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[moXJO]

A FORMER work colleague of the woman at the centre of the Cronulla Sharks sex scandal involving Matthew Johns claims her co-worker bragged about the incident.
Tania Boyd has told the Nine Network that the woman in the ABC's Four Corners report, identified as "Clare'', had boasted to her workmates about bedding several players and only contacted police five days after the alleged incident.

"She was absolutely excited about the fact. She was bragging about it to the staff and quite willing, openly saying how she had sex with several players,'' said Ms Boyd.

"We were quite disgusted about it. There was no trauma whatsoever.

"I'm disgusted that a woman can all of a sudden change her story from having a great time to then turning it into a terrible crime.

"One minute she was absolutely bragging about it, she did not know names. These names only came to light to us in the last day.

"We all just thought it was hilarious until five days later the police came to work and were horrified she had now changed her story to say she was now a victim of crime.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25482240-29277,00.html

So far everyone is just speculating what has happened. Probably better to let the story play out. Does not change the fact players cheated on wives. Or that an almost all male gang bang is a little Mo in my thinking

 

[Luthien]

climbing thru windows and hiding in closets....
http://www.smh.com.au/national/group-sex-and-bunning-its-all-greek-to-me-20090514-b42g.html?page=1

the culture is absurd......

this topic has had more discussion than the budget.......here AND in mainstream media.

.…the cartoonists would have had a field day if it had been 12 politicians

 

[Julia]

You seem to have mis-read my post. Can't you see I have recanted? This girl obviously seduced the guys.

Rubbish. Your post was perfectly clearly sarcastic. Could I again ask you the question? Do you find it incomprehensible that any woman might be attracted to the idea of group sex and be prepared to engage therein if the opportunity presented itself?

I can imagine that in your world Pappon, there is only right or wrong, black and white, yes and no. Unfortunately, here on Earth, there are many degrees of grey.

You posted the above comment as an attack on the girl involved. It could very easily be said about Matty Johns. Stop blaming others for where you find yourself. Can you see the shades of grey?

Duckman

(PS I'm beginning to think that you've never Group Tango'd!)

Duckman, you are one of my very favourite people, but with respect, your original condemnation of Wabbitt's quite objective post indicated that your own view was very black and white, i.e. white re the girl and very, very black re the blokes. My apologies if I have misunderstood you. I know you to usually be very fair minded.

I have just watched the ABC programme after having read this post. It seems that the girl has come forward to the ABC, or at least was prepared to talk publically now, because she is at the 'Angry' stage of the grief cycle - she wants the wives and girlfriends to know what their men are capable of.

In other words she wants revenge.

You guys who say the girls are asking for it by getting drunk and wearing sexy clothes.

Did they? I must have missed that.

Ask yourself this:

If a girl is drunk and is with two guys and agrees to have sex but with one of them, not the other, but the two guys secretly tag each other, and she has sex unkowingly with both, is that rape?

She went with both of them to the hotel room, Prospector. Would you do that if you were intending to have sex with just one of them? What did she imagine the other one was going to do?

I'm feeling disloyal to the sisterhood by not agreeing with all you say, Prospector, especially as I know you well and can't think of any other area where we disagree. And I don't necessarily disagree. I just feel that none of us actually knows what happened and we can't be sure the girl was a victim here.

for instance...you still dont know who australia is borrowing all this money from, do you....!





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Metric, I have posted an answer to your above question in the Budget highlights thread courtesy Money Morning.

 

[cordelia]

From what I understand she did not consent to have sex with all of those players and Johns knew that.

clearly you dont understand much because it was on national tv that she consented!.....

 

[Calliope]

Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.

 

[Julia]

wonders if it was the ladies team mauling some young man if there would be the same reaction

Yes, indeed. Or what reaction would everyone have had if the footy team had decided to have it off with a homosexual male? Would he also have automatically been a victim, or could he have been a willing participant?
Would such an event have provoked the same level of outrage that a tearful young woman has done?

no. just like female teachers get off for molesting boys...


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Not true at all. Several teachers have been charged for just such offences.

I do, the other people involved, some being club officials, are pretty gutless. But maybe they dont get that what they have done is wrong.

But sometimes in life it is not the things you might do illegally that get you unstuck, but the things you do that are morally wrong. Especially, as in this case, he has been used as a mentor to younger players. It is desperately sad for his wife and children; but she has chosen to stay with him - I dont think I could even bear to look at him again knowing what he did - and maybe whatever else has happened.

Ah, but who is to know what their relationship consists of? They may have a so called 'open marriage', not as uncommon as you may imagine.

Earlier in the thread when I indicated some sympathy for Mrs Johns, Calliope quickly informed me she would have been well aware of what she was marrying. He may well be right. I don't know. None of us know.

But for sure, it's just horrible for his children.

When you say what he has done is morally wrong, do you mean in terms of his being married, or in terms of his having had group sex?

If the latter, then I'd say that none of us have the right to be the moral guardians of anyone else unless it's to prevent harm being done to someone who is unable to look out for themselves, e.g. in child sexual abuse.

This whole silly affair has taken on a life of its own to the most extraordinary degree. On a superficial level, I'd say "well, who cares what some footballer did, and likewise who cares if a woman who protests that she had a boyfriend chose to engage in an encounter with men other than said boyfriend."

But what interests me is the cultural argument which is happening in this thread, i.e. the assumption by some posters that this woman is absolutely an innocent victim, and had no responsibility in the whole matter, versus those who consider she must have been a trollope who asked for whatever she got.

I don't know which it is, don't much care, think it's probably somewhere in between these two alternatives, but I do have concerns about the obvious double standard which seems to be applying here. i.e. an assumption that only men can be sexual predators. It just ain't so.



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[cordelia]

It can be difficult for some men to understand the sheer power that men can have over women. Power that translates to inability to scream, move, or do anything. Kind of like the way animals, when dazzled by a light seem to lack the ability to move. They simply freeze on the spot. Particularly 19 year old women with well bulked men in their twenties - thirties. En masse. Add to that mix alcohol.

I understand that the ABC do not pay people they use in their stories.

I missed this one but what a beauty!!! The woman went to the hotel room of her own accord! That's the first fact! Secondly, are you suggesting that women are so weak that they can't make their own decisions in the presence of men! Hello! I think you have been reading too much Jane Austin:

Darcy Darcy..I swoon in your presence!

 

[cordelia]

Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.

great comment!

 

[Julia]

Surely if group sex is a team building exercise, it would make more sense if the guys had group sex with each other rather than let groupies, with whom they have nothing in common, join in the fun.

It's entirely likely that they do that as a warm up act.

 

[disarray]

this isn't sparta julia

 

[Julia]

this isn't sparta julia

Perhaps not, Disarray. But that's not to say our footballers don't seek to emulate certain Spartan practices.

 

[awg]

my good lady, the psychologist, reckons its all too homo-erotic.

I tell her she is maliciously overlooking the role of the female in the group sex scenario

 

[Calliope]

Could I again ask you the question? Do you find it incomprehensible that any woman might be attracted to the idea of group sex and be prepared to engage therein if the opportunity presented itself.

I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.

 

[moXJO]

I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.

Where the hell have you been hiding

 

[scanspeak]

I have no idea. I have been out of touch for too long to have any expertise on the sexual appetites on modern young women. But in regard to the women I do know I find it highly unlikely. Kiwi women may be different.

You really are naive Calliope.
To educate you, here's a report on the "dating" culture of todays young women.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808

"Dating culture is dead - instead, young New Zealand women are regularly getting drunk and cruising around in packs looking for men to have sex with.

That's one of the findings of a TVNZ Sunday investigation into the sexual behaviour of New Zealand women. The programme makers did the story after Kiwi women last year topped the Durex Sexual Wellbeing Global Survey as the world's most promiscuous."

By the way, have you ever seen the show Ladettes to Ladies?

 

[moXJO]

You really are naive Calliope.
To educate you, here's a report on the "dating" culture of todays young women.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808

"Dating culture is dead - instead, young New Zealand women are regularly getting drunk and cruising around in packs looking for men to have sex with.

That's one of the findings of a TVNZ Sunday investigation into the sexual behaviour of New Zealand women. The programme makers did the story after Kiwi women last year topped the Durex Sexual Wellbeing Global Survey as the world's most promiscuous."

By the way, have you ever seen the show Ladettes to Ladies?

Woot better head back home to NZ. Oh wait the wife and kids.
Hmmm what would Matty John's do in this situation....

The Sunday Star-Times' Being a Bloke survey last year found that 29% of the 5000 men surveyed felt they had been pressured into having sex or had had sex unwillingly.

There's a sheep joke in there somewhere

 

[moXJO]

Really if people want to engage in multiple partners it should not be frowned upon. If it’s what they like, then good for them (not related to the current thread btw). If they are sexual comfortable with themselves then women should not be made to feel like tarts when men in the same situation are hailed as studs. It is often the case women are made to feel like trash which then brings up regret. Usually by men with little self esteem and harboring their own fears. Sexually confident women are a plus in my opinion.
However too much alcohol and consent in my mind is still a no no. Too many bad decisions are made with alcohol.

In this situation the footballers were in the wrong even with consent.

 

[scanspeak]

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=3159

"...people concerned about the rights of innocent men accused of rape need to be aware of any study regarding the prevalence of false rape claims. Of note this week is a new five-year study in India that shows almost one-in-five rape claims is false:

…in 18.3 % cases to be precise, rape is used as a weapon to malign and attempt revenge, found a group of psychologists who assist Delhi Police in investigating sexual assault allegations.

The conclusion was drawn from 113 cases in the last five years. Anger towards the accused prompted allegations of rape in 25% of the false charges. An equal number of such cases were filed at the behest of family members. Every fifth false allegation was made by a minor `coached' to cry `rape' as an attempt to settle family scores. About 15% were situations of panic after clear consent, while the remaining 15% defied categorisation."

 

[metric]

"..Woman at centre of Matthew Johns sex scandal bragged about exploit..." co-worker

Tania Boyd has told the Nine Network that the woman in the ABC's Four Corners report, identified as "Clare'', had boasted to her workmates about bedding several players and only contacted police five days after the alleged incident.

"She was absolutely excited about the fact. She was bragging about it to the staff and quite willing, openly saying how she had sex with several players,'' said Ms Boyd.

"We were quite disgusted about it. There was no trauma whatsoever.

"I'm disgusted that a woman can all of a sudden change her story from having a great time to then turning it into a terrible crime.

"One minute she was absolutely bragging about it, she did not know names. These names only came to light to us in the last day.

"We all just thought it was hilarious until five days later the police came to work and were horrified she had now changed her story to say she was now a victim of crime.

"It was definitely consensual, absolutely.

"She is saying she is still traumatised etcetera, well she wasn't for five days, or four days at least, after that affair.

"I can't work out what's happened. Does it take five days for it to sink in?''

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25477148-421,00.html

so the 'poor girl' really was a bimbo ho and got what she asked for. nothing illegal, no scandal. gutter journalism. 4 corners is crap andthe majority of the sheep are gullible....thats why they are sheep....

 

[Calliope]

You really are naive Calliope.
To educate you, here's a report on the "dating" culture of todays young women.

I have noticed that all your posts are an attempt to put down women. You must have had some bad experiences to make you so cynical.