Sexual harrassment

[basilio]

Rumpy I'm not sure if you actually read the article in total but I think you have very tenaciously missed the point.
Casey Edwards was pretty clear. Most tacky harrassment type behaviours are usually initiated by the more powerful person. If one imagined that the person you were going to "cop-a'feel"with was the CEO who could have you fired and then destroy your chance of working in the industry again -- you would have to be suicidally drunk to go for it.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy I'm not sure if you actually read the article in total but I think you have very tenaciously missed the point.
Casey Edwards was pretty clear. Most tacky harrassment type behaviours are usually initiated by the more powerful person. If one imagined that the person you were going to "cop-a'feel"with was the CEO who could have you fired and then destroy your chance of working in the industry again -- you would have to be suicidally drunk to go for it.

Bas I did read it and I thought it was totally hypothetical. She's right in principle but I was just saying that when people get drunk, rational thought goes out the window, for the simple reason that perps know they are not groping the CEO so that type of instruction doesn't work. It's just the same as saying to a criminal "stop and think what you are doing or you will land up in gaol". If every crim did that we wouldn't need gaols , but they don't so we do .

 

[wayneL]

I often get offered the fluffy chequebook as payment bas.

What should I do?

 

[basilio]

I often get offered the fluffy chequebook as payment bas.

What should I do?

Follow your conscience mate. Just ask Mrs L - she'll set you straight.

And clearly you must be an absolute STUD to be favoured by so many proposals. Perhaps you need to reconsider your career ? Or just branch out ?

 

[basilio]

I see you point now Rumpy. Yes when you drunk and stupid you are aware enough to know your NOT cracking onto the CEO but some lowly office bunny (who you confidently believe really has the hots for you!! Really!!) In those circumstances one can only pray that said office bunny is either too scared to bleat or somehow thinks the attention really is special.

However Casey Edwards was trying to address the "anguished" question of how one might decide what could be objectively seen as inappropriate behaviour at an office party. I believe her answer was elegantly simple - would you feel confident about making the comments or taking the action to a CEO who could have you said and destroy your career ?

 

[SirRumpole]

I see you point now Rumpy. Yes when you drunk and stupid you are aware enough to know your NOT cracking onto the CEO but some lowly office bunny (who you confidently believe really has the hots for you!! Really!!) In those circumstances one can only pray that said office bunny is either too scared to bleat or somehow thinks the attention really is special.

However Casey Edwards was trying to address the "anguished" question of how one might decide what could be objectively seen as inappropriate behaviour at an office party. I believe her answer was elegantly simple - would you feel confident about making the comments or taking the action to a CEO who could have you said and destroy your career ?

You are inferring that there is something wrong with trying it on with co-workers ?

Well geez mate that's how the human race reproduces. How many co-workers in your office ended up getting hitched ? Quite a few in mine. The real question is taking NO for an answer, which should be part of our inclusive education system from the word go. Girls should be taught "it's OK to say No" (pardon the blatant plagarism from the SSM debate) and boys should be taught to accept it without further argument.

 

[basilio]

You are inferring that there is something wrong with trying it on with co-workers ?

Well geez mate that's how the human race reproduces. How many co-workers in your office ended up getting hitched ? Quite a few in mine. The real question is taking NO for an answer, which should be part of our inclusive education system from the word go. Girls should be taught "it's OK to say No" (pardon the blatant plagarism from the SSM debate) and boys should be taught to accept it without further argument.

Totally agree. I suppose the question is separating flirting, banter and fun from harrasment or using power to get ones way.
No one ever gets it "right" all the time. Misunderstandings, clumsy attempts to be friendly, people feeling particularly vulnerable for a range of reasons, people who are prickly and take offense when none is intended.
And of course the very old chestnut. One party is quite keen for a drunken fumble and the other is half there and sort of hopes it is gong to lead somewhere - but it doesn't. Could be a lot buyers remorse in the morning.

 

[wayneL]

Follow your conscience mate. Just ask Mrs L - she'll set you straight.

And clearly you must be an absolute STUD to be favoured by so many proposals. Perhaps you need to reconsider your career ? Or just branch out ?

You missed the point bas. Should such proposals be considered harrassment?

As to your other points:

*the answer is always no. Apart from betrayal of Mrs L, just bad, bad business.... and to be honest, it would be hard to top Mrs L anyway

*such proposals are, I'm sure, purely mercantile in nature - unless late middle aged, profane, hairy, smelly and slightly overweight is considered sexy these days...

*as a career change to gigoloery would most likely be a dismal failure, I'll stick to farriery and dabbling in finance, thanks.

But back to the point, should I report these women for sexual harrassment?

 

[SirRumpole]

But back to the point, should I report these women for sexual harrassment?

I think you should if you say no and they persist and they have some authority over you. That's the point, it's about power and the abuse thereof.

 

[basilio]

I think you should if you say no and they persist and they have some authority over you. That's the point, it's about power and the abuse thereof.

Right answer. Fullmarks !!

 

[IFocus]

You missed the point bas. Should such proposals be considered harrassment?

As to your other points:

*the answer is always no. Apart from betrayal of Mrs L, just bad, bad business.... and to be honest, it would be hard to top Mrs L anyway

*such proposals are, I'm sure, purely mercantile in nature - unless late middle aged, profane, hairy, smelly and slightly overweight is considered sexy these days...

*as a career change to gigoloery would most likely be a dismal failure, I'll stick to farriery and dabbling in finance, thanks.

But back to the point, should I report these women for sexual harrassment?

Who holds the power I doubt its the women in such situations unless of course you fear being over powered psychically if that's the case I am on your side

 

[wayneL]

They could sack me, and bag me out on social media, damaging my business.

Likewise the Weinstein ladies... could've just said F off.

Leftists love to trivialise the parallel concerns of white males... farkin sexists.

 

[basilio]

Likewise the Weinstein ladies... could've just said F off.

And have you actually read any of the accounts of the 100 odd women who so far have put their hand up to say Weistein harrassed/assaulted/raped them ?
For what it's worth a number did just say f.... off. They then decided that if Weinsten was the price of being an actress they wouldn't be in the industry. Others weasled their way out

This guy is just a ruthless, sociopathetic power monger.

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How long does one have, to read all the allegations made agaianst Harvey Weinsten ? These are only the first few. Totally toxic. And in no way just a bit of harrassment.

The Weinstein allegations
A list of the accusations made against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, who has denied many of the allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/film/ng-interactive/2017/oct/13/the-weinstein-allegations

 

[greggles]

They sent Rolf Harris to gaol for similar, but in my view lesser offences, so Weinstein may be for it. How the US jurisdiction treats such allegations may be different to the UK courts.

There must have been another ten people who have had accusations leveled against them since I posted last.

Charlie Rose
Jeffrey Tambor
Oliver Stone
Al Franken
Bill Clinton
John Travolta
John Jarratt

These are just the ones I can recall off the top of my head in the last week or so. Feels like a bit of a feminist lynch mob at the moment. Who will be next?

 

[wayneL]

And have you actually read any of the accounts of the 100 odd women who so far have put their hand up to say Weistein harrassed/assaulted/raped them ?
For what it's worth a number did just say f.... off. They then decided that if Weinsten was the price of being an actress they wouldn't be in the industry. Others weasled their way out

This guy is just a ruthless, sociopathetic power monger.

_____________________________________________________________________
How long does one have, to read all the allegations made agaianst Harvey Weinsten ? These are only the first few. Totally toxic. And in no way just a bit of harrassment.

The Weinstein allegations
A list of the accusations made against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, who has denied many of the allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/film/ng-interactive/2017/oct/13/the-weinstein-allegations

In addtion to Sexist, you're just being Judaphobic.

 

[PZ99]

There must have been another ten people who have had accusations leveled against them since I posted last.

Charlie Rose
Jeffrey Tambor
Oliver Stone
Al Franken
Bill Clinton
John Travolta
John Jarratt

These are just the ones I can recall off the top of my head in the last week or so. Feels like a bit of a feminist lynch mob at the moment. Who will be next?

The more names are added to that list the greater the chance of catching out some vexatious complaints I reckon. Stand by for the sane-army of counter sewerage if it happens

 

[IFocus]

Leftists love to trivialise the parallel concerns of white males... farkin sexists.

White males are just getting smashed every day its terrible, I am a Protestant white male no hope of a fair go...........

 

[luutzu]

White males are just getting smashed every day its terrible, I am a Protestant white male no hope of a fair go...........

Haven't heard if any of these recent accused are being questioned by the authority.

If males from any other ethnicity or religion, there'll be war declared and the cops will be sent out to call them all in and Trump would've call them animals sent all of them off somewhere.

Poor White males, always being discriminated and persecuted against.

 

[Tisme]

I think you should if you say no and they persist and they have some authority over you. That's the point, it's about power and the abuse thereof.

Had a friend who had office two women flirting, talking coarse etc. All three in the finance business and professionals. He got a bit bored with the constant banter and pulled out of the gang, wherein the two women laid a complaint of sexual harassment against him.

He was gone for all money, until I suggested it was cheaper to join the union than employ a lawyer. So he did and the upshot was the women got the flick, he kept his seat.

 

[SirRumpole]

Had a friend who had office two women flirting, talking coarse etc. All three in the finance business and professionals. He got a bit bored with the constant banter and pulled out of the gang, wherein the two women laid a complaint of sexual harassment against him.

He was gone for all money, until I suggested it was cheaper to join the union than employ a lawyer. So he did and the upshot was the women got the flick, he kept his seat.

You do have to wonder how many complaints are vexatious. Get a few of your friends to make up a story and you can ruin someones life. I wonder where it will all end.