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Can we get a mexican wave going in his honour ?
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Shifty, and manipulative little fella sounds more like little Johnny.
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I suppose.
In fact it would apply just about equally to the lot of them.
Wow this thread is getting better with age....Loving it
I personally think all communist party supporters should be banned from ASF.... they have no place in the world of greed and capitalism.....anyone who reads the Herald over the Tele....straight on a boat...anyone who watches the ABC can go with them.....LOL
All thes Labour hard liners should be put on a boat and thrown over board off indonesia LMAO but this time dont rescue them.... And if you do send them to xmas Island for 7 years processing...by then we will have Priminister Mad Monk....look out..... tax returns will be given out at church and put straight in the plate...
So Cycnical - where you givin your name at a Labour party branch meeting or at birth when indoctrinated and handed your red scarf...LOL
I personally think all communist party supporters should be banned from ASF.... they have no place in the world of greed and capitalism.....anyone who reads the Herald over the Tele....straight on a boat...anyone who watches the ABC can go with them.....LOL
All thes Labour hard liners should be put on a boat and thrown over board off indonesia LMAO but this time dont rescue them.... And if you do send them to xmas Island for 7 years processing...by then we will have Priminister Mad Monk....look out..... tax returns will be given out at church and put straight in the plate...
So Cycnical - where you givin your name at a Labour party branch meeting or at birth when indoctrinated and handed your red scarf...LOL
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Happy new year to the right wing of the ASF and blessings from above on the others.
There is one reason why Rudd is so popular - a majority of people feel that despite a few fallings and personal foibles he is doing a reasonable job and saying the right things. Too simple - a bit like the how 'the market is happy/unhappy with a situation.
It may be that those that cannot understand this are somewhat blinkered by their own belief.
Under Rudd there has not been totally unfair ideology in action like work choices, no industrial unrest caused by antagonistic government policies (re Howard et al). Plus there is a little action happening on addressing real issues that affect people like hospitals, poor state of public school funding, , transport, higher education, alternative energy solutions, global warming.
Under Howard there was a complete denial of any issues other than smashing the unions and a fake sense of returning values of mateship. (Howard is reported as having few if any 'mates")
There is also a feeling that Australia has come through the recession in great shape - 'envy of the world' The pain for most was minor and could have been far worse.
Overall it has been a steady Rudd/Gillard hand on the tiller and a straight course ahead without desk polishing scandals and vicious internal warefare of the libs/nats.
Honestly why wouldn't they be popular? Any body can see that the other mob is a complete shambles with weirdos in control.
I dont vote for either of them.
There is one reason why Rudd is so popular - a majority of people feel that despite a few fallings and personal foibles he is doing a reasonable job and saying the right things. Too simple - a bit like the how 'the market is happy/unhappy with a situation.
It may be that those that cannot understand this are somewhat blinkered by their own belief.
Under Rudd there has not been totally unfair ideology in action like work choices, no industrial unrest caused by antagonistic government policies (re Howard et al). Plus there is a little action happening on addressing real issues that affect people like hospitals, poor state of public school funding, , transport, higher education, alternative energy solutions, global warming.
Under Howard there was a complete denial of any issues other than smashing the unions and a fake sense of returning values of mateship. (Howard is reported as having few if any 'mates")
There is also a feeling that Australia has come through the recession in great shape - 'envy of the world' The pain for most was minor and could have been far worse.
Overall it has been a steady Rudd/Gillard hand on the tiller and a straight course ahead without desk polishing scandals and vicious internal warefare of the libs/nats.
Honestly why wouldn't they be popular? Any body can see that the other mob is a complete shambles with weirdos in control.
I dont vote for either of them.
Congrats Zird your first on the boat.... take a towel some water and sunscreen... a fishing line, hooks and bag of worms could be handy too...
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Condog - Was that Hamilton or Xmas island you mentioned - both seem to be a bit crowded at present
Mate there is always room on those hot over crowded islands for communist party labour supporters........after all its for the common good of society...
There won't be a DD election, both majors are sh*t scared of the Greens & loony lefties gaining control of the senate. Won't happen.
Politics is a numbers game, it's the reason that Julia will never be PM, she doesn't have (and won't get) the numbers.
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LMAO They said that about Obama and Hilary Clinton, they both fought for the ticket and as you know the rest is history..... Where exactly is MCain now , wasnt he given 90% chance of winning against a black man or woman??????
Politics has a funny way of making predictions and commonsense seem irrellivant... eg: NSW labour and Johny Howards defeat....both against all odds .....
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I first read this as your inferring of a distinction between "green" and "loony lefties", but that only leaves Senator Xenophon as the only claimant for "loony lefty". Sen X, I thought, is neither.
But then I realised you probably refer to "lefties" (who are by definition) "green and loony".
You know, I really do think there's a fundamental omission in such an assessment. What we're seeing here is a entirely new political theatre of operations. The whole socialism vs capitalism, worker vs boss, nanny state vs free-enterprise, the whole kitten and cat-doodle is over. It doesn't matter. It's being eclipsed.
Copenhagen a show organised by green loonies, heads of state attending for a free lunch? I'm very sorry mate, I really don't think so.
Greens a camouflage for socialism? Forget it. If I thought for one second that private enterprise would come up with better solutions for dealing with degradation of the earth, I'd tattoo the brand-name on my forehead.
Yes there are nutters in the greens. Now tell me there are no nutters in any other political movement, no (non-green) nutters in parliament?
Actually, I think Julia G. is just one runaway bus from the top-job, and if she got it she'd keep it (and earn it). Not that I wish ill for the current incumbent.
Oh yeah, my disclosure for political threads: I am a greenie.
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Zird, would you consider in saying this that the majority of the electorate are not that interested in politics, and as long as they are not personally being disadvantaged (and especially if they have been the recipients of that lovely cash), then they're more or less happy with whatever is happening, i.e. they just don't care?
True.
Not really true. Many words. No real action. Rudd promised to take control of health by mid 2009 if there was no improvement. Zilch has happened.
More enquiry or reports or something. Ditto the other categories.
You are ignoring the building up of the surplus.
Labor has since spent this and then some.
Gee whiz, this gets me. You are completely ignoring all the money that has to be paid back, now that it has avoided retail sales figures going into the red when it mattered politically! This massive amount has effectively been wasted, when we so desperately need funding for health, transport, education etc. How bloody stupid to build assembly halls which schools didn't particularly need, whilst those same schools are bereft of adequate teaching staff.
That is quite true on the surface and undoubtedly how it will appear to your average uninterested constituent.
And further agree that the Libs/Nats are unable to offer anything any better to date.
Agree there will not be a DD election.
Not so sure about this. She hasn't put a foot wrong. (That is ignoring her capacity for reciting the party line a la Rudd & Swan, and her very unfortunate voice.) She seems a pretty decent woman to me, at least she has a sense of humour. If the Dear Leader achieves his ambition of a seat at the UN, Ms Gillard would for me be an improvement over said Dear Leader.
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I will have to disagree with both of you...a DD election is a certainty in the Spring of 2010 after the ETS has been rejected for a third time, its the perfect platform to go to an election on....and why not clean out the senate with a DD election, Labor has everything to gain and nothing to lose.
The senate at the moment http://www.peo.gov.au/students/now_senate.html
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It's "Labor" these days. K? Thnx Bai.
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Yeah, "warefare" aside, your analysis is highly intelligent and chock full o keen observations on all things Labor and Liberal. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
And if you're a Collingwood supporter, I would be even more impressed.
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Thanks for the considered reply to all (except Condon) whose only response really is to send those with differing views on one way boat/train trips to extermination camps. Julia as always your response is detailed and well thought out and I will try and respond accordingly..
Yes most people are politically disinterested as is case globally. Most people just want to get on with their lives. I agree a DD is an option for labor but Labor will take up this option if they think they will win with this option. Labour picks up options when there is sufficient public support eg Franklin River issue in the 80s.
I agree Julia many words little action. But the words are sort of soothing to the electorate and do not rock the boat - pathetic really, I heard that there is some progress on building the 'community medical centres' - but slow.
Yes Howard did build up a surplus - but it was a decade of economic strength. Some of that surplus should have gone into infrastructure along the way.
You get distressed with the cost of deficit. I would argue that the cost would have much greater if the Australian economy had collapsed to the extent of say England. We would still be in recession, the dole ques huge and business in a bad state.
Hope this response is sufficient.
Yes most people are politically disinterested as is case globally. Most people just want to get on with their lives. I agree a DD is an option for labor but Labor will take up this option if they think they will win with this option. Labour picks up options when there is sufficient public support eg Franklin River issue in the 80s.
I agree Julia many words little action. But the words are sort of soothing to the electorate and do not rock the boat - pathetic really, I heard that there is some progress on building the 'community medical centres' - but slow.
Yes Howard did build up a surplus - but it was a decade of economic strength. Some of that surplus should have gone into infrastructure along the way.
You get distressed with the cost of deficit. I would argue that the cost would have much greater if the Australian economy had collapsed to the extent of say England. We would still be in recession, the dole ques huge and business in a bad state.
Hope this response is sufficient.
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Adolph Hitler was probably the quickest road builder at one time. Perhaps that's one leaf Mr Rudd should take out of his book, even though he'd best ignore the rest.
During my stay in Ontario they moaned about the lack of roads; big sized countries need big people to take on big road development.
The UK had the Romans to build their roads using slaves, so I suppose they built their own roads in a way. Small country, but massive road systems.
Might be an idea if Mr Rudd and Co allowed China to buy some big companies in return for building roads.
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No loonies or weirdos amongst the Left, the Greens and climate change army are there. Only to be found within the political right it seems.
Anyone promoting La Gillardine as PM would do well to study the former NZ Labour (that's the spelling over there) prime ministership of Helen Clark. What a horror story, and resoundingly tossed out of office when NZ electors finally woke up.
Style should never triumph over substance. A former employee of the Communist Party, policy achievements such as medicare gold, compulsory school halls (even if you don't need them), and plasma tvs on demand. Yep, that sounds like policy and leadership credentials to me.
Also with the ETS - have a look at the demographic of the political spruikers and supporters. All citizens would incur higher power and water bills. But how would this tax windfall for the govt be re-distributed? To me it's pretty obvious who expects to benefit. For starters I'd expect lashings of (even more) middle class welfare.
Anyone promoting La Gillardine as PM would do well to study the former NZ Labour (that's the spelling over there) prime ministership of Helen Clark. What a horror story, and resoundingly tossed out of office when NZ electors finally woke up.
Style should never triumph over substance. A former employee of the Communist Party, policy achievements such as medicare gold, compulsory school halls (even if you don't need them), and plasma tvs on demand. Yep, that sounds like policy and leadership credentials to me.
Also with the ETS - have a look at the demographic of the political spruikers and supporters. All citizens would incur higher power and water bills. But how would this tax windfall for the govt be re-distributed? To me it's pretty obvious who expects to benefit. For starters I'd expect lashings of (even more) middle class welfare.
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3 decades ago I spent years in Canberra. I was staggered at how quickly superb roads leading to nowhere for no one were built. There does not need to be a dictator to get things done - just a government with determination, intelligence and future vision.
It is easy to say nothing will change and we are in a bad way. But travel to Sth America makes you realise that many Aussies are just a bunch of spoilt squealing brats. Wake up Australia and be happy - you are truly some of the luckiest people in the world.
Of course there are loonies everywhere but I try and avoid them
It is easy to say nothing will change and we are in a bad way. But travel to Sth America makes you realise that many Aussies are just a bunch of spoilt squealing brats. Wake up Australia and be happy - you are truly some of the luckiest people in the world.
Of course there are loonies everywhere but I try and avoid them
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Ignoring the issue itself and NOT wanting to start that debate here
, the entire politics of the Franklin issue were a defining moment in many ways in my opinion.It's not often you find Tasmanians voting Liberal, nor is it common to hold state referendums, and it's even less common to have the results of a referendum overturned by the Commonwealth. Not often you find greens and Shell (as in the oil company) pushing the same interests. Not often you find greens advocating using more wood and coal either.
The thing I find really interesting though, again trying not to be biased as to the original issue itself, is that it was the views of those in Sydney and Melbourne particularly that decided the issue. And yet to this day virtually nobody living in either of those two cities has actually been to the Franklin (and nor have most Tasmanians by the way).
The media, particularly the 60 Minutes program, determined public opinion and the ultimate outcome there. To this day, I've yet to meet anyone not directly involved (on either side) who recalls any real factual information about the proposal. Most don't even know the basics, like where the dams were to be built and how much power they would have produced - really basic information in relation to the entire debate.
And yet it's hard to find someone who doesn't recall what the media said, even though both sides will to this day acknowledge that it was factually incorrect. Such is the power of the media.
Relating that to the climate change issue, it's essentially the same situation. Many people say they want something done but have no real understanding of the issue. They just repeat whatever the media feeds them. They just think whatever News Corp, Channel 9, ABC and all the rest tell them to think. That's a very, very sad situation for our country to be in.