School speed cameras

[Happy]

Should be in did you know thread, but fits here too.

Did you know that unlicensed driver’s syndrome rose by 2,000% in last 10 years or so?

People lose points, lose licence but still drive.

 

[Rapture]

So, you are saying a "good" driver should see a brick being hurtled from an overpass at night, while going 100km/hr???

Of course "Disarray" can forsee this Coolcricket.... To use their words .....

i am a habitual speeder and comfortably negotiate traffic in excess of the speed limit, this is because i have good hand / eye co-ordination, drive according to the traffic conditions, fix my focus several hundered metres ahead and am able to accurately judge speed, direction and time. on the other hand the roads are filled with muppets who have no concept of using their mirrors, drive in whatever lane they feel like with no situational awareness and have lousy judgement.

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Dissarray can also leap over building with a single bound .....

 

[coolcricket]

lol, he forgot to mention his nightvision!

 

[arms]

Always love these threads and how some people as good as disarray are so sure in themselves.

As an emergency service worker I see these type of people and their victims quite often, unfortunatly it is usually their victim who ends up worse off and the people such as diarray sitting in the gutter in disbelief.

Reminds of a case where we conducted a talk at a repeat traffic offenders course, ie people who speed reguraly. One person in mind stuck in our minds as a know it all who was the best driver in the world. Unfortunatly a few weeks later this guy died whilst we were attempting to cut him from his car after he had a high speed accident with a truck.

I have attended many driving courses in my job to improve my skills and anticipation when driving, still after many years i am suprised by what can happen very quickly when responding to incidents.

I, outside of when under lights and siren do not speed, why? after many years the one thing I have learnt is that most accidents that I attend are caused by speed or inattention of drivers.

Speed limits are set to protect the general public and take into consideration the cross spectrum of driving skills,pedestrians, road conditions etc. If you loose a couple of minutes getting somewhere because you are not speeding, trust me it is better than watching someone work to save the life of someone you have just been in an accident with! Or seeing the family of that person turn up in absolute horror at what they see in front of them.

The slogan, safe speeding theres no such thing is so very true. You may think your good but something is always around the corner waiting to suprise you.

 

[intheblack]

Research has shown that increasing the penalties for traffic infringements does nothing to improve people's driving: all it does is increase revenue for the government. The way to prevent speeding, drink driving, etc. is to increase the chance of being caught. That is, more speed cameras, more highway patrols, more visible police - not more demerit points or higher fines. Let's face it: who doesn't slow down when they see a "speed cameras used in this area" sign or a cop with a speed gun?

 

[Rapture]

We tend to forget that we are talking about kids here !!! Kids are kids and they will forget to look twice before they cross , and they will run on the road laughing to catch their ball .. because they don't anticipate the dangers ..

How many times have you seen them walk across the street with their ipods glued to their ears oblivious to the world around them ? ...

Does it make you feel any better, knowing that those extra kms over the limit could be the difference between crushing a child's skull or just confining them to a wheel chair ??

I don't care how great a driver one may think they, unfortunately accidents will happen .. Its best to drive in a defensive manner , rather than take the arrogant approach and assume that you can avoid all ....

We who are the ones behind the wheel, need to take extra caution when we are driving around residential areas and school zones and be aware . At least we can live with ourselves a little easier knowing we did all we could .

 

[insider]

Fines only make the driver angrier.... our children are worth MUCH MUCH more than a few misserable hundred dollars.
SUSPEND THE LICENSE of anyone speeding in a school zone .... and USE the hoon laws of WA to confiscate the vehicle....... case solved

Merry Christmas to all
Gavan

SOUNDS LIKE AN OPINION OF SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DRIVE OR BARELY DRIVES.... HOW ABOUT EDUCATING KIDS TO CROSS ROADS SAFELY... THERE'S A LIFE SKILL THEY CAN DO WITH... AND HOW ABOUT DETENTION FOR ANY CHILD CROSSING THE ROAD IN THE WRONG PLACE...

SPEEDING FINES ARE NOTHINGMORE THAN A GRAB FOR CASH... HOW DOES IT SAVE LIVES IF IT TAKES A MONTH TO REACH YOU IN THE MAIL...

 

[Pat]

i am a habitual speeder and comfortably negotiate traffic in excess of the speed limit, this is because i have good hand / eye co-ordination, drive according to the traffic conditions, fix my focus several hundered metres ahead and am able to accurately judge speed, direction and time. on the other hand the roads are filled with muppets who have no concept of using their mirrors, drive in whatever lane they feel like with no situational awareness and have lousy judgement.

This is a great example of overconfidence on the roads Disarray. Hopefully you learn soon, and hopefully it's not the hard way. It's easy to judge others, hard to judge yourself.
Perhaps others on the road see you a the young "punk" who has no respect for the safety of others?

 

[disarray]

yes yes sit there and make your assumptions about arrogance and overconfidence and my amazing ability to dodge the bricks that come raining from the sky every time i happen to drive under an underpass

So, you are saying a "good" driver should see a brick being hurtled from an overpass at night, while going 100km/hr?

this is a retarded example, if kids are lobbing bricks at cars from an overpass at night ( +difficulty) then the speed a person is travelling is largely irrelevant. if anything a faster moving target is harder to hit.

Dissarray can also leap over building with a single bound

well i'm sorry if you are uncoordinated, have lousy perception or are just a crappy driver but thats not my fault (though on the road it is everyones problem). i see no reason why i should continually have to dumb myself and my actions down simply to cater for the lowest common denominator, but thats just the way society seems to be heading. i am perfectly capable of handling a car at above the speed limit and have the common sense to drive according to the conditions so i will continue to drive as i see fit. you can keep up the moral outrage if that makes you happy though.

anyway i suppose lowest common demoninator licensing is a good fit with our lowest common denominator education system.

Reminds of a case where we conducted a talk at a repeat traffic offenders course, ie people who speed reguraly. One person in mind stuck in our minds as a know it all who was the best driver in the world. Unfortunatly a few weeks later this guy died whilst we were attempting to cut him from his car after he had a high speed accident with a truck.

thanks for your example, i'll file it in with the guy who drove to fast for 50 years without an accident and the pack a day smoker who died of old age. however you are right with the following ...

after many years the one thing I have learnt is that most accidents that I attend are caused by speed or inattention of drivers

"inappropriate" speed and inattention are the biggest problems on the road. once again i go back to harp on about the point of teaching people how to drive properly and at an appropriate speed in the first place. 130k's on the F3 on a clear day is not an issue, 60k's through a school zone is.

Speed limits are set to protect the general public and take into consideration the cross spectrum of driving skills,pedestrians, road conditions etc ... The slogan, safe speeding theres no such thing is so very true

no its not, its a rubbish propaganda slogan bandied about to manage the behaviour of the sheeple who have bugger all driving ability. plenty of people are capable of handling cars at higher speeds (german autobahns are testament) yet speed limits take in the lowest common denominator of driving skills, which is why i'd like to see different classes of licensing instead of handing them out to any dipsh1t with a pulse on their 17th birthday.

Does it make you feel any better, knowing that those extra kms over the limit could be the difference between crushing a child's skull or just confining them to a wheel chair ??

oh my god won't somebody think of the children??!!?? spare me the moralising.

We who are the ones behind the wheel, need to take extra caution when we are driving around residential areas and school zones and be aware . At least we can live with ourselves a little easier knowing we did all we could

i agree with this point, i always have, but don't let it interrupt your little sermon.

This is a great example of overconfidence on the roads Disarray. Hopefully you learn soon, and hopefully it's not the hard way. It's easy to judge others, hard to judge yourself.
Perhaps others on the road see you a the young "punk" who has no respect for the safety of others?

of course it has to be overconfidence. it couldn't possibly just be confidence in ones own ability and judgement could it? i'm sorry you people are all so pissed off that i don't obey the road rules but i am perfectly capable of handling a car at high speeds, i have the common sense not to hoon around residential areas or places there are kids and i don't apologise to you people for driving the way i do.

tell you what - you people criticising my driving style - how many accidents have you had? i had 2, both when i was on my P's, inexperienced and driving a car that was probably too powerful for my abilities. the last 16 years have been incident free and have had me driving through snow, rain, day and night and for up to 12 hour stretches at a time. i have confidence in my ability, confidence in my common sense not to drive too fast for the conditions and confidence in my judgement, perception and reflexes. if you don't have confidence in your ability then drive as you feel appropriate, as will i

 

[Nyden]

yes yes sit there and make your assumptions about arrogance and overconfidence and my amazing ability to dodge the bricks that come raining from the sky every time i happen to drive under an underpass



this is a retarded example, if kids are lobbing bricks at cars from an overpass at night ( +difficulty) then the speed a person is travelling is largely irrelevant. if anything a faster moving target is harder to hit.



well i'm sorry if you are uncoordinated, have lousy perception or are just a crappy driver but thats not my fault (though on the road it is everyones problem). i see no reason why i should continually have to dumb myself and my actions down simply to cater for the lowest common denominator, but thats just the way society seems to be heading. i am perfectly capable of handling a car at above the speed limit and have the common sense to drive according to the conditions so i will continue to drive as i see fit. you can keep up the moral outrage if that makes you happy though.

anyway i suppose lowest common demoninator licensing is a good fit with our lowest common denominator education system.



thanks for your example, i'll file it in with the guy who drove to fast for 50 years without an accident and the pack a day smoker who died of old age. however you are right with the following ...



"inappropriate" speed and inattention are the biggest problems on the road. once again i go back to harp on about the point of teaching people how to drive properly and at an appropriate speed in the first place. 130k's on the F3 on a clear day is not an issue, 60k's through a school zone is.



no its not, its a rubbish propaganda slogan bandied about to manage the behaviour of the sheeple who have bugger all driving ability. plenty of people are capable of handling cars at higher speeds (german autobahns are testament) yet speed limits take in the lowest common denominator of driving skills, which is why i'd like to see different classes of licensing instead of handing them out to any dipsh1t with a pulse on their 17th birthday.



oh my god won't somebody think of the children??!!?? spare me the moralising.



i agree with this point, i always have, but don't let it interrupt your little sermon.



of course it has to be overconfidence. it couldn't possibly just be confidence in ones own ability and judgement could it? i'm sorry you people are all so pissed off that i don't obey the road rules but i am perfectly capable of handling a car at high speeds, i have the common sense not to hoon around residential areas or places there are kids and i don't apologise to you people for driving the way i do.

tell you what - you people criticising my driving style - how many accidents have you had? i had 2, both when i was on my P's, inexperienced and driving a car that was probably too powerful for my abilities. the last 16 years have been incident free and have had me driving through snow, rain, day and night and for up to 12 hour stretches at a time. i have confidence in my ability, confidence in my common sense not to drive too fast for the conditions and confidence in my judgement, perception and reflexes. if you don't have confidence in your ability then drive as you feel appropriate, as will i

Disarray,

I would first like to note that for a 34+ year old (unless of course, you had your Ps in your further 20s) you seem relatively immature?

Bragging about ones "god-like" driving skills seems to be more of a trait of a 22 year old, as opposed to someone of your age?

Assuming everyone uses their mobile phone when driving is nonsense, there's such a thing as hands-free kit. Assuming everyone drives too fast is also just rubbish - think you're some kind of tough guy defying road rules?

I'm sorry, but something about the wording you're using just seems very juvenile.

There are reasons for all the rules we have - from speeding, to mobile phones. All of these rules are the results of very detailed research; which are designed to be applied generically to a wide variety of vehicles, tyres, brake types, (and obviously a variety of driving ability!) etc. Which is also the reason we have road-worthy - to ensure vehicles meet as such criteria of safety.

You may be a good driver, but you are not perfect, and you never will be. Why should other drivers be at risk of your arrogance, do you not think one day whilst you're driving along above the speed limit, mobile in hand, that you may make a mistake? If you do, and if someone dies - you'll be up for a whole hell of a lot of criminal charges, & negligence suits.

 

[coolcricket]

yes yes sit there and make your assumptions about arrogance and overconfidence and my amazing ability to dodge the bricks that come raining from the sky every time i happen to drive under an underpass



this is a retarded example, if kids are lobbing bricks at cars from an overpass at night ( +difficulty) then the speed a person is travelling is largely irrelevant. if anything a faster moving target is harder to hit.



A retarded example?!!? Tell that to the people who have had a brick through their windscreen you arrogant prick.


well i'm sorry if you are uncoordinated, have lousy perception or are just a crappy driver but thats not my fault (though on the road it is everyones problem). i see no reason why i should continually have to dumb myself and my actions down simply to cater for the lowest common denominator, but thats just the way society seems to be heading. i am perfectly capable of handling a car at above the speed limit and have the common sense to drive according to the conditions so i will continue to drive as i see fit. you can keep up the moral outrage if that makes you happy though.

anyway i suppose lowest common demoninator licensing is a good fit with our lowest common denominator education system.



thanks for your example, i'll file it in with the guy who drove to fast for 50 years without an accident and the pack a day smoker who died of old age. however you are right with the following ...



"inappropriate" speed and inattention are the biggest problems on the road. once again i go back to harp on about the point of teaching people how to drive properly and at an appropriate speed in the first place. 130k's on the F3 on a clear day is not an issue, 60k's through a school zone is.



no its not, its a rubbish propaganda slogan bandied about to manage the behaviour of the sheeple who have bugger all driving ability. plenty of people are capable of handling cars at higher speeds (german autobahns are testament) yet speed limits take in the lowest common denominator of driving skills, which is why i'd like to see different classes of licensing instead of handing them out to any dipsh1t with a pulse on their 17th birthday.



oh my god won't somebody think of the children??!!?? spare me the moralising.



i agree with this point, i always have, but don't let it interrupt your little sermon.



of course it has to be overconfidence. it couldn't possibly just be confidence in ones own ability and judgement could it? i'm sorry you people are all so pissed off that i don't obey the road rules but i am perfectly capable of handling a car at high speeds, i have the common sense not to hoon around residential areas or places there are kids and i don't apologise to you people for driving the way i do.

tell you what - you people criticising my driving style - how many accidents have you had? i had 2, both when i was on my P's, inexperienced and driving a car that was probably too powerful for my abilities. the last 16 years have been incident free and have had me driving through snow, rain, day and night and for up to 12 hour stretches at a time. i have confidence in my ability, confidence in my common sense not to drive too fast for the conditions and confidence in my judgement, perception and reflexes. if you don't have confidence in your ability then drive as you feel appropriate, as will i

That sounds so much like a P plate driver its not funny.

 

[Pat]

it couldn't possibly just be confidence in ones own ability and judgement could it? i'm sorry you people are all so pissed off that i don't obey the road rules but i am perfectly capable of handling a car at high speeds, i have the common sense not to hoon around residential areas or places there are kids and i don't apologise to you people for driving the way i do.

No, it’s over confidence.
I don't think anyone is pissed off with your posts, just sharing their point of view with you. I'm sure everyone here speeds at times, but what your posting makes it sound like there is no risk and it is perfectly safe, which is ridiculous.

 

[Judd]

Glad that you can handle a car at high speeds disarray, in which case you, as a good driver, will be able to inform us, without assistance of any reference material, the stopping distance, inclusive of reaction time, of a vehicle traveling at 60 kph, 100 kph or 130 kph. All speeds are assumed to be on dry, hard, approximately level stretches of highway free from loose material.

 

[SevenFX]

Did you know that unlicensed driver’s syndrome rose by 2,000% in last 10 years or so?

People lose points, lose licence but still drive.

Where did you get that % from happy, and guessing they're the ones that got caught... but as high as it looks what % are they to the drivers that didn't drive while disqualified.

Eitherway driving while unlicenced, has a price to pay, and they run the bigger risk of jail or further disqualifications if they're lucky.

These people will always break the law beleiving they won't get caught, desipte getting caught which is why they're disqualified.

If you compare these people that have no reguard for the law to the masses that fear the law or jail and what it would do to their lives, then they are a very very small miniority of every population.

Soft Sentences for repeat offenders don't help at all.

SevenFX

 

[Mumbank]

Sorry, how did Peter (perfect) Brock die again???????????

 

[Aargh!]

Sorry, how did Peter (perfect) Brock die again???????????

He and mister Irwin had an allergy to fish tails...

 

[SevenFX]

Sorry, how did Peter (perfect) Brock die again???????????

1. Driver Fatigue.
2. Age to have played a part.
3. No Experience on that Circuit
4. Different Vehicle type
5. Tree in middle of road

SPEED wasn't high by comparison to what race drivers do, but consider 1-4 and speed for that corner would have to be included.

 

[Rapture]

yes yes sit there and make your assumptions about arrogance and overconfidence and my amazing ability to dodge the bricks that come raining from the sky every time i happen to drive under an underpass



this is a retarded example, if kids are lobbing bricks at cars from an overpass at night ( +difficulty) then the speed a person is travelling is largely irrelevant. if anything a faster moving target is harder to hit.



well i'm sorry if you are uncoordinated, have lousy perception or are just a crappy driver but thats not my fault (though on the road it is everyones problem). i see no reason why i should continually have to dumb myself and my actions down simply to cater for the lowest common denominator, but thats just the way society seems to be heading. i am perfectly capable of handling a car at above the speed limit and have the common sense to drive according to the conditions so i will continue to drive as i see fit. you can keep up the moral outrage if that makes you happy though.

anyway i suppose lowest common demoninator licensing is a good fit with our lowest common denominator education system.



thanks for your example, i'll file it in with the guy who drove to fast for 50 years without an accident and the pack a day smoker who died of old age. however you are right with the following ...



"inappropriate" speed and inattention are the biggest problems on the road. once again i go back to harp on about the point of teaching people how to drive properly and at an appropriate speed in the first place. 130k's on the F3 on a clear day is not an issue, 60k's through a school zone is.



no its not, its a rubbish propaganda slogan bandied about to manage the behaviour of the sheeple who have bugger all driving ability. plenty of people are capable of handling cars at higher speeds (german autobahns are testament) yet speed limits take in the lowest common denominator of driving skills, which is why i'd like to see different classes of licensing instead of handing them out to any dipsh1t with a pulse on their 17th birthday.



oh my god won't somebody think of the children??!!?? spare me the moralising.



i agree with this point, i always have, but don't let it interrupt your little sermon.



of course it has to be overconfidence. it couldn't possibly just be confidence in ones own ability and judgement could it? i'm sorry you people are all so pissed off that i don't obey the road rules but i am perfectly capable of handling a car at high speeds, i have the common sense not to hoon around residential areas or places there are kids and i don't apologise to you people for driving the way i do.

tell you what - you people criticising my driving style - how many accidents have you had? i had 2, both when i was on my P's, inexperienced and driving a car that was probably too powerful for my abilities. the last 16 years have been incident free and have had me driving through snow, rain, day and night and for up to 12 hour stretches at a time. i have confidence in my ability, confidence in my common sense not to drive too fast for the conditions and confidence in my judgement, perception and reflexes. if you don't have confidence in your ability then drive as you feel appropriate, as will i

Ha Ha Ha ... Thank you .. You very amusing ..... Are you real ?? I have met arrogance and self absorption before but this no sets a new benchmark ... ... How old did you say you were again ?? My teenager sounds more mature you than you ... and he knows everything ...

You may think you are a great driver , but don't forget you share the roads with others .. You may wish to defy the rules and make your own up , but its arrogant p****s like you who cause most damage .. Be curteous to all of us who are unfortunate enough to share the road with you as not everything is in our control.. Not even for an immortal like you..

 

[Rapture]

Sorry, how did Peter (perfect) Brock die again???????????

He obviously didn't have disarray's talent and expertise...

 

[Happy]

MAN SUSPENDED UNTIL 2033 CAUGHT DRIVING

From ABC, 23 Mar. 07

Police say a man whose driver's licence is suspended until 2033 has been caught behind the wheel of a car in north-western Sydney.
Highway patrol officers stopped the car at Kellyville Ridge last night.
They did a registration check and then searched the car and say a knife was found.
The 29-year-old driver was arrested and charged with driving while disqualified, driving an unregistered and uninsured car and carrying a knife in a public place.
He is expected to face court later today.

I cannot find post on ABC regarding % increase, but found this from March this year, which seem to be new trend.

Almost time to make thread to be more relevant to speed, fines, licenses.