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We will never know.
The abuser (male or female) won't admit it and the victim isn't talking either.
Sexual harrassment
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We will never know.
The abuser (male or female) won't admit it and the victim isn't talking either.
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Will 'Promising Young Woman' Get Its 'Joker' Moment?
Carey Mulligan's Oscar-nominated performance in the rape revenge thriller is a howl of female rage. The question is whether anyone is listening
By Olivia Ovenden
16/03/2021
Universal
Promising Young Woman begins with a sleight of hand. We watch Cassie (Carey Mulligan) taken home by a 'nice guy' who wanted to make sure she was safe after spotting her slumped and alone in a club. After he has pushed and pushed her until finally he gets her on her back, she instantly snaps back to being sober. Gotcha!
The trick which Cassie plays with men – revenge, we later discover, on behalf of her friend Nina who was sexually assaulted – tells you who so many men are when they think nobody is watching. This bait and switch not only inspires anger at the men for what they were trying to get away with, but also at the woman who exposed something they hoped was carefully hidden.
https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a35242156/promising-young-woman-oscars-carey-mulligan-joker/
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This makes sense. Bi-partisan call for sexual assault/harassment allegations in parliament to be kept confidential.
... And then make sure they are taken seriously..
www.theguardian.com
... And then make sure they are taken seriously..
Brittany Higgins, Thérèse Rein and Lucy Turnbull join women calling for sexual assault allegations to be kept confidential
Bipartisan group of political staff write to Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese
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This summed up why 100,000 woman marched around Australia on Monday and the change in perspective required by the Government.
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Well that was said a few days ago, now look what has happened, technology don't you love it.We seem to be moving into a very vague law system, where the onus is becoming proving innocence as opposed to proving guilt, which isn't a problem as long as it isn't you that are the brunt of the accusation.
I heard today that the young lady who is Australian of the year, has called for the State and Federal Government to define what is consent, I personally think that will be self resolving, if I was a young bloke I would be asking for a signed agreement before taking anyone to bed.
.‘Can’t be solved in 24 hours’: Premier refuses to comment on top cop’s sexual consent app idea
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she will not be forced to comment on a proposal for a mobile phone app to record sexual consent because it was not a conversation that could be solved in 24 hours.
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Interesting SP. The holes and challenges of the consent app just scream out. As Mick Fuller said just consider it (before ditching it..)
This analysis just makes a start of how challenging/dangerous such an app would be
www.theguardian.com
This analysis just makes a start of how challenging/dangerous such an app would be
NSW police commissioner admits his sex consent app proposal 'could be a terrible idea'
Mick Fuller says there is ‘a range of things’ he’d love to come out of a conversation about consent ‘and the app is not necessarily one of them’
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On a different note this is an excellent discission on what sex might/could mean to men and women. It goes to the heart of whether sex is "recreational" , "no big deal" or far more significant in a persons mind than an itch they need to scratch or a score they want to make.
Because sex is a cornerstone of so many of our relations understanding what it means to different people is critical.
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Because sex is a cornerstone of so many of our relations understanding what it means to different people is critical.
The sex dilemma - ABC Religion & Ethics
Our intuition that sexual assault is a serious violation implicitly assumes that sex is profoundly significant. This is a view, however, that runs counter to the prevailing, recreational understanding. We can believe that sexual assault is a grievous wrong or we can believe that sex is a trivial...
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Interesting SP. The holes and challenges of the consent app just scream out. As Mick Fuller said just consider it (before ditching it..)
This analysis just makes a start of how challenging/dangerous such an app would be
NSW police commissioner admits his sex consent app proposal 'could be a terrible idea'
Mick Fuller says there is ‘a range of things’ he’d love to come out of a conversation about consent ‘and the app is not necessarily one of them’
This view didn't think it was a good idea either..
Sexual consent app proposal might be NSW top cop's 'worst idea all year'
An app for partners to register their consent before having sex has been proposed as a way to address the growing sexual assault problem in NSW, but critics say it is "naive" and could easily be manipulated.
www.abc.net.au
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The main thing is people are thinking about it, which is the the main thing IMO, there has to be a way whereby the truth is obvious.This view didn't think it was a good idea either..
Sexual consent app proposal might be NSW top cop's 'worst idea all year'
An app for partners to register their consent before having sex has been proposed as a way to address the growing sexual assault problem in NSW, but critics say it is "naive" and could easily be manipulated.
Not just a fleeting moment, that leads to buyers regret, or even worse jail or an unwanted child.
It is o.k people saying an app could be manipulated, but if it is secure and well thought out, there is no reason something couldn't be designed.
We have no trouble banking on an app, and people keep suggesting voting by an app, so bonking by an app shouldn't be too difficult. ?
I mean really how good is the system we currently have?
lets think about it for a minute:
Each person downloads a government app to their phone, like we did with covid.
Then each person makes up their own pin number.
Person one opens app and uses pin to sends request to person two, person two has to use their pin to answer person one, if person one doesn't have the appropriate answer they are in manure.
It also stops date rape drugs and drunk rape, if the person is muted, they can't send a message and the muppet doesn't have the victims pin.
Well that took me 30 seconds to think out while I was writing.
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The main thing is people are thinking about it, which is the the main thing IMO, there has to be a way whereby the truth is obvious.
Not just a fleeting moment, that leads to buyers regret, or even worse jail or an unwanted child.
It is o.k people saying an app could be manipulated, but if it is secure and well thought out, there is no reason something couldn't be designed.
We have no trouble banking on an app, and people keep suggesting voting by an app, so bonking by an app shouldn't be too difficult. ?
I mean really how good is the system we currently have?
lets think about it for a minute:
Each person downloads a government app to their phone, like we did with covid.
Then each person makes up their own pin number.
Person one sends request to person two, person two has to use their pin to answer person one, if person one doesn't have the appropriate answer they are in manure.
Well that took me 30 seconds to think out while I was writing.
I guess the problem becomes if the app is not used, does that imply consent was not given ?
Are people going to be sent to jail because they or the other party did not press a button ?
Moments of passion don't necessarily occur with a mobile device present and this could be yet another example of control of our lives by technology.
The Police Commissioner probably meant well, but it seems like a thought bubble that he hasn't worked through.
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If the app isn't used I know I wouldn't be bonking, it is a bit like shagging when the other partner says don't worry I've taken precautions I never went for that either.
if a person out on the market can't control their passion, they really shouldn't be out on the market, that is how rape happens, not controlling the passion.
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If the app isn't used I know I wouldn't be bonking, it is a bit like shagging when the other partner says don't worry I've taken precautions I never went for that either.
if a person out on the market can't control their passion, they really shouldn't be out on the market, that is how rape happens, not controlling the passion.
Just think of the implications if this system is hacked.
There would be a record of who you bonked, where and when.
The blackmailers would have a field day.
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Perhaps this idea could help.
www.theshovel.com.au
New Consent App Just Picture Of Peter Dutton: “You’ll Never Want To Have Sex Again”
"We immediately shelved plans to become intimate for the rest of our lives"
www.theshovel.com.au
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This is an analogy of consent. Simple, elegant, relatable.
The problem is people lie. It's the lies that cause the problem.
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And some change their mind after they've had the tea (usually once the effects of pills, cocaine and/or alcohol leave their system and shame sets in)
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Yep. Just lies and women who change their mind.
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Why the 'nice guy' penalty disadvantages all workers
Research suggests that men are distrusted and passed over at work when they exhibit qualities stereotypically assigned to women. Fixing this would benefit all of us.
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One issue of relevance is that men seeking to climb the ladder, either the corporate one or socially, usually do work out that brute force is more likely to succeed than a "nice guy" approach.
Much is said to the contrary in the world we live in but in practice that's reality. Nice guys will succeed only in the absence of an aggressor - if there's one of those around then a key part of their approach is simply pushing anyone else out of the way, that's how they progress, and society at all levels is pretty well set up to enable that.
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Why the 'nice guy' penalty disadvantages all workers
Research suggests that men are distrusted and passed over at work when they exhibit qualities stereotypically assigned to women. Fixing this would benefit all of us.
One issue of relevance is that men seeking to climb the ladder, either the corporate one or socially, usually do work out that brute force is more likely to succeed than a "nice guy" approach.
Much is said to the contrary in the world we live in but in practice that's reality. Nice guys will succeed only in the absence of an aggressor - if there's one of those around then a key part of their approach is simply pushing anyone else out of the way, that's how they progress, and society at all levels is pretty well set up to enable that.
Let's not kid ourselves that some women aren't b*tches when it comes to climbing the corporate (or government) ranks either.
They have other ways of furthering their careers than men but they are quite capable of bullying and more subtle ways of getting to the top.
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Why the 'nice guy' penalty disadvantages all workers
Research suggests that men are distrusted and passed over at work when they exhibit qualities stereotypically assigned to women. Fixing this would benefit all of us.
One issue of relevance is that men seeking to climb the ladder, either the corporate one or socially, usually do work out that brute force is more likely to succeed than a "nice guy" approach.
Much is said to the contrary in the world we live in but in practice that's reality. Nice guys will succeed only in the absence of an aggressor - if there's one of those around then a key part of their approach is simply pushing anyone else out of the way, that's how they progress, and society at all levels is pretty well set up to enable that.
Excellent point. As Rumpy points out one could use the "nice person" descriptor because women can be equally capable of aggression or bitchiness.
But the overall issue of a society that allows and often revels in aggressive, loud mouthed leaders to thrive is spot on. And it's success encourages imitators.
Psychopaths are very strong people.
