Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

Value Collector · 27 September 2017

Tisme said:
That's easy = a school is for teaching subjects, not lifestyle grooming... that is the parent's responsibility.

So schools should just stick to math science and English, and forget about educating on such things as healthy eating, sex ed, sports, drug education??? I see no reason why these topics can't be taught, and sexuality is just part of that.

that is the parent's responsibility.

If parents were doing a good job schools wouldn't need to do it, as it would be a non issue, however it is an issue.

Didn't one of your children develop a drug problem (unless I am confusing you with some one), Don't you think if he had better education on that topic he would have made better decisions??? surely you can see that as a parent you might not be able to have complete and up to date knowledge on all the issues children face, and schools can assist in providing that information.

Wysiwyg · 27 September 2017

Value Collector said:
If parents were doing a good job schools wouldn't need to do it, as it would be a non issue, however it is an issue.

Talking on behalf of everyone again? Googled some facts on that? I think you have a strong disposition toward disagreeing because you support the fag revolution..

SirRumpole · 27 September 2017

Value Collector said:
it just seems weird to me that parent aren't demanding to attend physics, chemistry, math or any other classes.

Yet on this one topic which is shrouded in stigma and religious nonsense and which clearly is not being handled well at home, parents suddenly want to interfere.

The naysayers want to stop any discussion of the topic, and thats clearly not healthy.

You just answered your own question. Parents don't need to know physics but they do need to know about their children's sexuality so that they can understand it.

Value Collector · 27 September 2017

Wysiwyg said:
Talking on behalf of everyone again? Googled some facts on that? I think you have a strong disposition toward disagreeing because you support the fag revolution..

I didn't say every parent does a bad job, But given the high suicide rates and other problems being faced by the LGBT community due to family rejection, harassment, assaults and other social issues, it's clear that parents (on average) are not doing a great job with this topic.

Value Collector · 27 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
Parents don't need to know physics but they do need to know about their children's sexuality so that they can understand it.

Yes, and they are more likely to find out that sexuality if the child has the confidence to come out of the closet because he has be taught that it's normal and ok.

Also, parents will be more able to accept and understand their children sexuality if they have been taught about it, Part of the reason for teaching the lessons on sexuality is to make sure the next generation of parents have more knowledge on the issues.

As I have said, it is not just about helping LGBT students today, but also helping the parents of tomorrow.

SirRumpole · 27 September 2017

Value Collector said:
Also, parents will be more able to accept and understand their children sexuality if they have been taught about it, Part of the reason for teaching the lessons on sexuality is to make sure the next generation of parents have more knowledge on the issues.

So why are you so opposed to parents going to the same classes on sexuality as their children ?

Logique · 27 September 2017

The 'Yes' cause has been infiltrated. Vote 'Yes' at your peril.

Quadrant Online: http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/09/ssms-likely-impact-religious-freedom/ 27 Sept 2017 - Augusto Zimmerman
...Behind the 'love is love' sloganeering stands the muscular presence of statist enforcers... where a 'Yes' victory leads is grimly apparent...
...Soviet Russia, Communist China, the Khmer Rouge and (in a different way) Nazi Germany were all determined to tightly control religious practice in an effort to stop it from dividing society or eroding the power of the state. The result however, was not more peace and harmony, but more oppression...

Value Collector · 27 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
So why are you so opposed to parents going to the same classes on sexuality as their children ?

I am not against the idea of parents being allowed to see some of the classes in general, I am against the idea that lessons shouldn't go ahead unless parents are there, or we should leave the topic up to parents to teach.

Also, I feel that reactionary parents might want to interfere, either directly which would impact the education of other children not just their own, or the fact that "Mum and Dad" are at the back might cause the child to not get the most out of the lesson, e.g. avoiding asking questions that might have been asked if the parents weren't there.

look at how crazy some of the sex ed is in the USA where the religious nutters have gotten into power.

The Bible Belt is now also the teenage pregnancy belt due to sex education dumb down by the religious nutters.

SirRumpole · 27 September 2017

Value Collector said:
Also, I feel that reactionary parents might want to interfere

A reactionary has already interfered. Her name is Roz Ward.

Tisme · 27 September 2017

ABC 7:30 report given over to pro SSM agenda on right now. Let's hope they give nine point five times opportunity to heterosexual couples experiencing anxiety at "unfair" treatment on the hands of the law ... proportionate response based on demographic weight

Tisme · 28 September 2017

Tony Abbott posted this today on facebook:

https://www.change.org/p/todd-green...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

tech/a · 28 September 2017

Kids learn about sex from other kids

Tisme · 28 September 2017

Even when providing a video the intro is pro gay, with shiny bright kiddy colours and nonsense statistics:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...p-macklemores-pro-gay-marriage-song-nrl-final

basilio · 28 September 2017

Tisme said:
Tony Abbott posted this today on facebook:

https://www.change.org/p/todd-green...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

What a confected storm in a tea cup. I saw the picture of the "horrified" family. (I suspect they must have seen one of your hot links Tisme..) And they were horrified because of this song ?
Are we in a situation now that entertainers are not allowed to sing at public events ? Do we have the thought police needing to check the songs and lyrics because ???

SirRumpole · 28 September 2017

basilio said:
Are we in a situation now that entertainers are not allowed to sing at public events ? Do we have the thought police needing to check the songs and lyrics because ???

It's propaganda for one side of a political/societal debate on which the public are expected to vote on.

The opposing side has a right to request and be granted equal time..

overhang · 28 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
It's propaganda for one side of a political/societal debate on which the public are expected to vote on.

The opposing side has a right to request and be granted equal time..

He is playing 4 songs, the same love song happens to be his 4th biggest song. Should he not play it to appease a few snowflakes from the no camp? This is freedom of speech, he has the right so sing the song just as people have the right to boo him.

SirRumpole · 28 September 2017

overhang said:
He is playing 4 songs, the same love song happens to be his 4th biggest song. Should he not play it to appease a few snowflakes from the no camp? This is freedom of speech, he has the right so sing the song just as people have the right to boo him.

Well it's just strange that the AFL chose him to sing what they must have known would be a contentious song in the circumstances.

overhang · 28 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
Well it's just strange that the AFL chose him to sing what they must have known would be a contentious song in the circumstances.

They didn't, the NRL did. If it's a popular song what's the issue?

Value Collector · 28 September 2017

tech/a said:
Kids learn about sex from other kids

Haha, yeah great plan, Thats probably why the most prudish states in the USA have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and STD's, Because they leave the SEX ED to Kids.

No doubt kids talk about sex, and probably start googling pr0n, but I doubt they hit the key topics of birth control and STD's etc etc.

"kids learn from other kids" thats the silliest thing I've heard, should we not talk about drugs either, because "kids learn from other kids"???

SirRumpole · 28 September 2017

overhang said:
They didn't, the NRL did. If it's a popular song what's the issue?

The issue is that it is propaganda for a political debate on which the public are going to vote on.

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?