Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

explod said:

Getting back to Corby, there is an instinct to protect family and friends and the video clips of her expression at the time confronted indicated to me she may have been in this mode. What I am putting up a wild ideas to ballance the wild ideas about the hangum mentality and understanding (it seems to me) of law in society today.

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Do you mean the video clip of her banging her head (or was that later in court)? I thought that might indicate she was thinking something like " Oh crap, I've left the kettle on at home".

nulla nulla said:

Do you mean the video clip of her banging her head (or was that later in court)? I thought that might indicate she was thinking something like " Oh crap, I've left the kettle on at home".

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The one that stuck in my mind was a news clip where her and customs officer first met at the airport. And her eyes became moist and as big as dinner plates. And oh sh.t expression.

However it could be interpreted in many ways. It is just my own gut feel based on interaction with many people over many years. Of course very inconclusive. Just my observations as a civilian and concern for civil rights.

The law is the law in Indonesia of course. That does not mean we have to sit on our hands though. IMHO

explod;550131. said:

Just my observations as a civilian and concern for civil rights.

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Give it a break. Your inane comments indicate that you know nothing about policing. Your nonsense about "good crims" and "her eyes became moist and as big as dinner plates" and "us Aussies do not dob" (meaning you and Corby) indicates that you would have been psychologically unsuited for law enforcement.

What exactly did you do in the police force. You would have been too big a softie to handle real law enforcement. Were you in Traffic?

Don't care explod if you were a copper or not. None of my business. You have an opinion and you are entitled to it. Stick to your guns.

In the meantime I suggest some of you click on this link and have a read ... very interesting.

Some interesting stuff here:- http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/...700677359.html

Twelve hours later, when the bag was opened at Ngurah Rai Airport in Denpasar, it was found to contain the boogie board, flippers - and 4.1 kilograms of top-quality hydroponic marijuana in two plastic bags, one inside the other, the size of a pillow case, placed in front of the boogie board next to the opening flap. It was the local customs officers' biggest marijuana intercept. Within 24 hours, the local media had dubbed Corby the "Ganja Queen". "They think she's beautiful," an interpreter said. "They're fascinated."

Shocked, at times tearful, Corby said she had never seen the marijuana before. She insisted it must have been inserted in her luggage during transit. So any video images showing the boogie board bag's size and shape while it was in Corby's care were important. Her defence lawyers asked for them. But the closed circuit TV at the Brisbane Qantas check-in was experiencing problems and any images recorded that morning were wiped 25 days later.

The weights of the bags were not individually recorded but together they totalled 65 kilograms. The four bags were recorded in Corby's name, the four tags clipped onto her boarding pass cover. The weight of these bags when they were checked in and their weight on arrival in Bali was crucial evidence to test Corby's claim. In Bali, customs and police ignored it.

Very odd to say the least ??

I would say she has no chance of returning home through these insanity pleas.
The only way to recieve some form of clemency would be to admit guilt, I believe the Indonesians have said as much.
However, this will have its own repercussions. Channell 7 might want their cash back from Mercedes, for a start.


Honourable, in your time of knowing the Corby's, did you ever meet Malcolm McCauley?

spooly74 said:

I would say she has no chance of returning home through these insanity pleas.
The only way to recieve some form of clemency would be to admit guilt, I believe the Indonesians have said as much.
However, this will have its own repercussions. Channell 7 might want their cash back from Mercedes, for a start.


Honourable, in your time of knowing the Corby's, did you ever meet Malcolm McCauley?

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spooly mate, Honourable is gorne. Forever probably.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

spooly mate, Honourable is gorne. Forever probably.

gg

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Gorne, but not forgotten. Whoever rescues the fair maiden gets her hand in marriage. He is still in contention although there are many contenders. It would be a real let down if she really was mad. Ophelia pulled the same trick and ended up dead.

spooly74 said:

I would say she has no chance of returning home through these insanity pleas.
The only way to recieve some form of clemency would be to admit guilt, I believe the Indonesians have said as much.
However, this will have its own repercussions. Channell 7 might want their cash back from Mercedes, for a start.


Honourable, in your time of knowing the Corby's, did you ever meet Malcolm McCauley?

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If Corby is guilty, and if an admission of guilt would in some manner advance her chances of release, then the fact that she has not made such an admission might mean something.

As for Channel 7 getting their money back from Mercedes, I suggest that an acquaintance with the facts and claims in that case would render such a scenario utterly out of the question, not least because slander is not retrospective. (in other words, if I slander you by saying you broke such and such law, and you successfully sue me (and I'm forced to pay up), even if subsequent events prove you really did break that law, I wouldn't necessarily get my money back (depends on legal appeals process, I would assume).

As an aside, as I've said elsewhere, this story hasn't really started yet.

P.

I do wish people would stop resurrecting this thread.

On the one hand her supporters portray her as an innocent 20 something airbrushed Mother Theresa.

On the other her opponents paint her as an evil drug runner or donkey for someone else, from a family with an alleged dubious past.

I really do not know what to believe anymore.

Perhaps it is time to repatriate her to Australia.

Kevin Rudd could do it if he had the balls.

Let us have no more talk on this subject from now on.

Going over old theories and evidence will not bring her home.

Only Kevin can do it.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

spooly mate, Honourable is gorne. Forever probably.

gg

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No, not 'gorne' just very pre-occupied right now.

My spouse is in hospital undergoing very extensive treatment for cancer and, as I said once before when pressured for an answer to a question, the fight for Schapelle's life is very time consuming. When allocating my time to various matters, these two will always take priority.

However, it does appear that I have been missed here. I am touched.

Rest assured, I will get back to you all in the near future.

Calliope said:

Gorne, but not forgotten. Whoever rescues the fair maiden gets her hand in marriage. He is still in contention although there are many contenders. It would be a real let down if she really was mad. Ophelia pulled the same trick and ended up dead.

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Calliope, clearly you don't have too much to add to the debate, do you?

Your suggestion that I am supporting Schapelle simply for the chance to marry her, is pathetic.

Firstly, I am already married, and secondly, I support Schapelle for far more honourable reasons, the main one being that she is innocent.

When I said I loved Schapelle like a daughter, I meant that I loved her in a platonic way of course. And yet, you have tried to take what I said to a smutty level, in an attempt to ridicule me. Frankly though, I think it is you who has come across as ridiculous.

spooly74 said:

The only way to recieve some form of clemency would be to admit guilt, I believe the Indonesians have said as much.
However, this will have its own repercussions. Channell 7 might want their cash back from Mercedes, for a start.


Honourable, in your time of knowing the Corby's, did you ever meet Malcolm McCauley?

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Spooly74, there is no requirement under Indonesia's clemency laws for Schapelle to admit guilt. The idea that Schapelle must admit guilt in order to be released on humanitarian grounds, is one that the Australian government is feeding the Australian people through the media, and once again you are all buying their lies. It is False.

The Australian government, who know that Schapelle is innocent, want her to lie and admit guilt to cover up for all their lies, their cover-ups, and their corruption. If Schapelle does confess to a crime she did not commit, it will have been forced upon her, a mentally ill woman in a foreign prison, by her own government.

The business between Mercedes and Channel 7 had nothing to do with Schapelle. 'Today Tonight' defamed Mercedes, she won the case and they paid up. Nothing that Schapelle says will have any bearing on this.

No, I have not met Malcolm McCauley, ever, and he needs to pray that I never do. His lies in relation to Schapelle and her father caused the family no end of grief. He is nothing but scum.

nulla nulla said:

I wonder if a blood and urine test at the time would have proven positive and matched the dna of the drugs in her boogie bag?

All this hoo haa about the sovereign country of Indonesia not making available a sample of the marijuana taken from Schapelles boogie board bag, to Australian agencies to test. Get real. Since when has any sovereign country been obliged to have evidence tested by another sovereign country? Particularly a country where one of their nationals has just been aprehended at the international airport, carrying a boogie bagged stuffed with drugs to the immigration/customs check point.

Caught, tried, convicted and sentenced.

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Not long after her arrest, Schapelle underwent both blood and urine tests for drugs. She tested negative to ALL drugs. She was not a drug user. Not only this, in all her time in Kerobokan Prison, where every kind of illicit drug is readily available, she has never once used them.

Nulla Nulla, I am quite certain that if you ever found yourself in the situation that Schapelle Corby found herself, namely, innocent, yet facing a possible death sentence, you would want access to any and all evidence that could prove your innocence.

Australia and Indonesia have a 'Mutual Assistance Treaty in Criminal Matters'. Australia has a similar treaty with a number of other countries. This treaty exists to allow co-operation between the two countries in solving crimes, and preventing further crime.

Under this treaty, it was quite reasonable for the AFP to carry out forensic testing of the drugs, and of any hair or skin fragments found amongst the drugs, if the Balinese Police were not capable of doing so. Schapelle was advised by the Consul-General that it would be in her interests to get the drugs tested and she signed a consent form on the 3rd December 2004 allowing the AFP to conduct the tests.

The Balinese Police subsequently refused to provide the AFP with a sample, and a sample stolen by her legal team could not be tested, because no lab in Australia would touch it, being that it was stolen evidence. The court would not have accepted their findings anyway, being that it was stolen evidence.

And yet, had the drugs been tested, and been found to have come from anywhere other than South East Queensland, this evidence alone could have proved Schapelle's innocence.

There has been some suggestion that Schapelle's sister, Mercedes, put a stop to any forensic testing being carried out. This is simply not true, as testing was never an option due to the refusal of the Balinese Police to provide a sample.

Caught, tried, convicted and sentenced - Yes, I agree.

Caught - with someone else's drugs.

Tried - under the Indonesian legal system, where defense evidence was either disallowed, dismissed or not considered necessary.

Convicted - by a panel of Judges who had never acquitted a defendant in their entire careers. Chief Judge, Linton Sirait, had presided over 500 drug related cases before Schapelle's, and he openly boasted about the fact that he had convicted in every case.

Sentenced - to 20 years, one of the highest sentences ever handed down in Indonesian legal history for a marijuana related crime.

nulla nulla said:

In my opinion this is crap. 4 Kilograms of marijuana would still be bulky even if it had been vacuum packed before being placed in the boogie bag.
Take 4 kilograms of butter or meat out of your fridge and see how bulky it is and feel the weight when you pick it up. This is not lead or gold which has a higher density/mass than plant material and would be low in bulk due to its' high mass density. It was marijuana, plant material.
A 4 kilo bag would be bulky and the additional weight in the boogie bag would be immediately noticeable.

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I have had pillows in space bags, and have quite successfully flattened them to just over 1 inch thick.

As I have already said, Schapelle's brother took the boogie-board bag to the Customs Counter. Schapelle did not handle it until she picked it up from the floor to place it on the counter. Whether or not she noticed the extra weight at that time, I do not know, but even if she had done, what good would it have done her at that stage. She had just admitted to owning the boogie-board bag and it had her name on it. What was she going to say? "Whoops, wrong bag!"

pilots said:

When the customs officer asker her to open the bag, she said I AM IN TROUBLE AIN'T I, now what would make her say that??????????

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The Customs Officer did not ask her to open the bag, she willingly opened it for inspection.

She did not say "I am in trouble, aint I," in fact, she did not say anything at that time. She willingly opened the bag, saw the marijuana, and in a panic closed the bag again.

She did not actually say anything until the Customs Officer ordered her brother, James, to pick up the bag and take it to the Customs Room, and then she only said, "This is my boogie-board bag, I'll carry it. Why does my brother have to carry it?"

He said, "He carry it, not you, you stay here."

James subsequently carried the bag into the Customs Room and Schapelle was left standing in the terminal. In fact, she could have picked up the rest of her luggage and left the airport, but not prepared to leave her younger brother alone to deal with this, she walked into the room to help him, and in doing so, took her first steps on the road to hell.

Garpal Gumnut said:

She sounds a bit like Mother Theresa on your description. Can you cite some objective evidence of these incredible qualities.

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I am not suggesting that Schapelle Corby is like Mother Theresa. You are the one who has made that analogy.

I am merely saying that she has a lovely personality. She was always a clean living person and once a very fun loving person, with a smile on her face. That smile, and sparkle in her eyes, have long since gone.

She was the one caring for her dying father, and she always appears to care about others more than she cares about herself.

She is very compassionate, and feels other's pain. Despite having shed many tears in her own misery, since this tragedy began, she can still find some tears for others when she knows they are suffering nearby.

She is also very generous, sharing all her possessions and food with those fellow prisoners who have no support on the outside.

If you really want to get to know Schapelle Corby better, try reading her book - "Schapelle Corby - My Story" co-authored by Kathryn Bonella, published by Pan Macmillan Australia. Give it a go, it's only a book, it wont bite you, and you may be surprised at what you will learn about her case.

Honourable said:

The Customs Officer did not ask her to open the bag, she willingly opened it for inspection.

She did not say "I am in trouble, aint I," in fact, she did not say anything at that time. She willingly opened the bag, saw the marijuana, and in a panic closed the bag again.

She did not actually say anything until the Customs Officer ordered her brother, James, to pick up the bag and take it to the Customs Room, and then she only said, "This is my boogie-board bag, I'll carry it. Why does my brother have to carry it?"

He said, "He carry it, not you, you stay here."

James subsequently carried the bag into the Customs Room and Schapelle was left standing in the terminal. In fact, she could have picked up the rest of her luggage and left the airport, but not prepared to leave her younger brother alone to deal with this, she walked into the room to help him, and in doing so, took her first steps on the road to hell.

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Is that so, have you read the transcripts from the trial????
Sorry mate but the sister DID STOP THE TESTING OF THE STOLEN DRUGS

Honourable said:

Caught, tried, convicted and sentenced - Yes, I agree.

Caught - with someone else's drugs.

Tried - under the Indonesian legal system, where defense evidence was either disallowed, dismissed or not considered necessary.

Convicted - by a panel of Judges who had never acquitted a defendant in their entire careers. Chief Judge, Linton Sirait, had presided over 500 drug related cases before Schapelle's, and he openly boasted about the fact that he had convicted in every case.

Sentenced - to 20 years, one of the highest sentences ever handed down in Indonesian legal history for a marijuana related crime.

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There's one more:

Sold - down the drain, by the Australian government, who did nothing tangible to help Schapelle, but who subsequently did everything possible to turn the Australian people away from her, and her family, and crush all support for her. Judging from most of the comments on this forum, they did a very good job.

Why did they do this? - because Australia's relationship with Indonesia was considered to be more important than Schapelle's human rights. She is the daughter of a working class family and was therefore considered to be expendable. Had she been the daughter of a high ranking politician, it would have been a different story.

pilots said:

Is that so, have you read the transcripts from the trial????
Sorry mate but the sister DID STOP THE TESTING OF THE STOLEN DRUGS

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I am well aware that the Prosecution's principle witness, Gusti Winata, gave a different account of what happened when the boogie-board bag arrived at the Customs Counter.

It was Schapelle's word versus his word.

Schapelle and her legal team requested that the CCTV footage from the camera above the Customs Counter be introduced into court, to prove that Schapelle was telling the truth, and that the Customs Officer was lying. The Judge initially agreed to look into it, but in the end the request was denied.

Would Schapelle have asked for this footage if it was going to show that she was lying - of course not!

If the Prosecution really wanted to prove their case, why didn't they ask for this footage?

Why did the Judge deny the request? Shouldn't he have wanted to see who was lying, before handing down a 20 year sentence?

Regarding the testing of the stolen evidence, I don't intend to argue with you. I have known Mercedes Corby for 25 years. I think I am in a better position to know what did, or did not happen, in relation to this matter.

Honourable said:

I am well aware that the Prosecution's principle witness, Gusti Winata, gave a different account of what happened when the boogie-board bag arrived at the Customs Counter.

It was Schapelle's word versus his word.

Schapelle and her legal team requested that the CCTV footage from the camera above the Customs Counter be introduced into court, to prove that Schapelle was telling the truth, and that the Customs Officer was lying. The Judge initially agreed to look into it, but in the end the request was denied.

Would Schapelle have asked for this footage if it was going to show that she was lying - of course not!

If the Prosecution really wanted to prove their case, why didn't they ask for this footage?

Why did the Judge deny the request? Shouldn't he have wanted to see who was lying, before handing down a 20 year sentence?

Regarding the testing of the stolen evidence, I don't intend to argue with you. I have known Mercedes Corby for 25 years. I think I am in a better position to know what did, or did not happen, in relation to this matter.

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My QUESTION to you is WHY did Mercedes stop them from testing the stolen drug sample??????????