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Sentencing in Australia is a disgrace

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without judges and our legal system what would happen? All that this thread is doing is looking at the material facts of the case and the final sentence. If Mrburns and the other forums members who have posted were serious about discussing the issue at hand, they would surely visit sites such as www.austlii.edu.au to read full case scripts. You need to understand more than just the material facts of the case and the final sentence, you need to understand the various judges' reasonings (by reading their judgments) and so on. Sure our society isnt perfect, it never will be, and im not saying by any means thats judges are always correct but simply looking at the facts and sentence is not adequate if your going to make an informed and justifyable comment.

Just my

V
 

No doubt vvv.
Of course all facts need to be considered by judges.

The fact that:

Mohamed was jailed for 22 months with a minimum of 13 months, which included three months for breaching an earlier suspended sentence.


I wonder if the same mitigating circumstances (eg. background, tragic and violent past life in Africa) of the offender were put before the court when he was first convicted.

Is this an unreported judgement, I can't seem to find the reporting of this case on the web? You couldn't possibly point me in the right direction could you veni?
 
Our judges are bent on rehabilitation and special circumstances to reduce the sentence and possibly not have it recorded further increasing probability of offenders return to community.

As they say good intentions and what the reality is?

Our sentencing system is laughing stock of our crims, who long ago made their career choice and all they do now is use our limitations and restrictions and good will to abuse it to the max.

Time for wake up call? Maybe not today.
 
Another look at justice the Australian way, there's a lot to discuss at the next meeting of the Star Chamber.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/844027/girl-terrified-of-rapist-grandfather

 
Mr Burns,

There are many things I dont agree with you about (on this thread), but that last thread disgusted me. In my eyes that is the worst type of crime...I hope something 'bad' happens to that monster (I'm rather lost for words on how angry/annoyed that makes me feel).

V
 
Don't know who's worse the kiddy fiddler or the learned judge.

 
MrBurns said:
Don't know who's worse the kiddy fiddler or the learned judge.
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Yep, can't help thinking the Justice system is ruined. And I believe it will deteriorate further.

And the reason why?....it may have something to do with emotional stupidity.

We have a justice system that's similar to the US. Simply, a sentence is given depending on the following:

How much remorse & regret you have shown in court
How bad your sad sack life has been
If you are part of a minority group

So, if you grew up in a shoe box, cleaned toilets with a tooth brush for a living, emigrated from a land where everyone has purple hair and was an emotional wreak always saying sorry, you could easily beat a rap for murder.

So, until we get back to "do the crime, do the time" it will get worse. We are so emotionally charged these days, we are now moving into a situation where the victim is treated like the criminal & the criminal becomes the victim.

Welcome to the modern world

Cheers
 
How do you like this as an example of your taxes at work -

 
Of course - we should reinstate capital punishment! Look how well that works in the USA at reducing crime and deaths by shooting......... Oh wait.. I was looking at that chart upside down!
Of course - we should all be able to carry guns and shoot anyone who enters our property! Look how well that works in the USA.. so few people die of gun related injuries there ...... Oh wait ... that chart is upside down too

Given the above comments - I would also like to say that I believe in 'truth' in sentencing ... when they say "Life in Prison" it should actually mean "Your whole life".
I also believe that Truck drivers who fail to pay a fine should not be put in the same prison as violent offenders, or certainly not in the same area of the prison.
 

Shooting the bastard may not stop others from doing it but it will damn well sure stop him.
 
Sorry if I regurgitate things before mentioned but I am new to this thread so I will give my thoughts as I see them and let them be picked apart in the aftermath lol.

The fall of most of the great societies has come from within and this is historical fact as shown through the ages.

Something that stands out is people having to be responsible/accountable for their actions, when they are accountable or made to be accountable things seem to run smoothly. Unfortunately our Laws have become weak with do gooders and human rights intervention, the Judges are locked away in Ivory towers out of touch with the common man, have their hands tied by the Law and can be deceived or tricked into making a decision, the Courts are booked up with long waiting lists and are inefficient, Solicitors are justifying ever minute of their day with a fee or charge for whatever they can, because lets face it they are their to make money first and foremost for their company, thats how you go up the ladder.

The Victim whose rights have been breached comes last (because heaven forbid even criminals have rights).

My belief is that if you knowingly do something right you will take the credit for it, doubt there are any arguements there, but if you knowingly do something wrong you should be punished and forfeit any rights you have until the matter is settled and you have accounted for your wrong.

I love Dexter and believe a dozen spread around WA would be worth their weight in gold (taxpayers gold saved), our jails are overcrowded and cost a bloody fortune, seems amusing that the innocent victims have to contribute to keep the criminals that have wronged them. Pity it wasnt like the old west and if someone was in the wrong they were given a trial and hanged the next day if guilty, might instill some fear back into criminal society hey.

I apologise if this rambles a bit and doesnt follow an exact path, was doing other things in between writing this lot down
 
MrBurns said:
What a bloody farce this whole business is - not an ounce af common sense in the whole Govt to let this happen in the first place.
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Farcical indeed.

From the absurb to the sublimely ridiculous!

Publicly funded housing for paedophiles

Ferguson law a 'victory for vigilantes'

Posted September 23, 2009 10:34:00

The Australian Lawyers Alliance says a new law in New South Wales, enabling housing authorities to force paedophiles to move from public housing, is a victory for vigilantes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/23/2693978.htm?section=justin

Just make sure you keep those vigilantes away from the paedo's, the vigilantes may be able to uphold the rights/civil liberties of defenceless kids.

Talk about twisted bull**** from this lawyers group.
 
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