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This is a complete storm in a teacup. A bunch of idiots (male and female) have an orgy, and now the feminist-run media is having a hissy fit.

I had a female coworker who used to brag about sleeping with a certain well known footballer. Many women think that sex with a footballer is something to be proud of and brag to their friends about. Go to any rock concert or football game and the groupies are virtually tearing their clothes off at their bad boy idols.

Now here's an ADULT woman, who's adult enough to drink, adult enough to go back to the motel room for sex with 2 guys, but suddenly not adult enough when more than 2 guys are involved? Give me a break. She regretted it the next day. Well, you live and learn dear. Then she runs and dobs to the police to try to undo her poor choices.

Women have many well-documented reasons to change their story - to save face, for money, for attention, for regret. Society is all too ready to paint women as victims and men as abusers. She is as culpable as them in this affair. She's a skank, and they are thugs and they all had a wild night they regret. Boo hoo.

Anyhow, it will sell a few newspapers. Rant over.
 
this is sexism in reverse! Poor Matthew Johns..its so unfair.
Some desperate slapper, who can't get laid, follows a rugby team and lucks out one night with a few of the players. Years later, seeing an opportunity for financial gain, concocts some story which has weight purely because she is a female! Now she gets a big payout for her story and in the process ruins a man's career and his livelihood!!!

Imagine if some bloke said on national Tv that he had group sex with the hockyroos!

Do you think it would get the same reaction..


This is an example of a female using her sexualtiy for financial gain and puts all genuine claims of such nature at risk!
 
Kind of have to feel sorry for Johns. He's copping all this despite him being one of the two guys who the girl originally wanted to be with (at the same time mind you).
 
MrBurns said:
If the young athletes weren't dumb bimbos themselves this wouldnt happen in the first place.

This isnt a pr0n movie or a wet dream these guys are dealing with real people, even if the girl asks to be shagged by the entire team the team should have the brains to decline, otherwise they will pay the price, no point blaming the girl. If she asked you to take heroin or train surf would you ?
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no but they are illegal.....

johns did nothing legally wrong. just morally stupid. he has no monopoly on that!!

im sick of hearing about this poor girl. she made decisions, enjoyed being in that position, asked to be in that position, kept asking for more blokes to have sex with her, even chosing which ones from the lineup....

if i was mrs johns last night, id have layed the boot into that ho!!



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Johns did not make a very good trade.

Risk - 7years
Reward - 30 seconds

Risk:Reward Ratio = 7,358,400 : 1
 
cordelia said:
this is sexism in reverse! Poor Matthew Johns..its so unfair.
Some desperate slapper, who can't get laid, follows a rugby team and lucks out one night with a few of the players. Years later, seeing an opportunity for financial gain, concocts some story which has weight purely because she is a female! Now she gets a big payout for her story and in the process ruins a man's career and his livelihood!!!

Imagine if some bloke said on national Tv that he had group sex with the hockyroos!
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Poor Matthew, he participated in a sexual orgy, at the age of 30, being a husband and father. So desperate he has to have sex with (in your words) a slapper. :(

The only thing I agree with is that he is the fall guy. The others should be pursued just as vigorously as he has been. However, the difference between Johns and the others though, is that Johns is paid as a mentor, coach and spokesperson for the Rugby League. And that makes a big difference.

From what I understand she did not consent to have sex with all of those players and Johns knew that.
 
Prospector said:
Poor Matthew, he participated in a sexual orgy, at the age of 30, being a husband and father. So desperate he has to have sex with (in your words) a slapper. :(

The only thing I agree with is that he is the fall guy. The others should be pursued just as vigorously as he has been. However, the difference between Johns and the others though, is that Johns is paid as a mentor, coach and spokesperson for the Rugby League. And that makes a big difference.

From what I understand she did not consent to have sex with all of those players and Johns knew that.
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Agree, the others will be flushed out wait and see. 4 Corners dont make mistakes they wouldnt have taken this story on if it wasnt 100% correct.

Matthew Johns admitted he's been waiting 7 years for the phone to ring over this, so there was more to this than meets the eye, she was used big time and now the heros will pay .........thats justice.
 
4 corners is simply gutter jornalism.

where are the real news stories? where is the in depth probes into corporate corruption, political corruption, mechinations of the church in the corporate world, obamas birth certificate, obamas dead gay church members, the missing 9 trillion of the fed reserve, 911, etc, etc..?

go on 4 corners, give the sheep another moraliy play. dont investigate real issues. after all, it is morality plays that you are employed to dig up, to cover up the real issues that sheep arent allowed to think about.


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Julia said:
I am really puzzled about why this is suddenly an issue seven years post the event. It simply doesn't make sense to me.

And before someone jumps on me, no, I am not suggesting Johns et al are anything other than stupid, undoubtedly emotionally and morally abusive , and entirely disrespectful towards women. Certainly towards his wife also.
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Hi Julia

I think you have, without knowing it, answered your own question.

Matthew Johns has an extremely high profile in NRL - so much so that he was an NRL ambassador for the NRL membership drive. He is well regarded and looked up to by all (in Rugby League circles) through his media and playing achievements.

I'll ask a question using a quote from your last post : What sort of message does it send from the NRL when one of their most highly regarded personalities is considered to be stupid, undoubtedly emotionally and morally abusive and entirely disrepectful towards women?

I don't think there is anything sinister about the timing of the story. Sure it happened in 2002 but that hardly makes it ancient history. And people seem to be missing the point - it has been the 4 Corners report regarding the NRL's culture and it's attitude towards sexual conduct that is at the core.

To that end, I agree that Matthew Johns is playing the price for wearing the can for not only the Christchurch incident, but for EVERY NRL PLAYER WHO HAS ENGAGED in such activity. The NRL want Matty to be the fall guy. If the NRL has any sense, the 10 May 2009 will go down in NRL history as a watershed day. The line in the sand has been drawn by the NRL regarding the behaviour of players. Pre and Post Matty Johns.

But this story isn't just about Matty Johns - look at the big picture. The NRL, and Cronulla should be ashamed of itself - they have hung Matty Johns out to dry. The NRL are great at making decsions - but only when they are absolutely forced to.

Those people who look at this event as "The Matty Johns Saga" are completely missing the big picture.

And I fail to see how Wabbit can suggest that the woman is doing this for $$$. Does that seem the likely to anyone? It is very easy to forgive, turn a blind eye, dismiss........(call it what you like)...........the poor behaviour, either criminal or moral, just because someone is liked, can kick a footy or have a high profile. In the AFL, if Wayne Carey and Ben Cousins were "sorted out" early in their careers instead of being treated as Gods, there is a fair chance they would find themselves in a different position today.

Duckman
 
Prospector said:
From what I understand she did not consent to have sex with all of those players and Johns knew that.
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I agree Johns deserves all he gets, but lets not jump to conclusions about this woman, her behaviour, and current motives.

Could it be that she was happy to be there at the time but has since had a change of mind, and is now seeing $$ signs?

I await to see the outcome.

I doubt the full truth, fact, and feeling will be the outcome.

Just alterior motives.
 
ok wowsers...

should rock n roll stars lose their contracts for having group sex? should tennis players? golf players? corporate executives? police?

why footballers only?


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kennas said:
I agree Johns deserves all he gets, but lets not jump to conclusions about this woman, her behavior, and current motives.

Could it be that she was happy to be there at the time but has since had a change of mind, and is now seeing $$ signs?

I await to see the outcome.

I doubt the full truth, fact, and feeling will be the outcome.

Just alterior motives.
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Johns said he tried to apologize to her at the time when it was over, so I think that answers that.

I feel sorry for him he obviously knew the gravity of what went on and felt the guilt ever since, as he said in his interview he was somewhat relieved when 4 Corners rang him, to get it over with.

I've never seen a guy look quite as guilty as Johns, but I don't think it would be his normal behavior, he seems a decent chap really.
 
I wonder who it is responsible for re-starting this sh!tstorm.

IMO, they have something to answer for.

Psychology and the notion of Karma, are things that interest me.

The devastation wrought on the Johns family is wrong.

I also seriously doubt that the lady in question will find the aftermath healing.

This is very debatable, but the evidence suggests she is suffering mental illness, as defined, and is likely to continue to do so, and quite possibly was unstable before. Theories differ on how the sufferer/victim should move forward

I dont know whether she initiated, on the advice of a therapist, but I suspect she has been poorly advised, and maybe even USED, by 4C, for media ratings.

The way towards healing is not normally found through destruction of innocent victims, all concerned bring heavy adverse karma upon themselves, if they act in this way.

Matthew Johns now finds his karma.

The others involved will find theirs, including journalist and producer.
 
After listening to Matthew Johns last night and reading this morning's posts I must admit that I have had an epiphany and now realise that he has been subjected to unfair vilification by the media and I must admit, by me.

Let's look at this thing objectively;

. here was a 30 year old respected family man going about his business of being a role model for young footballers and a mentor for his team.

. he is accosted by a 19 year old kitchen hand (probably drunk) who is attracted by his fame, his rugged good looks and his fabulous sense of humour.

. she puts the hard word on him for a sexual romp.

. being a gentleman he cannot refuse.

. after giving her a serve any woman should be grateful for, and still being a gentleman, he steps back to allow his mates to gratify her wanton sexual desires.

. still being the gentleman he apologises to her afterwards in the car park for his mates' over exuberance.

. for any decent girl that should be the end of it, but as Cordelia knows she is using this this harmless frolic as an opportunity to make big bucks.

. as for the wives, partners and girlfriends they are naturally disgusted that this shameless hussy could use the bodies of their heroes in such a vile way, and get away with it.
 
Why is it that the media does not question HER behaviour, and the behaviour of groupie's in general?

Why do week seek understanding and compassion for the woman, but immediately condemn and vilify the man, in not just this case, but in all cases of sexual misconduct?

This chivalrous infantilizing of women is ridiculous, and this woman is manipulating the media and the Australian public. Being an adult means you take responsibility for your choices. Mathew Johns has done that, SHE has not.
 
metric said:
ok wowsers...

should rock n roll stars lose their contracts for having group sex? should tennis players? golf players? corporate executives? police?

why footballers only?


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Metric - in your own words, why do you think his contract was not renewed with Channel Nine (his employer)?

This is about protecting the interest of the Network. They cannot afford to be seen to be condoning degrading attitudes towards women. To that same drum beat, the NRL have cut him loose, to distance themselves from his actions and beliefs.

I'll answer your question - every person that engages in group sex runs the risk of personal and public ridicule, embarrassment and even criminal charges as it is so subjective. "Sure the girl loved it - she was really into it,...but I guess I only saw her when the first 10 roadies had been with her....I don't know what happened with the other 6."

The difference between golf players and TV personalities is that golf players have a career playing golf. TV personalities are employed to be the face of the Network.

If the country is full of wowers that now only see 10 blokes and a naked girl in a Christchurch room when Matty Johns comes on the screen....then that is just the way it is.

Duckman
 
If he were charged with rape that’s one thing. And while his act was morally questionable it was consensual as far as we know. He has lost his job and career, any respect he might have had and has been under extreme media scrutiny. I think its all going a bit too far unless there’s more to the story.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Metric - in your own words, why do you think his contract was not renewed with Channel Nine (his employer)?
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because they are a hypocritical bunch sex promoting cowards. the degredation of the moral standard of tv, shows their real intent.

pure, utter cowardly scum.


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And this after the numb nut goes to a strip club
Is this simply an attention diverter for him after the budget or what?
It's on every radio station every TV network and all the papers. It’s like a media frenzy.
PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has called on all sporting codes to foster greater respect for women, following the group sex scandal involving rugby league personality Matthew Johns.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25479402-29277,00.html
 
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