Does a child even know the difference between Head of State, & prime minister?I know I certainly didn't at the age of dreaming of such things! : Heck, does the average adult even know?
Australia needs to grow up. Hopefully before I die, a child growing up in Australia can live the dream that they can aspire to one day being Australia's Head of State!
No! Who'd have thought it possible!Either way, you have destroyed your own argument.
In the flow of conversation, that's exactly what you said.
Either way, you have destroyed your own argument.
good on you JuliaNo! Who'd have thought it possible!
Nyden, whether President or GG mightn't mean much now - but EVEN IF it’s only symbolic – it will unquestionably mean a lot in the future if it actually happens. (imo)
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No change to the flag... No Republic... Rudd should promote Anzac day and maybe make the another terrible event that was the fall of Singapore a national holiday as well... Australia has a history, be it short...
Travel around Australia and rarely do you see a Australian flag flying...compared to many of our neighbours who are proud of their flag and history...
not much point in quoting from the 2020summit whiskersAnd include the proposition by Julian Burnside I think it was, that lying by politicans be made a criminal offense.
Australia needs to grow up. Hopefully before I die, a child growing up in Australia can live the dream that they can aspire to one day being Australia's Head of State!
And I repeat my question
what right have people who leave to vote in a referendum?
(morally if not legally )
… i wish them well in their overseas ventures.
leave our country the way it is, there is no need to change. I’m with you nyden.
expatiate, noun 1. a person who is voluntarily absent from home or country
Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council is a body of advisors to the British Sovereign.
In retirement Fraser served as Chairman of the United Nations Panel of Eminent Persons on the Role of Transnational Corporations in South Africa 1985, as Co-Chairman of the Commonwealth Group of Eminent Persons on South Africa in 1985-86, and as Chairman of the UN Secretary-General's Expert Group on African Commodity Issues in 1989-90. Fraser became president of the foreign aid group Care International in 1991, and worked with a number of other charitable organisations. In 2006, he was appointed Professorial Fellow at the Asia Pacific Centre for Military Law, and in October 2007 he presented his inaugural professorial lecture, Finding Security in Terrorism’s Shadow: The importance of the rule of law.[7]
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Fraser was made a Privy Councillor in 1976, a Companion of Honour in 1977 and a Companion of the Order of Australia in 1988. In 2000 he was awarded the Human Rights Medal. He received the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun from the Emperor of Japan in 2006.[14]…..honorary doctorates from Deakin University, Murdoch University and the University of South Carolina, and is a Professorial Fellow at the Asia Pacific Centre for Military Law at the University of Melbourne.
And I agree with you and Nyden to some extent – let’s call it “ if the wheel ain’t broke – other than the tyre is a worn out model , don’t reinvent it, just change the tyre” . i.e. “that giving the president unprecedented powers would definitely risk ‘breaking it’” (imo and I think yours)Whitlam was appointed … a Companion of the Order of Australia in 1978.[21] In 2005 He was created an honorary Grand Commander of the Order of the Star of Melanesia by the Governor General of Papua New Guinea.[22]
In 2006 both he and Malcolm Fraser were awarded the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun by the Emperor of Japan, in recognition of their role in improving relations between Japan and Australia.[23] Whitlam is an honorary Fellow of the Australian Academy of Humanities.[24]
For New South Wales premier Bob Carr is not coy about his contribution.
"A lot of big ideas - an easy way to get a republic ... simply making the governor-general the head of the state of Australia," he said.
"That resolves all the arguments about presidents and elected presidents or non-elected presidents.
Head of the Commonwealth
The London Declaration of 1949 stated that the British monarch would be a symbol of the free association of independent countries, and as such the Head of the Commonwealth. These words meant that republics could be members - they could accept the monarch as Head of the Commonwealth without being their own Head of State. Thus when Elizabeth II came to the throne in 1952 she became Head of the Commonwealth.
Today the Queen is head of state in 16 of the 53 Commonwealth member countries, all of them fully independent in which – apart from the UK – she is represented by a governor-general.
When the Queen dies or if she abdicates, her heir will not automatically become Head of the Commonwealth. It will be up to the Commonwealth heads of government to decide what they want to do about this symbolic role.
The Queen has laid considerable stress on her role as Head of the Commonwealth, and made a great contribution to the association.
Charles is Heir Apparent, equally and separately, to the thrones of sixteen sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms; he will most likely reside in and be directly involved with the United Kingdom. He will not, however, necessarily inherit the title Head of the Commonwealth.
Probably the last thing 99.999..9% of people would dream about. Let's face it, the power is with the Prime Minister and the head of state is symbolic and ceremonial.
so nioka (et al) -
is this also about our external image perhaps?
do you think that Asia / China etc would prefer to deal with a country that insists for some unknown reason (unknown to us as well probably) on holding a British apron string.
or with a country that is totally autonymous. ?
I personally think India would also smile in our direction
1. good point about the demographics changing1. Given that 9 long years have passed since then (during which time many aged pro-Monarchist voters have passed on and during which time a significant number of new young pro-Republic voters have come on line) ..
2. I wouldn't be at all suprised if the balance had actually tipped into a pro-Republic stance for VIC, NSW, ACT & NT (which collectively in 1999 would have represented 7,259,945 (62%)of issued ballots). SA voter sentiment today might also be close to the tipping point, which could make 3 states plus 2 territories.
3.The big unknown is how much support pro-Republic Rudd would have garnered from his own beloved QLD electors - with QLD being by far the most pro-Monarchist state in the last referendum. If Rudd's massive support base in QLD tripped over the Republic line in any future referendum, the preceding results table would indicate it will be game over for the Monarchist camp....
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4. On a personal note.... I was born in 1951. My mother & father took me to see the newly crowned Queen Elizabeth in her parade in Sydney in 1954 when I was only three. I don't remember it personally, but they bought lots of commemorative books and paraphernalia and always reminded me how massive the event was and how much the people loved her to bits (she was a symbol of post-war unity and hope, remember?) So I always tended to have what might be termed "fond" reflections of her and what she stood for and achieved.
Oh dear. Another another quality thread by Superfly defending all things right wing.
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