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Julia said:
I'm a little surprised that there are no comments about the 4 Corners programme this evening, given the firm opinions that were expressed prior to it being aired.
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I have nothing to add. The program validates the views I have already expressed, i.e. compassion for the victims and disgust with the players.
 
I have recorded but not watched it yet. Have heard some clips on the radio. Hearing the victim speak I can not even imagine the morals of anyone, consenting or otherwise who could think that this was in any way something that was even remotely ok. How could you live with a man who participated or watched it?

I even feel smuttily voyeuristic for even thinking of watching it.
 
I watched it. IMO:

* the testimony of the girls was devastating

*Matthew Johns immediate career is mortally damaged

* the program was portrayed in a way that seemed to me, to reflect a strongly feminist ideology.

* Knights got a puzzling treatment

* the person i feel most sorry for is Mrs Johns, dunno why
 
Stan 101 said:
Firstly, thank you for highlighting my typo. It is poor form on my part.

It has great relevance. A girl willingly went to a motel room with a footballer. If you can't see that, I'll post no more on this issue in regard to your posts.


Cheers,
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At nineteen a lot of young women are still very naive - even if they think they are otherwise. Going back to a hotel room with one or two football players - possibly with the anticipation that she may end up having sex with one or both of them - does not mean she's consented to a room full of uninvited onlookers/participants and hours of degrading treatment.

Receiving this outcome when another 'risque' outcome was possibly on her mind would create a lot of confusion for a young woman about her own responsibility for the situation - but going to a room with the possible intent to have sex with one or two guys does not automatically mean consenting sex to anyone thats in the room that feels like it.

The footy show apology looks pretty pathetic after the airing of the episode - and Johns - 30 years old and married at the time - can hardly use to excuse that he was too young and stupid to know he was misusing a naive 19 year old in this way. But I also think these players (and a lot of young blokes regardless of whether they play football or not) genuinely don't realise the harm and trauma that some situations and behaviours can cause to the women concerned and the lasting effects it can have on them.

I felt the show presented a reasonably balanced view - you do come away with the viewpoint that clubs like Newcastle are genuinely trying to make changes, and that the NRL in general does view the situation seriously and introducing measures to try to adjust players behaviours and attitudes. But there's a long road ahead to change the culture that exists and some of the clubs look like they're going to be a lot slower to get the message.
 
gooner said:
The wife was watching something else. Was it any good?
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It was extremely ugly. I don't know how any of those footballers can ever show their faces again.

And , as awg mentioned, how must their wives feel?

Typically of 4 Corners, it was a well made programme. Suggest anyone with teenage children should have them watch it, both girls and boys.
 
awg said:
I watched it. IMO:

* the testimony of the girls was devastating

*Matthew Johns immediate career is mortally damaged

* the program was portrayed in a way that seemed to me, to reflect a strongly feminist ideology.

* Knights got a puzzling treatment

* the person i feel most sorry for is Mrs Johns, dunno why
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The reason for the Knights exposure was that they were the only club that cooperated in the making of the documentary. Others refused.

However I'm afraid the Knights lead with their chin. One item that has received media coverage this morning is the statement by one young player that it would be a nice touch after group sex, if instead of walking away they should get the victim a taxi home.

They still don't get it.

The compassionate treatment the girl got from the Christchurch police is a credit to them. Where was the sisterhood when she needed them?
 
watching it just re-confirms why i quit playing rep footy, the whole lifestyle is not my cup of tea... when i played union however it was a very different scene, maby cos it was the whole private school thing.

Lots of gangers(women) and animals(men) in this world
 
cuttlefish said:
The footy show apology looks pretty pathetic after the airing of the episode - and Johns - 30 years old and married at the time
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matthew johns has been known to dabble in other women even recently around the north side of sydney... i think the wife would have her head in the sand to think otherwise

known = strong rumours
 
Calliope said:
However I'm afraid the Knights lead with their chin. One item that has received media coverage this morning is the statement by one young player that it would be a nice touch after group sex, if instead of walking away they should get the victim a taxi home.

They still don't get it.
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Yeah I couldn't help but groan when I heard that comment ... its almost funny in a pathetic kind of way how much he missed the point - and delivered with a perfectly straight face - it does show that they have a long way to go.
 
Matthew Johns pisses off to WA to avoid the media, what a hero.

Says he 's very embarrased. I bet the girl wishes thats all she felt.

Worthless men, should be shunned by their sport and the media.
 
I am not surprised that Matthew Johns has not apologised to the NZ girl. His lawyers have probably advised him not to.

I reckon if she got Slater and Gordon on the job seeking compensation, Cronulla club and Johns would shell out big bucks to settle out of court. Maybe that would be the best way to give them a wake-up call.
 
Calliope said:
I am not surprised that Matthew Johns has not apologised to the NZ girl. His lawyers have probably advised him not to.

I reckon if she got Slater and Gordon on the job seeking compensation, Cronulla club and Johns would shell out big bucks to settle out of court. Maybe that would be the best way to give them a wake-up call.
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unfortunatly for Cronulla they have no cash to do so, they are close to bankruptcy
 
Calliope said:
The compassionate treatment the girl got from the Christchurch police is a credit to them. Where was the sisterhood when she needed them?
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I can assure you that the Christchurch police are not universally as sensitive as their representative appeared to be in this instance.

What has it got to do with "the sisterhood"?
How do you know what support or otherwise she did or did not receive from women?

Difficult to see how this tangent is relevant to the original offence.
 
I haven't read all of the posts here and couldn't watch the report on TV fully.

If the girl didn't consent, why aren't the football players involved being charged with rape?

As a kid, like most, I had a favourite football team and used to know all the players by name. Now I can't stand the way sports people, movie stars and the like get idolised way past their human worth.

Current football professionals are a disgrace, and the organisation that supports their undeserved salaries sucking money from local communities through the gambling addictions of the weak are an abomination..
 
Julia said:
What has it got to do with "the sisterhood"?
How do you know what support or otherwise she did or did not receive from women?
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I've no idea. That's why I posed the question.

Difficult to see how this tangent is relevant to the original offence.
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Difficult to make sense of this statement.
 
cant see the culture changing without banning the game for such a long period that an entirely new generation comes along
 
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