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I should have also mentioned that they have cash of $31 million, with liabilities of about $10m.
The market cap is also about $31 million.
I've had a quick look and didn't find anything glaringly obvious.
I've had a quick look and didn't find anything glaringly obvious. On the face it, its very cheap and not that ugly. Have taken a position (0.065) - a sensible risk managed position size - because I don't know much about it yet other than it's superficially cheap.
Thanks rcm for bringing it to the forums attentions
The one thing that I found a little: was the "MEGA RICH INTERNATIONAL CREATION Ltd" Hong Kong Based company that is the middle rung of their corporate structure lol!!
Short of this being a scam/fraud, this one is very cheap.
Andrew Plympton, I assume it is the same bloke, turned the St Kilda football club around in the 90s. Under his watch their financial position improved extensively, and on the field they made two grand finals against Adelaide.The only concern for me is the board of directors. While they have a board of directors that includes two Australians, their recent directorships haven't exactly brought about significant success (e.g. Plympton with NZX:MAD, ASX:ENT, ASX:BSI [I think this changed names])
The threads for this company over at Hotcopper are running hot at the moment. Didn't really find anything too illuminating on there unfortunately. Just the usual ramping / opportunity of a life time comments.
Short of this being a scam/fraud, this one is very cheap.
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The only concern for me is the board of directors. While they have a board of directors that includes two Australians, their recent directorships haven't exactly brought about significant success (e.g. Plympton with NZX:MAD, ASX:ENT, ASX:BSI [I think this changed names])
Hmmm...
Myself and another poster have been discussing this company for a few weeks via PM. While neither of us could put a finger on a single smoking gun, the impression we both got was that the further you dig the more it starts to smell.
1. Who were the sellers in the IPO? 55% of shares held by the MD, with the remaining spreading across 11 companies.
2. What do these companies have in common? See Schedule 1 of the announcement on 2/12/2013. Where are they all based in?
3. Who were the buyers of the IPO? Hint: compare the Top 20 holders on 25/11/2013 to the Schedule 1 above. Who stood out?
4. The new big holder from 3 above... what his/her story? Try googling her name.
5. For those who take comfort in Grant Thornton being the Auditor. Who was the auditor for Sino-Forest? The answer is EY. Who was the internal auditor for Eratat Lifestyle (a Chinese fashion house recently defaulted on a $5m interest payment, while claiming to have $600m in cash)?
6. Speaking of interest... how much interest do you expect to earn on the $28m cash pile?
7. Directors... how much have these directors been paid? How much work do you expect them to perform at this pay scale?
8. Dividends. They paid 0.06c (i.e. $0.0006) in dividend to holders. That's <$300k. If someone chooses to see that as comforting then he/she is easily impressed.
1. Who were the sellers in the IPO? 55% of shares held by the MD, with the remaining spreading across 11 companies. Correct - not particularly unusual for a private company.
2. What do these companies have in common? See Schedule 1 of the announcement on 2/12/2013. Where are they all based in? All bar XU and one other registered in the Virgin Islands - Probably not that unusual for wealthy Chineses investors, and perhaps speaks to the companies being 'related' - I would be surprised if they are not related parties in a private company.
3. Who were the buyers of the IPO? Hint: compare the Top 20 holders on 25/11/2013 to the Schedule 1 above. Who stood out? Ms Shanshan Hong accounts for 14,226,000 of the 21,738,000 IPO shares. .
4. The new big holder from 3 above... what his/her story? Try googling her name.You are going to have to help me out if there is a connection here because Google wont talk to me. If there is I wouldn't be surprised, like an unofficial underwriting to make sure they meet minimum statutory listing requirements
5. For those who take comfort in Grant Thornton being the Auditor. Who was the auditor for Sino-Forest? The answer is EY. Who was the internal auditor for Eratat Lifestyle (a Chinese fashion house recently defaulted on a $5m interest payment, while claiming to have $600m in cash)? Can't trust auditors - but they have insurance and I have shares in IMF, so its all O.K
6. Speaking of interest... how much interest do you expect to earn on the $28m cash pile? 2,354??? That's low but what is the interest rates for at call in china? actually why have the loans not been discharged? existing terms??
7. Directors... how much have these directors been paid? How much work do you expect them to perform at this pay scale? 55K for the chairman and 105K in aggregate for the non-executive directors. XU gets 300K plus super.
8. Dividends. They paid 0.06c (i.e. $0.0006) in dividend to holders. That's <$300k. If someone chooses to see that as comforting then he/she is easily impressed. 0.06c is in line with the dividend policy for the 1 month between listing and reporting.The Company expects to pay dividend of 25% of statutory
net profi t after tax with respect to earnings generated from
completion of the Offer to 31 December 2013. Thereafter the
Company is targeting a dividend payout ratio of at least 25% of
statutory net profi t after tax.
Depending on available profi ts and the fi nancial position of the
Company, it is the current intention of the Board to pay an annual
dividend each September.
We are not talking a pristine well established public company but as small private companies being taken public to try and find a bit of liquidity for early investors to exit - it seems pretty run of the mill just with a Chinese flavour - well that's the argument for the positive anyway.
None of the registry stuff overly concerns me (yet). Is the cash really there - that's more significant question (for all businesses)
A concern is that the minority holders don't seem to be in sync with the Mr Xu (who's escrowed for another 18 months) that's a story I would like to know more about, because he is pivotal to future minority holder outcomes.
Some of those dozen odd original minority holders now have a market to dispose of their shares and are selling at what appears to be low prices. They are probably more familiar with the company then the buyers - so that should be heeded but does that necessarily mean something fishy is going on? or are they exiting maybe a long term holding at the first real opportunity for their own personal reasons?
It's the numbers that need to be scrutinised.
You got any details McLovin? Or at least a heads up from which direction an odour is coming?
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