Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[explod]

This is what gets me too. What is it about Schapelle Corby that makes her so much more worrying about than any of the others?

It is not about Corby but some variable legal principals. If you are not interested in justice then go away.

This thread does hold the interest of some as an argument and on the varying perceptions of right and wrong. And it is perhaps as legitimate as "Solley's chat thread" or anything else that takes a your fancy.

However the reality is that if some of the averments, that Corby has been dealt a bad deal or some of the defenses are perhaps true, then it hits a sore spot in us. We don't want to know, only want to think straight forward, as; found, guilty and then locked away. The real world is far from that but to achieve the last point some jurisdictions can do as they like and no one will disturb the status quo. Corruption thrives on it. I like everyone else do not really know but I do suspect there is more to it than meets the eye and is the reason why this thread will not lie down.

 

[trainspotter]

It is not about Corby but some variable legal principals. If you are not interested in justice then go away.

This thread does hold the interest of some as an argument and on the varying perceptions of right and wrong. And it is perhaps as legitimate as "Solley's chat thread" or anything else that takes a your fancy.

However the reality is that if some of the averments, that Corby has been dealt a bad deal or some of the defenses are perhaps true, then it hits a sore spot in us. We don't want to know, only want to think straight forward, as; found, guilty and then locked away. The real world is far from that but to achieve the last point some jurisdictions can do as they like and no one will disturb the status quo. Corruption thrives on it. I like everyone else do not really know but I do suspect there is more to it than meets the eye and is the reason why this thread will not lie down.

Justice has been served. She was caught with 4kg of hydro mull at Denpasar airport. Guilty. Case closed.

 

[Honourable]

Someone else just happened to have the right size bag full of dope to fit into Corby’s boogie-board bag and form it into shape. They then flush roughly $45k down the drain and leave it in there. Nobody notices the extra weight as both carried it at different times. Then two custom's officers at Bali find the pot, and for no good reason decide to lie their ar$e off. All of Indonesia’s legal system then goes on a vendetta against her.

The two plastic bags of marijuana (one within the other) were a certain size. From the point of view of the person or persons who inserted those plastic bags into Schapelle's boogie-board bag, her bag just happened to be the right shape and size for their purposes, which is why they put the drugs in there.

The drugs could have been inserted in Brisbane for transportation to Sydney, they could have come in from South America, along with the $300,000 worth of cocaine that arrived while Schapelle's boogie-board was on the ground in the Sydney International Airport terminal baggage handling area, or they could have been inserted in Bali before the bag passed through customs.

There was a police presence on the ground in the Sydney International Airport terminal that day, conducting "Operation Mocha,' a joint investigation by Australian Federal Police and the NSW Crime Commission into a drug syndication ring operating through that airport.

Perhaps on the day, it was too difficult to retrieve the drugs, so they were written off.

Perhaps the cocaine was considered to be of far greater value, so the drug smuggling ring concentrated their efforts on smuggling it into the country, past the police presence, and the marijuana (possibly from South America) was hidden in Schapelle's bag for later retrieval, which did not happen for some reason.

Perhaps the Bali Police, in orchestrating a high profile capital case, to improve their international standing in the war on drugs, and receive UN 'War on Drugs' funding, considered 4kg of Ganja (which would later be burnt), to be a small price to pay for millions in funding.

Sorry, but Schapelle and her brother did handle the bag at different times, can't help that.

Why would the Customs Officers lie? Whether the drugs were inserted in Bali or Australia, the Balinese Police wanted a conviction in this case. Either they orchestrated the case or they seized upon it as a gift from Allah. A conviction was going to enhance their international standing in the war on drugs, and place them in a good position for 'War on Drugs' funding. As my previous post shows, two pieces of incriminating evidence are required by Indonesian Law to secure a conviction. With no other secondary evidence available to the Prosecution, lying testimony was all that they had left. The Police are a very powerful body within Indonesia, and their actions very often above the law. They would have briefed the two Customs Officers and two Junior Police Officers, who were present in Denpasar Airport that day, in exactly what to say, to ensure that they got a conviction.

As for Indonesia's legal system having a vendetta against Schapelle - Chief Judge Linton Sirait, and his two fellow Judges, who had never acquitted a defendant in their entire careers, did what they always do. 'Granat,' the anti-drugs campaigners in Indonesia, did march once calling for Schapelle's execution, and did hold banners with a similar message up to the court windows on one occasion. Schapelle did receive one of the highest sentences for a marijuana related crime in Indonesian legal history, and every second of her sham trial was filmed by the World's press, so everyone could see how tough Indonesia is on drugs.

Have a look at this link: http://www.schapelle.net/propositions/

 

[Honourable]

Justice has been served. She was caught with 4kg of hydro mull at Denpasar airport. Guilty. Case closed.

Despite my earlier post, you say something like this?? And with nothing to back up your mistaken opinion.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink!

 

[Honourable]

I have a question for you Honourable please, since you say that you are so close to this family.

Since you keep going on that Schapelle is innocent, is she covering up for her brother?

No, she is not. She has consistently said that she would not be doing time for another family member.

She did not insert those drugs, and neither did anyone else in her family. I am certain of this.

 

[Honourable]

This is what gets me too. What is it about Schapelle Corby that makes her so much more worrying about than any of the others?

I choose to help Schapelle Corby because she is a friend of mine, her family are friends of mine, and she is innocent.

Many other innocent people around the World, who have been wrongfully imprisoned as well, deserve to be helped also.

So, find a person deserving of your help, and start helping them.

 

[Honourable]

Just a few quick questions honourable one.

Have you joined this board solely for the purpose of contributing to this thread? I ask because I notice you have not posted anything related to shares or in any other threads.

You have stated that you've known the family for 25yrs, but only have been studying this case for 3 yrs.

I may choose to contribute to other threads in time, and I am interested in buying some shares in the near future. However, with my wife in hospital right now, buying shares is not a priority.

Schapelle was only arrested 5 and a half years ago. I supported her from day one. At the time of her arrest I was writing a book about my family's history which took up all my spare time. 3 years ago, when my book was completed, I read 'Schapelle Corby - My Story' and became a fully active supporter. I have been studying her case since then.

 

[Tink]

I am sorry but I dont agree about her family not being involved.

Her brother has been in jail to do with drugs

We have heard all this regurgitated rubbish over and over again.

Why tell the truth when you can keep people wondering??

 

[trainspotter]

Despite my earlier post, you say something like this?? And with nothing to back up your mistaken opinion.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink!

Ummmmmm let me see now. Her boogie board cover had 4kg of hydro mull inside it and she was in the Denpasar Airport (been there myself 15 times already so quite familiar with due proces of entering Bali) She admitted the boogie board cover was hers. She was arrested. She went to an Indonesian Court and was found guilty of importing the aforementioned dope. Case closed.

Tell me again how I am mistaken? These are cold hard facts in the light of day for all to see.

Now your "opinion" is that she is innocent and you do not have any supporting evidence other than a lot of speculation as to what should/could/would have been done to prove her innocence. Alas this has not happened. Ergo she is guilty.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

 

[nulla nulla]

Ummmmmm let me see now. Her boogie board cover had 4kg of hydro mull inside it and she was in the Denpasar Airport (been there myself 15 times already so quite familiar with due proces of entering Bali) She admitted the boogie board cover was hers. She was arrested. She went to an Indonesian Court and was found guilty of importing the aforementioned dope. Case closed.

Tell me again how I am mistaken? These are cold hard facts in the light of day for all to see.

Now your "opinion" is that she is innocent and you do not have any supporting evidence other than a lot of speculation as to what should/could/would have been done to prove her innocence. Alas this has not happened. Ergo she is guilty.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Very eloquently put Trainspotter. However, I fear that no end of stating the obvious, will sway those set on their misguided path of protesting her purity and innocence.

 

[Julia]

So, find a person deserving of your help, and start helping them.

It's up to you what projects you undertake, but kindly do not tell me what to do. You would have no idea whom I currently help and why.

 

[nunthewiser]

Despite my earlier post, you say something like this?? And with nothing to back up your mistaken opinion. !

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Perhaps on the day, it was too difficult to retrieve the drugs, so they were written off.

Perhaps the cocaine was considered to be of far greater value, so the drug smuggling ring concentrated their efforts on smuggling it into the country, past the police presence, and the marijuana (possibly from South America) was hidden in Schapelle's bag for later retrieval, which did not happen for some reason.


. Either they orchestrated the case or they seized upon it as a gift from Allah.

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She did not insert those drugs, and neither did anyone else in her family. I am certain of this.

ROFLMAO.

HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST!

:shake:

 

[pilots]

Friends of ours have just come back from Bali, they was telling us how they watched a group of Australians pick up surf and boogie boards at the air port, none of them was asked by customs to open them, strange that the Cobys had to open her bag and bingo we have drugs, you would have to say they knew it was coming.

 

[trainspotter]

Friends of ours have just come back from Bali, they was telling us how they watched a group of Australians pick up surf and boogie boards at the air port, none of them was asked by customs to open them, strange that the Cobys had to open her bag and bingo we have drugs, you would have to say they knew it was coming.

As previously posted I have been to Bali may times. How it works is that by the time you get off the plane, you walk about 1 kilometre to get to the holding area, then you line up for another half an hour to get your passport stamped and give the Indonesian Govt USD $25 each, you venture forth through another corridor passed armed guards to go to the baggage handling area. BY THE TIME you get there the BAG BOYS have grabbed your bags and bundled them onto a trolley. You can get them to take your bags to ANOTHER screening area with more armed guards and officials or YOU CAN CHOOSE to carry the bags yourself.

Most people DO NOT carry the bags themselves because they think the handlers are there to help them (actually they are Govt approved) and the BAG BOYS place your baggage through the X RAY machines. Once cleared they put your bags back onto the trolleys and wheel you passed the money changers and into the car park. WHEREBY you pay them 50,000 Rupiah for their efforts.

OR you carry your own bags and save yourself $6.00. NOT WORTH IT !!

So I am stunned to understand how is it that the BAG BOYS chose not to handle the boogie board cover and it becomes apparent to the Customs Officials that this particular piece of luggage is SO ****ING IMPORTANT ??

 

[Honourable]

Tell you what get all the Corby supporters to pay for a legit professional polygraph test from a respected authority. And if she passes I am sure you will have all of Australia backing her with renewed interest.
I'm not interested in all your facts about bag testing and the like, after so many conflicting stories from others. I don't have the reasoning of the prosecutions actions
I also don't care about excuses that other prisoners don't have to be subjected to polygraph test to prove innocence. You want her supported, then try something new that will change people’s perceptions of her guilt.

Firstly, they are not my facts, I don't own them, they are the facts.

A polygraph test? Sounds like a great idea, however, all the while Schapelle remains in Kerobokan Prison this will never be allowed to happen. The prison authorities would never sanction such a thing.

What we do have, however, is the opinion of Professor Paul Wilson who testified for the defense at Schapelle's 'trial'.
http://works.bepress.com/paul_wilson/
He stated that she did not fit the profile of a drug mule and should be allowed to go home. He also said, "I can honestly say that she did not know there were drugs in her bag."

We also have Dr Paul Ekman and Professor David Canter who, on the '60 Minutes' program aired last year, examined Schapelle's interview with Liz Hayes conducted back in Late 2004.
Dr Ekman couldn't call it, but Professor Canter was convinced that Schapelle was telling the truth during that interview.
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com/stories/847286/unmasking-the-truth

 

[Honourable]

I am sorry but I dont agree about her family not being involved.

Her brother has been in jail to do with drugs

Her half brother James has been in jail, and drugs were involved. However, his crime had NOTHING to do with the drug trade, and was committed in January 2006, 15 months after Schapelle's arrest.
At the time he travelled with Schapelle to Bali, he was 17 years old, still at school, a model pupil, and a school Captain.

This comes from one of my blogs:

Do I suspect her father of inserting the drugs? No, I do not!
He loved his daughter and vice-versa. She was his baby girl, the youngest of his children, and they shared a very special bond. She was the one living with him, and caring for him, as he slowly died of cancer. He would never have done anything like this to her.
When he did finally die, in January 2008, she was the one and only family member who could not attend his funeral.

Do I suspect her brothers of inserting the drugs? Once again, No! - For the following reasons:
Firstly, not one of them would have had the money to buy $35,000 worth of marijuana.
Secondly, they would not do this to their sister - slip 4 kilos of marijuana in clear plastic bags into her boogie-board bag, on top of her boogie-board, without telling her, and let her fly off to a country that has the death penalty for drug trafficking. I know them well enough to say this with certainty.

 

[Honourable]

ROFLMAO.

HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST!

:shake:

We do not know who inserted the drugs in Schapelle Corby's boogie-board bag. We only know that she did not. If we knew who inserted them, we could use this information to free her. The only people who know this are the people who did it.

As such, we can only speculate, which is why the Propositions blog, to which I provided the link, was created.

Other possibilities include:
They could have been planted by the Police to get I Made Mangku Pastika, the Bali Police Chief, back into favour with Indonesia's elite. This is a strong possibility because the Corby case achieved precisely that.

They could have been planted as a decoy, to allow the passage of a large quantity of hard drugs out of Bali that day to go unnoticed, drugs possibly destined for Australia.

They could also have been planted as an act of revenge because Australia, and Australians, are despised in Indonesia for bringing about the loss of East Timor, and for being the interfering force behind the conviction of Abu Bakar Bashir.

Before you dismiss my answer to moXJO's post, calling it Hypocrisy, look at the link I provided, and see how my answer relates to the information in this blog:
http://www.schapelle.net/propositions/

 

[Honourable]

It's up to you what projects you undertake, but kindly do not tell me what to do. You would have no idea whom I currently help and why.

My answer was not intended to offend. However, we see on the internet all the time, people berating us for supporting Schapelle Corby when there are "so many others more deserving of support than this guilty drug smuggler."

My answer is always the same. We support Schapelle because we believe she is innocent. If you think someone else deserves support, then go support them.

I saw your post as just such an attack, and I gave my standard response. If you are already helping others, then good on you.

 

[Honourable]

She went to an Indonesian Court and was found guilty of importing the aforementioned dope. Case closed

Indonesia is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Article 11.

* (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

Schapelle was not given all the guarantees necessary for her defence.

She was denied fingerprinting of the plastic bags.

She was denied a weight comparison of her baggage, to determine whether it was 4kg heavier than when checked in.

She was denied forensic testing of the drugs to determine THC content (which would have established the quality of the drugs - bush weed or hydro) and place of origin.

She was denied access to the CCTV footage from the camera above the Customs Counter, which could have corroborated her story about what happened, and what was said, when the boogie-board bag was placed on the counter.

Her own sworn statement, and the testimony of all her witnesses was dismissed.

Not a single Judge in the panel of 3 had ever acquitted a defendant, and Chief Judge Linton Sirait had presided over 500 previous drug related trials.

These are indisputable FACTS!

As such, her trial was a sham, and any verdict coming out of it has no credibility.

She was judged guilty, no one is denying that. We don't like it, but we have to live with it. Schapelle Corby has to live with it. But this does not make it right!

 

[Tink]

Her half brother James has been in jail, and drugs were involved. However, his crime had NOTHING to do with the drug trade, and was committed in January 2006, 15 months after Schapelle's arrest.
At the time he travelled with Schapelle to Bali, he was 17 years old, still at school, a model pupil, and a school Captain.

Oh yep, they are all model citizens, model pupils and Mother Teresa in your book.

As I said, good luck on your quest. I dont believe she is innocent.

End of story for me.