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without judges and our legal system what would happen? All that this thread is doing is looking at the material facts of the case and the final sentence. If Mrburns and the other forums members who have posted were serious about discussing the issue at hand, they would surely visit sites such as www.austlii.edu.au to read full case scripts. You need to understand more than just the material facts of the case and the final sentence, you need to understand the various judges' reasonings (by reading their judgments) and so on. Sure our society isnt perfect, it never will be, and im not saying by any means thats judges are always correct but simply looking at the facts and sentence is not adequate if your going to make an informed and justifyable comment.

Just my :2twocents

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veni_vedi_vici said:
without judges and our legal system what would happen? All that this thread is doing is looking at the material facts of the case and the final sentence. If Mrburns and the other forums members who have posted were serious about discussing the issue at hand, they would surely visit sites such as www.austlii.edu.au to read full case scripts. You need to understand more than just the material facts of the case and the final sentence, you need to understand the various judges' reasonings (by reading their judgments) and so on. Sure our society isnt perfect, it never will be, and im not saying by any means thats judges are always correct but simply looking at the facts and sentence is not adequate if your going to make an informed and justifyable comment.

Just my :2twocents

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No doubt vvv.
Of course all facts need to be considered by judges.

The fact that:

Mohamed was jailed for 22 months with a minimum of 13 months, which included three months for breaching an earlier suspended sentence.


I wonder if the same mitigating circumstances (eg. background, tragic and violent past life in Africa) of the offender were put before the court when he was first convicted.

Is this an unreported judgement, I can't seem to find the reporting of this case on the web? You couldn't possibly point me in the right direction could you veni? ;)
 
Our judges are bent on rehabilitation and special circumstances to reduce the sentence and possibly not have it recorded further increasing probability of offenders return to community.

As they say good intentions and what the reality is?

Our sentencing system is laughing stock of our crims, who long ago made their career choice and all they do now is use our limitations and restrictions and good will to abuse it to the max.

Time for wake up call? Maybe not today.
 
Another look at justice the Australian way, there's a lot to discuss at the next meeting of the Star Chamber.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/844027/girl-terrified-of-rapist-grandfather

Girl 'terrified' of rapist

An eight-year-old girl is terrified because her rapist grandfather has avoided a jail sentence for 10 months.

The 67-year-old, who cannot be named, has already pleaded guilty to six counts of sexual intercourse with a child under 10, the Daily Telegraph reports.

He pleaded guilty in October last year.

But he is yet to be sentenced and has been granted bail at each of his four court appearances.

During that time, he has also been charged with stalking his granddaughter at her school.

The man's defence counsel said he was suffering from stress and dementia.

They have also questioned whether he is fit to plead to another charge of sexually assaulting his daughter, to which he has already pleaded not guilty.

The girl's mother said delays in the grandfather's sentencing had left her daughter terrified.

"She has ulcers, she is sick and I will say her name and she bounces up to the roof, she is so stressed and she is having severe nightmares," the mother was quoted as saying.

"She has moved schools, we have moved house because she wasn't comfortable because she kept thinking Poppy was going to grab her."

The girl no longer played in the playground because she was too scared.

The Director of Public Prosecutions refused to comment on the case.
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Mr Burns,

There are many things I dont agree with you about (on this thread), but that last thread disgusted me. In my eyes that is the worst type of crime...I hope something 'bad' happens to that monster (I'm rather lost for words on how angry/annoyed that makes me feel).

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Don't know who's worse the kiddy fiddler or the learned judge.

pr0n maker urged others to 'snatch a child'

Posted 2 hours 26 minutes ago
Updated 58 minutes ago

The Appeal Court Justices have reserved thier decision. (ABC News: Cate Grant)

A Hobart court has heard a child pornographer used an internet chat room to encourage another person to abduct a child.

Lindsay Gordon Latham pleaded guilty to more than 90 charges, including distributing and producing child exploitation material.

The 53-year-old from New Norfolk has served a sentence of 10 months in prison, with a four-month non-parole period.

The Director of Public Prosecutions, Tim Ellis, has appealed against the sentence on the grounds that it is manifestly inadequate.

Mr Ellis told the Court of Criminal Appeal that Latham encouraged another man to "snatch a child off the street," and on another occasion told a chat room he would like to buy a three-year-old girl.
Mr Ellis said Latham's actions amounted to disturbing and brutal child exploitation.

The maximum penalty for each count of distribution and production is 21 years in prison.

The court has reserved its decision.
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MrBurns said:
Don't know who's worse the kiddy fiddler or the learned judge.
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Yep, can't help thinking the Justice system is ruined. And I believe it will deteriorate further.

And the reason why?....it may have something to do with emotional stupidity.

We have a justice system that's similar to the US. Simply, a sentence is given depending on the following:

How much remorse & regret you have shown in court
How bad your sad sack life has been
If you are part of a minority group

So, if you grew up in a shoe box, cleaned toilets with a tooth brush for a living, emigrated from a land where everyone has purple hair and was an emotional wreak always saying sorry, you could easily beat a rap for murder.:)

So, until we get back to "do the crime, do the time" it will get worse. We are so emotionally charged these days, we are now moving into a situation where the victim is treated like the criminal & the criminal becomes the victim.

Welcome to the modern world

Cheers
 
How do you like this as an example of your taxes at work -

Baby killer's sentence cut.

By Jason Rawlins

Posted 1 hour 6 minutes ago
Updated 51 minutes ago


A Brisbane man who killed a baby has had his sentence cut (ABC News)

Queensland's Court of Appeal has reduced the sentence imposed on a Brisbane man for the manslaughter of a 19-day-old baby boy.

In 2007, Matthew Andrew Riseley, 22, killed Isaac Lazarus, the child of a woman Riseley was living with at the time.

The boy suffered multiple fractures and bruising consistent with being bashed and violently shaken.

In May this year, Riseley was sentenced in the Supreme Court to eight years in jail and declared a serious violent offender.

The Attorney-General appealed against the sentence, arguing anything less than 10 years was inadequate.

But the Court of Appeal today said it was hard to justify a sentence more severe than penalties imposed in previous cases.

The Court removed the serious violent offender declaration and fixed Riseley's parole eligibility date to 2011.
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Of course - we should reinstate capital punishment! Look how well that works in the USA at reducing crime and deaths by shooting......... Oh wait.. I was looking at that chart upside down! :cautious:
Of course - we should all be able to carry guns and shoot anyone who enters our property! Look how well that works in the USA.. so few people die of gun related injuries there ...... Oh wait ... that chart is upside down too :confused:

Given the above comments - I would also like to say that I believe in 'truth' in sentencing ... when they say "Life in Prison" it should actually mean "Your whole life".
I also believe that Truck drivers who fail to pay a fine should not be put in the same prison as violent offenders, or certainly not in the same area of the prison.
 
jono_oz said:
Of course - we should reinstate capital punishment! Look how well that works in the USA at reducing crime and deaths by shooting......... Oh wait.. I was looking at that chart upside down! :cautious:
Of course - we should all be able to carry guns and shoot anyone who enters our property! Look how well that works in the USA.. so few people die of gun related injuries there ...... Oh wait ... that chart is upside down too :confused:

Given the above comments - I would also like to say that I believe in 'truth' in sentencing ... when they say "Life in Prison" it should actually mean "Your whole life".
I also believe that Truck drivers who fail to pay a fine should not be put in the same prison as violent offenders, or certainly not in the same area of the prison.
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Shooting the bastard may not stop others from doing it but it will damn well sure stop him.
 
Sorry if I regurgitate things before mentioned but I am new to this thread so I will give my thoughts as I see them and let them be picked apart in the aftermath lol.

The fall of most of the great societies has come from within and this is historical fact as shown through the ages.

Something that stands out is people having to be responsible/accountable for their actions, when they are accountable or made to be accountable things seem to run smoothly. Unfortunately our Laws have become weak with do gooders and human rights intervention, the Judges are locked away in Ivory towers out of touch with the common man, have their hands tied by the Law and can be deceived or tricked into making a decision, the Courts are booked up with long waiting lists and are inefficient, Solicitors are justifying ever minute of their day with a fee or charge for whatever they can, because lets face it they are their to make money first and foremost for their company, thats how you go up the ladder.

The Victim whose rights have been breached comes last (because heaven forbid even criminals have rights).

My belief is that if you knowingly do something right you will take the credit for it, doubt there are any arguements there, but if you knowingly do something wrong you should be punished and forfeit any rights you have until the matter is settled and you have accounted for your wrong.

I love Dexter and believe a dozen spread around WA would be worth their weight in gold (taxpayers gold saved), our jails are overcrowded and cost a bloody fortune, seems amusing that the innocent victims have to contribute to keep the criminals that have wronged them. Pity it wasnt like the old west and if someone was in the wrong they were given a trial and hanged the next day if guilty, might instill some fear back into criminal society hey.

I apologise if this rambles a bit and doesnt follow an exact path, was doing other things in between writing this lot down
 
MrBurns said:
What a bloody farce this whole business is - not an ounce af common sense in the whole Govt to let this happen in the first place.
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Farcical indeed. :mad:

From the absurb to the sublimely ridiculous!

Publicly funded housing for paedophiles

Ferguson law a 'victory for vigilantes'

Posted September 23, 2009 10:34:00

The Australian Lawyers Alliance says a new law in New South Wales, enabling housing authorities to force paedophiles to move from public housing, is a victory for vigilantes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/23/2693978.htm?section=justin

Just make sure you keep those vigilantes away from the paedo's, the vigilantes may be able to uphold the rights/civil liberties of defenceless kids.

Talk about twisted bull**** from this lawyers group.
 

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