Should Australia become a Republic?

Nyden · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
nyden, ok
if you want to reword that , the by all means do so.

Re-word what? I do stand by what I said, it is nothing more than a home (which is my number 1), but that is all it is ... A country isn't an entity, that is forever sacred, & worshipful. They say home is where the heart is, my heart currently resides here, with the current ideals, values, & philosophies. I once again repeat, should these things change, my heart will no longer be here ; why does this make me a bad person?

2020hindsight · 19 April 2008

wayneL said:
Did you, when you were an expat?

I'm thinking of two words here, one begins with H, the other with J.

yep
Hiawatha Junkie once

2020hindsight · 19 April 2008

Nyden said:
Re-word what? I do stand by what I said, it is nothing more than a home (which is my number 1), but that is all it is ... A country isn't an entity, that is forever sacred, & worshipful. They say home is where the heart is, my heart currently resides here, with the current ideals, values, & philosophies. I once again repeat, should these things change, my heart will no longer be here ; why does this make me a bad person?

Well I was thinking of this ... (as already posted ) - and presumably your assumed right to stlll vote back "home" / "in your last home" whatever

nyden said:
"a country is nothing more than a place to live, & call home"

wayneL · 19 April 2008

Nyden said:
Re-word what? I do stand by what I said, it is nothing more than a home (which is my number 1), but that is all it is ... A country isn't an entity, that is forever sacred, & worshipful. They say home is where the heart is, my heart currently resides here, with the current ideals, values, & philosophies. I once again repeat, should these things change, my heart will no longer be here ; why does this make me a bad person?

It doesn't.

It makes you an independent thinker, not subject to the atrocious propaganda shoved down our neck. People have left their home country for a better life since the year dot. It is only nationalistas who view it as a heresy

To them, I repeat my question - What is a nation? What is Australia?

Nyden · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
Well I was thinking of this ... (as already posted ) - and presumably your assumed right to stlll vote back "home" / "in your last home" whatever

Yes, and in the post you just quoted of mine, I reiterated that point? So, what's yours?

Stop trying to make me out to be some kind of "un-Australian". You wouldn't happen to be a "journalist" of ACA by any chance, would you? :

2020hindsight · 19 April 2008

wayneL said:
To them, I repeat my question - What is a nation? What is Australia?

And I repeat my question
what right have people who leave to vote in a referendum?
(morally if not legally )

wayneL · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
yep

You renounced your citizenship?

I don't believe you
If so, you have less weight as a voter, by your logic.

Capital H is now what I'm thinking.

2020hindsight · 19 April 2008

Nyden said:
Yes, and in the post you just quoted of mine, I reiterated that point? So, what's yours?

Stop trying to make me out to be some kind of "un-Australian". You wouldn't happen to be a "journalist" of ACA by any chance, would you? :

nope just someone who takes offence at sloppily expressed statements that discount Australian citizenship as "comme si comme sa"

All you have to do is reword that sentence btw.

wayneL · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
And I repeat my question
what right have people who leave to vote in a referendum?
(moraly if not legaly )

That is not what you said.

2020hindsight said:
I consider my vote more meaningful than yours nyden

There was no such qualification in your comment

wayneL · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
nope just someone who takes offence at sloppily expressed statements that discount Australian citizenship as "comme si comme sa"

But you said you renounced yours.

You appear to be hoist by your own petard once more.

2020hindsight · 19 April 2008

wayneL said:
You renounced your citizenship?

I don't believe you

If so, you have less weight as a voter, by your logic.

Capital H is now what I'm thinking.

wayne
since you are coming with the snide remarks
am I allowed to say
capital G is what I'm thinking?

PS I have as much knowledge of what capital G means as I do of what capital H means

wayneL said:
But you said you renounced yours.

You appear to be hoist by your own petard once more.

no I didn't
I simply travelled abroard for some years in my youth .

wayneL said:
Did you, when you were an expat?

I'm thinking of two words here, one begins with H, the other with J.

2020 said:
yep
Hiawatha Junkie once

ahh - you thought I said I renounced my citizenship. - not so
I just agreed with "Hiawatha Junkie"

Nyden · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
And I repeat my question
what right have people who leave to vote in a referendum?
(moraly if not legaly )

Why is that your question? I never once stated leaving, & voting from afar? I stated, that should things in this country one day change (the ideals, the values ... ), to the point where I no longer loved it (the ideals, the values ... ), I would leave. Becoming a republic wouldn't make me up, & leave! I was merely stating the pointlessness of it, then you started coming at me with questions of whether or not I loved Australia enough.

I will not reword my statement, because I believe what I said, & stand by it.

It feels as if you have been attacking me for nearly an entire page, whilst I (well, I believe!) have been nothing but polite towards you, & your different views?

wayneL said:
It doesn't.

It makes you an independent thinker, not subject to the atrocious propaganda shoved down our neck. People have left their home country for a better life since the year dot. It is only nationalistas who view it as a heresy

To them, I repeat my question - What is a nation? What is Australia?

Thank you wayne

Prospector · 19 April 2008

Australia needs to grow up. Hopefully before I die, a child growing up in Australia can live the dream that they can aspire to one day being Australia's Head of State!

wayneL · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
wayne
since you are coming with the snide remarks
am I allowed to say
capital G is what I'm thinking?

No you can't, because the basis of your argument is rooted in a monumental Hypocrisy. You apply principles to others that you clearly don't apply to yourself.

Furthermore, your comments fly in the face of the principles of democracy, decency, and the Aussie fair go. It is a model completely at odds with any fair minded free country, an outrage, without being able to answer the basic tenant of what you are proposing.

Nyden · 19 April 2008

Prospector said:
Australia needs to grow up. Hopefully before I die, a child growing up in Australia can live the dream that they can aspire to one day being Australia's Head of State!

Does a child even know the difference between Head of State, & prime minister? I know I certainly didn't at the age of dreaming of such things! : Heck, does the average adult even know?

Julia · 19 April 2008

Leaving aside the personal squabbles and returning to the original question:

will becoming a Republic -
solve homelessness?
fix the joke which is supposed to be health care?
sort out the credit crunch?
make politicians truthful?
limit inflation?
offer equality of opportunity for everyone and care for those who can't care for themselves?

No?
Then I simply don't care. Not a bit.

wayneL · 19 April 2008

2020hindsight said:
Maybe you will have done the right thing and given up your citizenship by then

wayneL said:
Did you, when you were an expat?

2020hindsight said:
yep

2020hindsight said:
no I didn't
I simply travelled abroard for some years in my youth .
ahh - you thought I said I renounced my citizenship. -

In the flow of conversation, that's exactly what you said.

Either way, you have destroyed your own argument.

onemore · 19 April 2008

Julia said:
Leaving aside the personal squabbles and returning to the original question:

will becoming a Republic -
solve homelessness?
fix the joke which is supposed to be health care?
sort out the credit crunch?
make politicians truthful?
limit inflation?
offer equality of opportunity for everyone and care for those who can't care for themselves?

No?
Then I simply don't care. Not a bit.

DITTO

Garpal Gumnut · 19 April 2008

Julia said:
Leaving aside the personal squabbles and returning to the original question:

will becoming a Republic -
solve homelessness?
fix the joke which is supposed to be health care?
sort out the credit crunch?
make politicians truthful?
limit inflation?
offer equality of opportunity for everyone and care for those who can't care for themselves?

No?
Then I simply don't care. Not a bit.

Julia I seriously believe that being a republic would help gel Australia together more.

There are so many divisions as you point out that a focus on moving forward as an independent nation with our own elected president might motivate a better esprit de corps, etc etc.

Sorry I'm not good on this sort of stuff but you know what I mean.

Not having a King in the future who was once fixated on his mistresses tampons, and electing a popular head may keep prevaricators such as the Dear Leader Lu Kewen and his elites more focussed on what everone knows are the problems with the country.

gg

Whiskers · 19 April 2008

Julia said:
Leaving aside the personal squabbles and returning to the original question:

Yeah, didn't this thread build up a decent head of steam! :

will becoming a Republic -

make politicians truthful?

If I had my way it would. It could provide an opportunity for people to insist that something be put into law or even a new constitution.

Then, probably many of the other problems would not be so significant.

Whiskers said:
I'm with Garpal Gumnut. Unless we have a voter elected president, with real power, we will be no better off.

And include the proposition by Julian Burnside I think it was, that lying by politicans be made a criminal offense.

Should Australia become a Republic?