Rudd and Swan are convinced that they can spend their way out of recession, and they admit they don't know if it will work.
I suppose it's his gesture towards coping with 'climate change', i.e. less need for air conditioning/heating if houses are insulated. I think the principle is reasonable but it does not deserve the amount of money spent on it he has suggested. It will also spawn many rip off merchants.The only result I can see after spending $4 billion on insulation is that all the businesses that were created as part of the exercise will fold afterwards, all of the people that were working putting in the insulation will be out of a job afterwards, and all that will be left are some well insulated homes.
I'd hoped that the funds destined for Education might have been some attempt to employ more teachers, or improve teacher education so that we produce teachers who are actually properly equipped to teach. But no, it's to go to creating splendid new assembly halls, music auditoriums etc. These are great if there's plenty of spare money but hardly seem a priority for borrowed money.Nothing to pin any kind of future on, nothing to build on, nothing to utilise, no seeds of growth planted, its highly unlikely any innovations will have resulted from it, nobody reskilled or educated as a result of it.
Or expand the ports so that when the mining resumes at full levels there are not the bottlenecks causing ships to wait at sea for days before loading/unloading.Geez build the railways up in the Northern territory to exploit the minerals out of there.
Yes. Even put funds into new nursing homes for the ageing population, at the same time introducing a level of user pays for upper levels of care.Or build a gas pipeline up to Asia. Solve water and erosion problems. Spend on a complete overhaul and consolidation of health administration in Australia and related health services which are back in the 19th century in a lot of instances - this will encourage all sorts of innovation - health is an area crying out for innovative ideas and any significant spending will result in all sorts of side benefits and will likely create lasting, internationally competitive businesses. It will also help out all of the ageing Australians that will need those health services.
It's certainly feeling like some sort of bad dream.But no lets put the money into pokies, alcohol and insulation bats - in quantities unheard of.
What a disgraceful waste of years of Australian productivity and savings - current and future. Banana republic here we come.
Someone wake me up ... or is it April 1st? ... or did the Chaser team somehow manage to take over the Australian media for a day?
I think he's actually revelling in all the drama.I agree this is all aimed at confidence. The Govt simply havent got the money to bail us out of this, problem is their lame attempts will burden future generations with enormous debt, Rudd doesn't give a root , this is his moment in the sun.
That's my natural inclination also. But wasn't this what happened in the Great Depression and as a result all the umm experts have resolved to do the opposite now?Reckless borrowing and spending is what caused this problem. And what do we do? Spend more money we don't have.
Deficit spending is extremely short sighted. It assumes that someone will lend us huge amounts of money and that we can pay the interest on it. You would think that the current rise in US treasury yields market may be of some warning to Rudd?
We need to do the opposite, that is, encourage savings and cut back public sector spending. There is no other way to weather this out.
Perhaps there is sense in building infrastructure now which will be needed when the recovery occurs. I don't see that assembly halls in schools fit into this category.No. Infrastructure spending is only good if there is a demand for it and right now there is little. Every dollar the government spends is one less dollar for more essential social services later. We taxpayers will end up paying it all back plus interest.
Building bridges to nowhere will only make the recovery take longer.
I couldn't agree more. The urgency with which Rudd & Co expect the Senate to pass this legislation is quite obscene. I also would like a detailed account of just how all this proposed spending is going to create exactly how many jobs and details of how long these jobs will last, e.g. the fly by night batt installers.I dont think he was saying that. More that we might need to do something else in 6 months time and if we spend all the money now - where do we go next? Borrow another trillion $???
And how do we pay it back?
Personally, I earn and pay tax and would like to understand a few of the details. Given that I am working and paying tax, I dont have time. So I am glad Turnbull is sticking his knackers on the line to do it for me.
Dangle a $1900 carrot in front of my face, and now Turnbull wants to take it away - one can only imagine these sorts of feelings are amplified across the voting public. The man has just commited political suicide, I'm afraid.
Or is it just possible that - as someone who presumably has a few more clues than Kev about things financial - he genuinely believes in what he is saying and knows Kev's package is poor. Thinks it's worth sticking his neck out politically in the hope of a more responsible approach?Maybe, or maybe he's thinking, "Hmmm, this government was elected by a fair majority, but there's still another ~2years until the next Federal election, what have I got to lose by playing devil's advocate?"
Does anyone else remember that Turnbull heartily commended Hank Paulson's original US stimulus package? The one that the Bush administration got through in double quick time and which turned out to be hopelessly inadequate. I distinctly remember hearing Malcolm talk about his old friend Hank and what a very smart man he was; I wonder what he thinks now.
I don't think the national interest is in Turnbull's mind much at all right now, except insofar as he thinks that a coalition government after the next election would be in the national interest. Maybe he's right about that, but we've got to get through the next year or more first and I for one would appreciate some sign that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is prepared either to propose some alternatives or to make its opposition constructive.
I had hopes that Turnbull would raise the level of policymaking in the coalition and or debate in the Parliament. He's a big disappointment.
Ghoti
I'd hoped that the funds destined for Education might have been some attempt to employ more teachers, or improve teacher education so that we produce teachers who are actually properly equipped to teach. But no, it's to go to creating splendid new assembly halls, music auditoriums etc. These are great if there's plenty of spare money but hardly seem a priority for borrowed money.
Bugga the insulation . what australia needs is .........LAMB CHOPS !
Anyone else find it frightening to look at the professional qualifications of the Labor Government. Rock star, professional politicians, lawyers, trade unionists. So exactly how many of them have had any experience in running a business? Let alone a business facing financial pressure.
Let alone the business of running Australia!
Put the infrastructure into channelling the flood waters from NT/FNQ into Victoria and South Australia. Will cost billions I know, that is always the catch cry, but we seem as though we have billions to spend anyway. Solves many problems.
Someone needs to show Rudd our exponential increase in foreign debt. It had been used to fuel the boom, and now that's over, we are left with over $1 trillion in debt denominated in (mostly) US dollars.
If Rudd continues to flood the economy with money and cutting interest rates, the AUD will suffer. As a result, foreign debt servicing goes up. Then the government / banks will need more liquidity to service the debt which causes the AUD to fall even more. Ultimately, the Australian economy will spiral into bankruptcy. With the cost of borrowing increasing, this can happen sooner than people think.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...-blowup-of-1975/2005/10/28/1130400363882.htmlIT WAS known as the Khemlani affair, but for the Whitlam government the money trail started in Adelaide with Greek emigre Gerry Karidis, 37. Thirty years later Karidis, a rich Adelaide builder who now specialises in retirement villages, is adamant the $4 billion "funny money" stream of petrodollars promised by shady Pakistani businessman Tirath Khemlani really was there, and more.
Speaking for the first time in 30 years about his role in the loans affair, Karidis says up to $8 billion in Middle Eastern oil money was waiting to be tapped and could have helped the Whitlam government realise its grand vision, which included major new infrastructure investment and a plan to take up a strategic interest in Australia's mineral wealth.
"Khemlani mentioned $4 billion, he even mentioned $8 billion, and the money was there. I knew from another source $5 billion was there just from one person; we weren't blowing hot air," says Karidis.
Someone needs to show Rudd our exponential increase in foreign debt. It had been used to fuel the boom, and now that's over, we are left with over $1 trillion in debt denominated in (mostly) US dollars.
If Rudd continues to flood the economy with money and cutting interest rates, the AUD will suffer. As a result, foreign debt servicing goes up. Then the government / banks will need more liquidity to service the debt which causes the AUD to fall even more. Ultimately, the Australian economy will spiral into bankruptcy. With the cost of borrowing increasing, this can happen sooner than people think.
In addition, Australia's AA international credit rating is sure to take a big hit. That won't help the AUD going forward either.
I seem to remember some problem with Gough's Labor gumint trying to obtain international loans for Treasury back in the 70's (the notorious Khemlani Affair).
Anyone else find it frightening to look at the professional qualifications of the Labor Government. Rock star, professional politicians, lawyers, trade unionists. So exactly how many of them have had any experience in running a business? Let alone a business facing financial pressure.
Let alone the business of running Australia!
Put the infrastructure into channelling the flood waters from NT/FNQ into Victoria and South Australia. Will cost billions I know, that is always the catch cry, but we seem as though we have billions to spend anyway. Solves many problems.
Up to $24 billion worth of Commonwealth bonds will be issued in the next five months, compared with the annual $5 billion in the past four financial years.
The new debt will also compete with government-guaranteed commercial paper from the banks in a market flooded with at least $30 billion in the past few months.
Prospector said:Anyone else find it frightening to look at the professional qualifications of the Labor Government. Rock star, professional politicians, lawyers, trade unionists. So exactly how many of them have had any experience in running a business? Let alone a business facing financial pressure.
Let alone the business of running Australia!
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