Shingles

Julia · 9 April 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
That is all very well to say, but in the real world people don't say, "oh, let us get a sample and then we will hop in the cot"

In my world there is little time to make these complex decisions.

I have read about a bloke called Okham, who had a rubric that said simplify.

There was also a bloke called Flynn of whom I am a great fan.

So how do you know?

gg

In short, gg, you don't. It's that simple.
Let's not confuse shingles with genital herpes. They are different viruses.

By far the most prevalent is genital herpes which can be Type 1 or Type 2.
Type 1 is that which we often see on the face, typically around the mouth and nose. Type 2 more commonly affects the genital area.

There is a commonly held belief that transmission of genital herpes can only occur when the blisters are fully formed. This is absolutely incorrect.
In between eruptions, the virus (which is dormant in the system always once contracted) continues to shed parts of the cell and the virus can be very ably transmitted between sexual partners though there is no apparent outbreak of the disease.

So if you want to be sure you're not engaging in sex with an infected partner there is no way to know other than laboratory testing.

And, as I think Green pointed out, oral sex with a partner who is infected with Type 1 Herpes can result in this variety of the virus infecting the genital area. Once you have it, you have it for life. Outbreaks can be minimised with medication.

Because of the widespread ignorance of the fact that genital herpes can be transmitted in its latent phase, the disease has spread exponentially.
Anyone who does have this virus should without question inform potential sexual partners so that they can choose whether or not to engage in sex.

Tech/A: apologies if your thread is being hijacked.

MrBurns · 9 April 2009

My father had it, stress is the cause, 100%

Do whatever you have to do to get rid of it.

You have support here

Green08 · 9 April 2009

A more natural way of relieving the discomfort maybe to use aromatherapy.

Cold compress (heat will aggravate it), vaporisers and diffusers with a mixture of oils - bergamot is used extensively for its antispetic properties.

As any fluid from the blister is infectious, may cause an open area of skin to become infected make sure hands are well washed after touching the area. Perhaps a soft dry gauze bandage with micropore tape as a cover will help you rest at night.

Wysiwyg · 9 April 2009

Green08 said:
A more natural way of relieving the discomfort maybe to use aromatherapy.

Cold compress (heat will aggrivate it), vaporisers and diffusers with a mixture of oils - bergamot is used extensively for its antispetic properties.

As any fluid from the blister is infectious, may cause an open area of skin to become infected make sure hands are well washed after touching the area. Perhaps a soft dry gauze bandage with micropore tape as a cover will help you rest at night.

Gee Green08, the poor bloke will have full blown AIDS before the night is over.

Green08 · 9 April 2009

I just hope Tech/a has a restful night's sleep do his healing the world of good.

jackson8 · 9 April 2009

sam76 said:
http://webferret.search.com/click?wf,what+are+shingles,2,www.shingles.me.uk%2F,,entireweb

"Shingles is actually a reactivation of the herpes zoster virus"

i knew it sounded like an std!

just to clear up about chicken pox

Chickenpox is extremely contagious, and can be spread by direct contact, droplet transmission, and airborne transmission. Even those with mild illness after the vaccine may be contagious.

Once you catch chickenpox, the virus usually remains in your body for your lifetime, kept in check by the immune system. About 1 in 10 adults will experience shingles when the virus re-emerges during a period of stress.

Prevention
Because chickenpox is airborne and very contagious before the rash appears, it is difficult to avoid. It is possible to catch chickenpox from someone on a different aisle in the supermarket, who doesnt even know they have chickenpox!

and the link
http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Chickenpox/overview/adam20?fdid=adam_964e3dcd20b84e19e6e889295a204224&section=Summary

TraderPaul · 10 April 2009

Hi folks,

For those readers, who would like to know a little more about shingles,
just take a look at the file, attached below .....

..... and take it from somebody, who has suffered with shingles in the past,
the simple treatment detailed in the file below, does work ... !~!

happy easter

paul

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tech/a · 10 April 2009

TraderPaul said:
Hi folks,

For those readers, who would like to know a little more about shingles,
just take a look at the file, attached below .....

..... and take it from somebody, who has suffered with shingles in the past,
the simple treatment detailed in the file below, does work ... !~!

happy easter

paul

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Thanks Paul very good read.
Will get into Apple Cider Vinegar

sails · 10 April 2009

tech/a said:
Thanks Paul very good read.
Will get into Apple Cider Vinegar

Those pictures in Paul's ebook look very nasty - certainly wish you a speedy recovery, Tech. I guess all of us who had chicken pox as kids are sitting ducks for this to strike...

Wondering if Olive Leaf extract would help - I think it helps the immune system along. We use it here for colds, etc and it does seem to help.

Prospector · 10 April 2009

Hey Tech, when you said you were having medication, I thought you had received the immuno drug - gamma globulin. Must be given within 48 hours of onset though. Do you have a PH clinic - there is one on The Parade at Norwood. Supposed to limit the infection.

tech/a · 10 April 2009

No "P" only the tablets which were about 48 hrs in.

Today not so dandy!
But the rash is nothing like the guys in the Pics on Paul's Links.

Prospector · 10 April 2009

The PDF was really interesting Paul, but sometimes when you get a list of so many remedies, it makes you think that nothing actually works - otherwise there would just be 'the one'. Maybe TechA can try them all and let us know if any do work - by the time you have worked your way through the list the attack should be all over!

The Docs are a bit antsy giving the gamma globulin to 'healthy' people - they didnt give Mr P it either, even though he was within the 48 hours period. Doc told him he seemed to be coping well with it - hmm, two days later and it was not good for him.

All the best TA!

kincella · 10 April 2009

some of the cures can create a rash....I tried tee tree oil..worked fine for a week...but the rash from the tee tree oil was far worse than the first rash..I was trying to cure

tech/a · 10 April 2009

Mental note.

T Tree oil out!

sinner · 10 April 2009

Hi tech,

One of my other hobbies is ethnobotany. To that end I have done a lot of research on medicinal plants and grow many myself.

Melissa officinalis (Lemon balm) is a common ornamental and herb garden plant that has strong antiviral activity. It might even be a weed in Adelaide.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8390134
Studies were carried out on the virucidal and antiviral effects of Melissa officinalis L. extracts (M1, M3, M3 and M4) with respect to Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1). Virucidal effect was registered within 3 and 6 hours of treatment using M4 administered in MTC. The remaining extracts inactivate the virus at the 12th and 24th hour. No significant values of inhibiting activity of M1, M2, and M3 on the same virus in vitro or in vivo were demonstrated. The presence of caffeic, rosmarinic and ferulic acids was demonstrated by thin-layer chromatography.

Admittedly, this is simplex not zoster but I did not want to make you feel like my opinion was based on anything but hard science.

My guess is a topical application will do wonders. Lemon balm is one of the few reliable treatments for simplex despite the "genius" of modern medicine.

Try it out, not like it can't be used in conjunction with whatever the doc gave you. Easy to get, you can even grow it yourself and rub it fresh on the affected areas.

From
http://www.lemonbalmcream.com/medicinal_uses.html

In studies, lemon balm has been shown to have polyphenols. The polyphenols give lemon balm fantastic anti-viral actions. In particular, they help to combat and heal cold sores due to the herpes simples virus (HSV). Applied to the affected area, lemon balm helps heal cold the sores in about 3-5 days. It also helps double the time between outbreaks.

Lemon balm that is used on herpes cold sores is usually found in either an oil or an ointment. The leaves of the plant are steeped in a carrier oil (such as almond, apricot, or olive) for 4-6 weeks. The oil absorbs the medicinal actions of the lemon balm. It is then strained and either used as lemon balm oil or ointment. It is a popular herbal ointment for herpes.

Lemon balm is also useful on chicken pox and shingles. Both chicken pox and shingles are the same virus as herpes. Used topically, lemon balm will help heal the sores of chicken pox and shingles much quicker than on their own.

A bit new-agey but accurate nonetheless.

agathos · 10 April 2009

Hi there,

I use to be a registered nurse.
If Chicken is the mother of pain, Shingles can be the father of pain.

That said, shingles virus attack the path of the peripheral nerves.
Sometimes, it's on the waist line (that's why the Chinese say when one has shingles, one has "snake")

My friend, a single lady in her late 30s, also don't have money $$$ issues, not married, happily working for our multinational corporation

She got shingles too
It first presents with little bubbles with "water" content , akin to Chicken Pox
She went to the GP and was prescribed antiviral tablet.

I use to take Zovirex for Chicken Pox (the same virus family as shingles).

She showed me her ex shingles marks 3 weeks later. All the bubbles and blisters has dried up, the pain totally gone. Everything ok.

No worries mate. The pain will go away soon and you will be back on your feet in a niffy!

Cheers.......agathos.

Green08 · 10 April 2009

some of the cures can create a rash....I tried tee tree oil..worked fine for a week...but the rash from the tee tree oil was far worse than the first rash..I was trying to cure

Never use any aromatherapy oil 'neat' - pure. It must be diluted in a carry oil before being applied to the skin. Only use oil ranges designed for the skin not the cheap ones in the detergent isle! You get what you pay for!

joeyr46 · 10 April 2009

tech/a said:
Thanks Paul very good read.
Will get into Apple Cider Vinegar

Yescured my son when he was about eleven never had it again (23 years) but he no longer has vinegar on his chips

Julia · 10 April 2009

Awful lot of potential 'cures' here, Tech. How will you know that one won't interact negatively with another if you use them all?
And how would you know what worked, if anything?
By the time you could reasonably expect some result from any or all of them, the disease will be on its way out anyway.

Possibly a bit like that old saying about a cold: Treat a cold and it will be gone in a week. Don't treat it and it will be gone in seven days.

sinner · 10 April 2009

Julia, Herpes zoster is not a common cold and such a blasÃ© attitude towards it can result in trouble. Contraindications between medications should always be examined before beginning their use, but herbs like lemonbalm are extremely common, tested over millenia and are not contraindicated.

A quote from wikipedia:

Varicella zoster virus can become latent in the nerve cell bodies and less frequently in non-neuronal satellite cells of dorsal root, cranial nerve or autonomic ganglion,[1] without causing any symptoms.[2] In an immunocompromised individual, perhaps years or decades after a chickenpox infection, the virus may break out of nerve cell bodies and travel down nerve axons to cause viral infection of the skin in the region of the nerve. The virus may spread from one or more ganglia along nerves of an affected segment and infect the corresponding dermatome (an area of skin supplied by one spinal nerve) causing a painful rash.[3][4] Although the rash usually heals within two to four weeks, some sufferers experience residual nerve pain for months or years, a condition called postherpetic neuralgia. Exactly how the virus remains latent in the body, and subsequently re-activates is not understood.[1]

If you try one prescribed medication and one herbal medication and something works, who cares which it was? I would rather be rid of it than risk neuralgia because I waited "a week or seven days" to act.

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