Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[Logique]

Because nobody trusts them anymore, the unanimity of the establishment creates suspicion.
But the brownshirts aren't helping either.
I think this may actually go down

Merkel only got 33% of the vote in Germany. In NZ, New Zealand First will be the government-maker.
This isn't over by a long chalk.

 

[Tisme]

Merkel only got 33% of the vote in Germany. In NZ, New Zealand First will be the government-maker.
This isn't over by a long chalk.

We are being herded into a worldwide course of history. It's natural to have a gut instinct that things aren't quite right, even with patent political distractions and arguments like SSM designed to draft us into sheep pens for sorting.

 

[basilio]

Dealing with a gay son in an Australian Lebanese family.

How time and the same-sex marriage survey helped settle my family's feud
Antoun Issa
It’s been 15 years since I came out and was almost disowned by my parents. But last week they showed they still have the capacity to surprise me



‘Even my grandmother ... extended her embrace. “Is there any way you can change?” she once asked me in Arabic. “ This is how God made me,” I replied.’ Photograph: Jonny Weeks for the Guardian

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Monday 25 September 2017 02.30 BST Last modified on Monday 25 September 2017 02.49 BST

Mum sat me down for “the talk.” Her 17-year-old son was taking his teenage rage a tad too far – frequent late nights, sometimes disappearing for whole weekends, and this time, rolling into the home with a hickey on his neck.

“I know you’re at the age where you’re starting to have sex. I had the same conversation with your brother at his age. I just want to make sure you’re using protection,” she calmly advised. I suspected this was her attempt to obtain the truth of my activities, and orientation, and responded in kind. “What if I told you I like boys instead of girls?” Her face froze and almost lengthened in anguish. “What?” she replied in the faintest of voices, hoping what I said was a mistake of her hearing. I repeated my question, slowly so there was no disputing the fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...marriage-survey-helped-settle-my-familys-feud

 

[grah33]

It’s been 15 years since I came out and was almost disowned by my parents. But last week they showed they still have the capacity to ‘Even my grandmother ... extended her embrace. “Is there any way you can change?” she once asked me in Arabic. “ This is how God made me,” I replied.’ Photograph: Jonny Weeks for the Guardian

You know Basilo, 'love' is a really silly thing. A woman might have a great husband, and a couple of kids (no major problems yet), but for 'love' (another man in this case) she leaves them all behind. Not smart imo. Or some girl feels strongly for another girl, and comes to the conclusion she has to be with them. If I had such a child, I would tell them to not be troubled by it at all, and ignore it. Our actions (not emotions) are only important

 

[Value Collector]

Or some girl feels strongly for another girl, and comes to the conclusion she has to be with them. If I had such a child, I would tell them to not be troubled by it at all, and ignore it. Our actions (not emotions) are only important

This is an example of why teaching LGBT issues in school is needed, a large amount of parents just don't understand the issue.

 

[SirRumpole]

This is an example of why teaching LGBT issues in school is needed, a large amount of parents just don't understand the issue.

This could be done by sending a couple of pamphlets home with the kids, there doesn't need to be a whole course done at school that the parents don't know about.

 

[grah33]

This is an example of why teaching LGBT issues in school is needed, a large amount of parents just don't understand the issue.

i only wrote 2 lines, but i get it don't I? What part am i not understanding?

 

[Tisme]

Dealing with a gay son in an Australian Lebanese family.

How time and the same-sex marriage survey helped settle my family's feud
Antoun Issa
It’s been 15 years since I came out and was almost disowned by my parents. But last week they showed they still have the capacity to surprise me



‘Even my grandmother ... extended her embrace. “Is there any way you can change?” she once asked me in Arabic. “ This is how God made me,” I replied.’ Photograph: Jonny Weeks for the Guardian

So what's the moral of that story? That it took 15 years to give up all hope and forgive him?

 

[grah33]

interesting that 'nero' is mentioned as one of many gay examples in some pro gay marriage articles...they're trying to normalize it with Nero.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Had a brief discussion with a work mate and they admitted voting yes. Their reason was "any tax paying citizen should have the right to marry". I stood by my no vote logic that marriage is between a man and a woman. They walked away disappointed.

 

[Tisme]

Had a brief discussion with a work mate and they admitted voting yes. Their reason was "any tax paying citizen should have the right to marry". I stood by my no vote logic that marriage is between a man and a woman. They walked away disappointed.

I'm guessing your mate wasn't thinking about juvenile shop assistants, social welfare recipients, and pensioners?

 

[Tisme]

interesting that 'nero' is mentioned as one of many gay examples in some pro gay marriage articles...they're trying to normalize it with Nero.

and other primitives, like the Hellenistic elite imbred Greeks. oh and 19th century blacks in the deep south of the USA for some reason.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I'm guessing your mate wasn't thinking about juvenile shop assistants, social welfare recipients, and pensioners?

No and they also mentioned the high divorce rate with [traditional] marriages.

 

[Tisme]

No and they also mentioned the high divorce rate with [traditional] marriages.

Did he know what the divorce rate really is = 0.2% ?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Did he know what the divorce rate really is = 0.2% ?

2015 ABS stats. 2 in 1000?

 

[Tisme]

2015 ABS stats. 2 in 1000?

Yep...always rely on facts rather than fiction I say

 

[luutzu]

You know Basilo, 'love' is a really silly thing. A woman might have a great husband, and a couple of kids (no major problems yet), but for 'love' (another man in this case) she leaves them all behind. Not smart imo. Or some girl feels strongly for another girl, and comes to the conclusion she has to be with them. If I had such a child, I would tell them to not be troubled by it at all, and ignore it. Our actions (not emotions) are only important

Not the same though.

I'm sure a gay person could just leave the kids and his/her husband/wife just the same if they're that type of people.

So if your daughter love another woman... telling her to ignore the love for a woman but find a man to love instead... that's not the same. A similar advise would be, don't love that woman because she's a real nasty piece of work, you'll find a more deserving woman to love etc. etc.

 

[tech/a]

Heavens
Have you noticed the closing vote in the
Poll above?

 

[PZ99]

Latest Newspoll reflects similar trends.

I think the next one will be more telling after these SMS's

 

[Tink]

As has been mentioned on here before, there is no 'right' to marry.
So polygamy, incest etc, all have a right to marry?

The 'free love' .
Love is love.
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The law is as is for a reason.

Marriage is
one man and one woman
Not blood related.
And not a child.

It is about a mother and father raising their children.
It is about taking responsibility for your children.

A 'mother and a father and their children' is not equal to 'two men/two women'.

They are pushing to change the marriage act to 'genderless/transgender' marriage, where mother and father do not exist.

This is my view

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