Short and medium term impacts of Australian bushfires

[Logique]

C/- Steve Hunter and the Saltbush Club.
It's a good thing they weren't in there in winter with cool mosaic pattern reduction burns - as this would have destroyed the ecology and caused irritating smoke.. unlike now

 

[rederob]

C/- Steve Hunter and the Saltbush Club.
It's a good thing they weren't in there in winter with cool mosaic pattern reduction burns - as this would have destroyed the ecology and caused irritating smoke.. unlike now

Many people died in those bushfires and you somehow think it is funny?
Thousands have lost homes and valuable belongings and property and are deeply traumatised.
Livestock losses and burnt pastures will mean that many farmers will go broke if the drought had not already got them there.
Native wildlife has been decimated.
Rainforests habitats that have never seen fire for eons have burned.
By sitting on the climate change fence for many decades we have allowed nature to respond in a way we have no answer to. Moreover, this is the first of many years that will see cataclysmic fires across numerous States and they are only going to get more severe.
The better cartoon would be the one with firefighters in front of your burnt shell of a home with the caption "you're seriously trying to tell us that you never saw it coming?"

 

[Jack Aubrey]

C/- Steve Hunter and the Saltbush Club.
It's a good thing they weren't in there in winter with cool mosaic pattern reduction burns - as this would have destroyed the ecology and caused irritating smoke.. unlike now
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The reality is that they WERE there - along with the few remaining National Parks fire management staff - to do just that. Regrettably, in the last three years, the unseasonably dry, windy conditions did not permit any type of control over the extent of burning that was planned - AND WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY EVERY PARKS MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY IN AUSTRALIA.

Blaming the people who have been on front-line of trying to prevent this disaster - or deflecting blame onto conservationists - is the very last thing we need.

These conditions were predicted and the measures needed to deal with them, including controlled hazard reduction and better fire-fighting resources, were advised to ALL levels of government. One particular side of politics has tried to minimise the perception of threat by belittling and ignoring experts, alleging conspiracy and diverting resources away from the agencies that could respond.

 

[Logique]

"..One particular side of politics has tried to minimise the perception of threat by belittling and ignoring experts.." Just list them Jack.

Hint: ABC TV, ABC radio (except the regional stations, who know better), Channel 10 incl. The Project, The Guardian, The Age, the SMH..

Apparently it's all down to Climate Change. ..look over there!

 

[Jack Aubrey]

"..One particular side of politics has tried to minimise the perception of threat by belittling and ignoring experts.." Just list them Jack.

Hint: ABC TV, ABC radio (except the regional stations, who know better), Channel 10 incl. The Project, The Guardian, The Age, the SMH..

Apparently it's all down to Climate Change. ..look over there!

Classic shoot the messenger response, Logique.

I'll stick with CSIRO, BOM, Australian Academy of Science, AIMS, the US Academy of Science, NASA, NOAA and the UNIPCC - in fact EVERY national and international scientific body on the planet.

A view that relies on every scientific (and economic) institution being part of a global conspiracy is not skepticism, it is either outright wilful ignorance or denial. The Murdoch media and politicians owned by fossil fuel interests need to be brought account.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

The panic about "stranded assets" seems to be reaching the central banks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...e-green-swan-risks-of-climate-change/11885176

This is NOT a good scenario at all although at least it offers a path to an orderly exit.

 

[sptrawler]

The panic about "stranded assets" seems to be reaching the central banks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...e-green-swan-risks-of-climate-change/11885176

This is NOT a good scenario at all although at least it offers a path to an orderly exit.

Yes we discussed this years ago in the power generation thread, it is a big issue and i would think the private generators are hoping a buy out plan comes to fruition. Currently the Government is making it the owner of the assets problem, with legislation, but the companies aren't liking it.
But I can see it could very quickly become another NBN, and the taxpayer has to pay the private operator's, to replace their equipment for them.

 

[Smurf1976]

Cement production accounts for around 7% of total global industrial energyuse and about 7% of global emissions. Elsewhere 5% of Global emissions is mentioned.

It depends how it's calculated.

Emissions from making cement only?

Or include the emissions from the rather large amount of energy which goes into making cement as well as the emissions from the cement itself?

As an example for which I have the figures, cement production is the second largest energy user in Tasmania, it's the largest single user of non-electrical energy in that state, and accounts for about 5.5% of all energy used in Tas.

I don't have figures for anywhere else but point is that cement production uses a lot of energy, which is almost always supplied by fossil fuels, in addition to the emissions from the cement itself.