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The article is actually very poorly written ( by a cadet ). The part that had me in stitches was the reference "bartender of more than 7 years" and university student. As though 7 years somehow legitimized experience and university student to denote whatever that is supposed to denote about whatever it takes more than 7 years at Uni to accomplish. Both completely irrelevant to the article which was just click bait from the start.
 
Big story in The Age of a young girl who was "wooed" on Snap Chat over 5 days and ended up being raped in a train station toilet.
But there won'
But there won.t be any charges because of insufficient evidence.. Snap Chat is great like that..
Very clever , very effective, very dangerous.

Grace says she was told by forensic staff who performed the rape kit examination on Jamie at the Monash Children’s Hospital that “the prevalence and regularity which they’re doing rape kits [after such incidents] is startling, growing in number, and is scary”.

How Jamie went ‘from Snapchat hello to rape in five days’

A mother is demanding changes to Victoria’s consent laws after her 17-year-old daughter was allegedly raped several times by a stranger she got to know just five days earlier on Snapchat.
www.theage.com.au
 
Yes, one wonders how you enact laws to stop this, from your article:
For 17-year-old schoolgirl Jamie, Melbourne’s long second lockdown took a toll — she was cut off from friends, having recently started at a new school.
At one point Grace walked past her daughter’s bedroom and noticed she had put lipstick on, “I was like, I’m just going to leave this, I’m not sure I want to know. I’m just going to walk away – perhaps I shouldn’t have.”

Jamie says the boy began to pester her for nude photos, which she declined. “He just kept asking and asking, he wore me down; he wasn’t going away no matter how many times I said ‘no’,” she said.

She relented and sent him suggestive (but not nude) photographs and, also after incessant requests, told him where she lived.

“He was like, you would do this if you loved me, you would meet me if you loved me. I was like, stupid me thinking someone is paying attention to me, someone actually likes me.”

When the youth arrived at an eastern suburbs platform, Jamie realised he was much older than she had been led to believe. Within five minutes, he guided Jamie into a toilet cubicle, stood between Jamie and the door and allegedly raped her multiple times as she remained “terrified” and frozen.

As a parent of two girls, I would feel I had failed.
Unless the pendulum swings back the other way, these instances are going to increase, because the new World is kids now know best and should be allowed to explore without parental interference. The internet facilitates that.
Just another example, of the way the world is gathering speed, down the S bend IMO.
She wasn't wooed, she didn't ask her parents or anybody else for their input, she used her own initiative.
What do you suggest should be done @basilio
Just my opinion, but while we empower children and destroy respect for establishment and social structures, this sort of behaviour will flourish.
It will take a long, long time for a new set of moral decency standards to be moulded, when the old established ones are being torn down.
The interesting part will be, if the new norm when it is established, is better than the old norm.
 
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The article does discuss this. The devastating facts are that there are people who have worked out how to use Snap Chat (no retained evidence) and clever, ruthless psychology to rape girls at will.

This instance is coming to light now because the mother decided to stand up and fight. The police decided that in the circumstances there was no way they could make a charge stick. That reality is what has driven the perp and his friends to use this modus operandi relentlessly. Basically no risk sex. That is why I quoted the observation from the forensic staff at Monash Childrens hospital.

This is an extreme example of what has happened.
 
It isn't going to get better, it is going to get worse, the media portray the perpetrator as the victim and the victim just a statistic.
This is used for the ammunition for change, what that change is seems to be the fluid point, that I'm not sure the media has yet to determine.
ATM to me it just appears that the articles are written to invoke emotion, to what end seems to be missing, do they want the girls to stop looking sexy? do they want the girls to not respond to advances? do they want guys with criminal intent to not try and groom girls? do they want guys to not want to have sex unless the girl says " I want to have sex"?
I know I would never have had sex with my wife, if i had waited for her to ask me. ?
So we go back to punishment, maybe as we relax social standards, we need to increase punishments, for breaches of those relaxed standards?
At the moment it just appears that any person, has a right to claim abuse with no responsibility for their own actions, i know there are areas of Perth i wouldn't walk around on my own at night because they are dangerous.
I'm not scared, just not prepared to put myself in that situation, because i apply common sense.
Same as if I went to NY, I'm not going there to cause trouble, but I would ask at the hotel reception desk if there is anything or any areas I need to avoid or be careful of.
But if i just said sod it "I should be able to go where I want I'm an Aussie I'm not looking for trouble", and walk down the Bronx get raped and bashed, is it my fault or the fault of the NY police for not being there for me?
 
So the Norwegian beach handball team has been collectively fined for wearing improper uniform.

Norway's beach handball team fined for not wearing bikini bottoms during European Championships match​

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The Norwegian players were fined for wearing "improper clothing".(
Supplied: Norwegian Beach Handball Federation
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Norway's beach handball team has been fined 1,500 euros ($2,407) for being improperly dressed after the women wore bike shorts instead of bikini bottoms at a European championship match in Bulgaria.

Beach Handball's rules stipulate that female players must wear tops and bikini bottoms. Men wear tank tops and shorts.

"Athletes' uniforms and accessories contribute to helping athletes increase their performance as well as remain coherent with the sportive and attractive image of the sport," the uniform regulations add.

"Female athletes must wear bikini bottoms … with a close fit and cut on an upward angle toward the top of the leg."

Norway's beach handball team fined for breaching uniform requirements by not wearing bikini bottoms

The European Handball Federation says its disciplinary commission has dealt with "a case of improper clothing" after the Norway team elected to wear bike shorts instead of bikini bottoms.
www.abc.net.au
 
A lot more detail on the above story here.

Women fined $2409 for not wearing bikinis

Norway’s women’s beach handball team has been fined for wearing shorts instead of bikini bottoms during a weekend game in a decision that been described as “ridiculous”.
www.news.com.au
 
I think we need a photo of them in bikini bottoms so we can make a proper judgement.
 
It seems Democrat NY governor Cuomo is in a spot of bother, yet none of the media circus conservatives endure.

Strange that.
 
wayneL said:
It seems Democrat NY governor Cuomo is in a spot of bother, yet none of the media circus conservatives endure.

Strange that.
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Its across all the major networks and Biden has called for his resignation... you know just like the Republicans did with Trump!
 
IFocus said:
Its across all the major networks and Biden has called for his resignation... you know just like the Republicans did with Trump!
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Cuomo is actually guilty though.
 
wayneL said:
Cuomo is actually guilty though.
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Let the people decide. If they want they can vote him out (as they did with Trump) or the NY government can try to remove him via impeachment (which will likely fail). Media and twitter/political pressure to resign is not democratic.

Clinton set the modern standard for men with regards to sexual misconduct being accepted in government. I don't agree with the poor morals of our politicians, but seems most of the population don't really care.
 
The Triangle said:
I don't agree with the poor morals of our politicians, but seems most of the population don't really care.
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Speaking personally I do care if women are miss(!)treated and unwanted harassment should not be tolerated.

The thing I'm worried about is that a lot of women may jump on the me-too bandwagon for relatively minor infringements (or even none at all) and the resulting implication that all men are bastards and all women are angels. That's obviously not the case and I think we are getting a lopsided view of what's going on in Parliament and the wider society.
 
My observation is that it is the media who really decides. It will be really interesting to see how quickly, or not as the case may be, this all blows over in the media.

... As opposed to the extended sh¹tstorm conservative politicians go through over what has often been baseless accusations.

The people basically care as much as the media tells them to.
 
wayneL said:
Cuomo is actually guilty though.
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Hmm Trump outed himself groping females genitalia, no one on the conservative side blinked.

I expect Cuomo is gone local Dems have said as much.
 
IFocus said:
Hmm Trump outed himself groping females genitalia, no one on the conservative side blinked.

I expect Cuomo is gone local Dems have said as much.
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Points of order:

1) Braggadocio is no evidence of the actual behaviour. I may brag about having a menage a trois with Elle and Naomi, but that is unlikely to be true.

2) if the recipient of such p**** grabbing is consensual, it is not actually harassment now is it?
 
Actually depends on media, if the media feel it is newsworthy, it may well be the end of you.
If you are of no importance to the media, well best of luck with your endeavours.lol
Imo right or wrong, runs a distant second to impact and circulation results.
Just my opinion.
 
sptrawler said:
Actually depends on media, if the media feel it is newsworthy, it may well be the end of you.
If you are of no importance to the media, well best of luck with your endeavours.lol
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Which is my point.

80% of folks are instructed on what they should think, 20% actually think.
 
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