
Maccka
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