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Should Australia abandon the Refugee Convention?

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When Barnaby Joyce suggested that Australia should ship those on board the Oceanic Viking back to Sri Lanka, Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith said "In advance of a proper assessment of their claims, that in my view would be in breach of our international obligations and in breach of the refugee convention"

While I am not suggesting that Barnaby Joyce is necessarily right or that Australia shouldn't provide refuge to asylum seekers, should we not consider abandoning the refugee convention as it seems to restrict our sovereignty (so long as we adhere to it) and prevents us acting in what may be the best interests of Australia.

I believe the convention was set up in the 50s (1951?) and was initially aimed at helping refugees displaced by the 2nd World War. But these are very different times.

I am not just talking about so called illegal asylum seekers but even in relation to genuine asylum seekers we need to be in complete control of our intake. As I understand it, if a refugee can make it on to Australian territory or in to Australian Territorial waters and is genuinely assessed as a refugee, then we are obliged to settle that person. But, using Afghanistan as an example, I would suggest that probably every Afghan person would genuinely qualify as a refugee because of the situation there. Ditto for Iraq and perhaps soon Pakistan. It is fairly clear that people smugglers are very aware of our obligations in regards to the convention and are exploiting it to their own ends. They, in effect, are determining our immigration policy, because our hands are tied.

The arguments that only a trickle make it here compared to Europe doesn't hold water in my opinion. From most accounts, it has already gone too far in some countries of Europe and using a policy that clearly has failed in these countries as the standard we should meet is nonsensical. Trickles can quickly become a flood, if Australian regulations can be seen to be exploited with ease.

I would suggest that we withdraw from the convention but, as a measure of good will, commit to increasing our refugee intake by say 20% or 30%, provided they are brought here under our terms. It would certainly be cheaper to take in 30% more refugees in a regulated way than the current method that sees resources being wasted looking for unseaworthy vessels that either accidentally or deliberately got into trouble, or resources such as the Oceanic Viking being held hostage for weeks on end.
 
We'd be setting a dangerous precident if we start deciding to withdraw from international conventions - especially considering that we are one of the few nations in the world right now effectively fighting two wars.

Any Afghan would still need to satisfy the requirements for refugee status, which for Australia are anything but an open door policy.

For all the panic about hordes of people coming by boat, I believe the majority of entries into Australia by people granted refugee status are done so legally, not via the human trashbag traffickers.
 
Should Australia abandon the Refugee Convention?

In short - Yes.

Anythng to weaken global agreements which weaken individual country sovereignty, is fine by me.
 
Anything with United Nations in front of it .. needs to be carefully examined.
Just look at what these muppets are trying to do in Copenhagen next month,bleed us dry.
 
I will go along with Goethe "Distrust those in whom the desire to punish is strong"
 
these guys claim to be persecuted if they return to their countries.


imho do a test sample of a say 10, fly them back and pay for training in a school or college for 5 years... give them a good start. i disagree people should be separated from or displaced from regional ethnic communities and countries.


then if they have any problems after 5 years, are totally persecuted and hung on cross and left to die, then i think the government may want to think about a another solution, maybe a 10 year study option?


imho paying for their return fare, and supporting them in their communities amongst their families is a far better way to address the problem

i also agree with paying countries to intercept refugees heading to australia, and paying a good bounty for them will mean its an incentive to capture these guys and get them processed as it will help fund the luxury resorts they are put into while the UN tags and bags them. its a fantastic employment incentive for indonesia and the more bounty hunters out there the better for asia.

i think the viking should be allowed to do what it does, and get out there and serve the australian interests in the territorial waters. each day the indonesians hold it up they should be billed for it.

would it be possible to get john howard to advise on immigration policy again? maybe we need to look at dunking them...???
 

Mofra, I honestly haven't thought about what sanctions could be placed on our country for withdrawing from international conventions, would you care to enlighten me on the subject?

I'm assuming that the WTO could impose trade bans on us if our actions are very serious, or at the very least, discrediting us in the face of other countries...?

-Edwin
 
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I'm assuming that the WTO could impose trade bans on us if our actions are very serious, or at the very least, discrediting us in the face of other countries...?

-Edwin

As side effect we could grow all our produce including garlic, potatoes and oranges.
 

Good post Mofra, I agree
 
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