Respect or lack thereof

[sptrawler]

Looks like the young are getting more and more restless.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/machete-allegedly-swung-at-police-two-arrested-as-police-hunt-further-trio-involved-in-violent-robberies/news-story/051cbcdca8eb2944d09d4e2235341ba1

A horrifying video has revealed the moment a business owner was attacked by a group of masked men wielding a machete and a baseball bat inside his shop.
Police allege a group of five men wearing hoods and face coverings stormed into the store on Christina Rd in Villawood, in Sydney’s west, before 9.45pm on July 4.

CCTV footage from the business shows two men holding a machete and a baseball bat before they drag the business owner out from behind his desk.
While the 62-year-old is on the ground, two of the masked men can be seen repeatedly punching him and kicking him in the head.

The group of men allegedly stole cash from the business before fleeing in a hatchback.

According to police, the men had also been involved in a violent home invasion in Chester Hill two hours earlier.

Bankstown Acting Commander Darren Sly said the group forced they way into a home on Judith St and assaulted a 28-year-old male occupant before stealing two mobile phones.

CCTV footage from a neighbouring house shows the men filing into the house with their heads bowed before fleeing in a hurry minutes later.

The 28-year-old resident was taken to hospital with facial injuries.

Police spotted the getaway car with two people inside when patrolling about 10.45pm.

The pair ran but a 19-year-old allegedly swung his machete at police as he fled the scene.
The two males in custody were not co-operating, Detective Sly said.
Police also arrested a 16-year-old in a nearby backyard and charged him with goods in personal custody suspected of being stolen (not motor vehicle), recklessly deal with proceeds of crime, receiving, and possessing a prohibited drug.

Police are still searching for the other three men who are believed to have participated in the violent alleged crime spree.

 

[SirRumpole]

Looks like the young are getting more and more restless.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/machete-allegedly-swung-at-police-two-arrested-as-police-hunt-further-trio-involved-in-violent-robberies/news-story/051cbcdca8eb2944d09d4e2235341ba1

A horrifying video has revealed the moment a business owner was attacked by a group of masked men wielding a machete and a baseball bat inside his shop.
Police allege a group of five men wearing hoods and face coverings stormed into the store on Christina Rd in Villawood, in Sydney’s west, before 9.45pm on July 4.

CCTV footage from the business shows two men holding a machete and a baseball bat before they drag the business owner out from behind his desk.
While the 62-year-old is on the ground, two of the masked men can be seen repeatedly punching him and kicking him in the head.

The group of men allegedly stole cash from the business before fleeing in a hatchback.

According to police, the men had also been involved in a violent home invasion in Chester Hill two hours earlier.

Bankstown Acting Commander Darren Sly said the group forced they way into a home on Judith St and assaulted a 28-year-old male occupant before stealing two mobile phones.

CCTV footage from a neighbouring house shows the men filing into the house with their heads bowed before fleeing in a hurry minutes later.

The 28-year-old resident was taken to hospital with facial injuries.

Police spotted the getaway car with two people inside when patrolling about 10.45pm.

The pair ran but a 19-year-old allegedly swung his machete at police as he fled the scene.
The two males in custody were not co-operating, Detective Sly said.
Police also arrested a 16-year-old in a nearby backyard and charged him with goods in personal custody suspected of being stolen (not motor vehicle), recklessly deal with proceeds of crime, receiving, and possessing a prohibited drug.

Police are still searching for the other three men who are believed to have participated in the violent alleged crime spree.

The only thing I can see is forget about the "deprived youth" rubbish and lock the b@stards up for the longest time possible.

I don't care about them, but I do care about their victims.

 

[sptrawler]

It's getting scary out there, no wonder no one is joining the police forec.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/awaba-rd-toronto-police-officer-allegedly-slashed-during-domestic-violence-investigation/news-story/3abd0e0301d4f9d50d9c38f15566f6c0

A police officer in northern New South Wales was allegedly slashed with a hidden blade while arresting two “hostile” men.
Police were called to Awaba Rd in Toronto about 3.20pm to reports of alleged domestic violence.

On arrival, two men allegedly barricaded themselves inside the property before officers forced their way in through the back door, a New South Wales police spokesman said.

Police say both men “struggled” with a male officer allegedly suffering lacerations to his leg, hand and torso.

“Other officers on scene suffered minor injuries,” the spokesman said.

Toronto is a suburb of the City of Lack Macquarie, about 30km south west of Newcastle.

 

[sptrawler]

Curfew being considered after off-duty police officers allegedly assaulted by 20 youths in Alice Springs

NT Police are urging any eyewitnesses to come forward with information after the incident, which happened on a walkway crossing the town's Todd River in the early hours of Sunday morning.

www.abc.net.au

The NT's police minister says a second curfew in Alice Springs is being considered after four off-duty police officers were allegedly assaulted on Sunday morning by a group of around 20 youths.

In a statement this afternoon, NT Police said the four officers — three women and one man — were approached from behind by the group and then allegedly assaulted and robbed.

The incident happened at 2.15am on a walkway crossing the Todd River, which cuts through Alice Springs.

NT Police said the four officers were on their way to a hotel on Barrett Drive, on the opposite side of the Todd River from the Alice Springs CBD.

 

[farmerge]

Curfew being considered after off-duty police officers allegedly assaulted by 20 youths in Alice Springs

NT Police are urging any eyewitnesses to come forward with information after the incident, which happened on a walkway crossing the town's Todd River in the early hours of Sunday morning.

www.abc.net.au

The NT's police minister says a second curfew in Alice Springs is being considered after four off-duty police officers were allegedly assaulted on Sunday morning by a group of around 20 youths.

In a statement this afternoon, NT Police said the four officers — three women and one man — were approached from behind by the group and then allegedly assaulted and robbed.

The incident happened at 2.15am on a walkway crossing the Todd River, which cuts through Alice Springs.

NT Police said the four officers were on their way to a hotel on Barrett Drive, on the opposite side of the Todd River from the Alice Springs CBD.

Little to no respect of anyone and police in particular.
If caught, London to a Brick a slap on the writ, because they are the "Untouchables" in today's society.
Brings to mind an incident of about 30years ago near where we used to live,
A family had no control over their offspring.
We had a Sgt doing his last 3 years before retirement locally.
In one short session the problem was solved.
When I asked him why things had changed, he said Pain and plenty of it.
They won't be coming back for more, and he was right, they weren't game to even give cheek after that little episode.

 

[sptrawler]

This isn't one of the worst suburbs, but it shows how things are escalating and I really hope things improve.
But I wouldn't put money on it, sometimes it is just a cyclical sign of the times IMO.

Nightmare neighbours: Public housing tenants terrorise Perth suburb

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacking others with hammers at the supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is with pepper spray and a cattle prod.

www.watoday.com.au

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacked with hammers at the local supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is if you’re carrying pepper spray and a cattle prod.

Not London, Mexico or the Middle East but Maddington, a small suburb in Perth’s south-east.
And its residents have had enough.

Last week a community meeting attracted more than 150 people who claim they have repeatedly reported antisocial behaviour, violence, death threats, vandalism, theft and drug use from public housing tenants to the Department of Communities with zero outcome.

They shared their stories in what they say will be the first of many public forums as they call on action from the government and WA Police to step in and do something about what they have labelled an escalating “crime crisis”.

Katrina bought her Maddington home 15 years ago. Two years ago she took out a violence restraining order against her neighbours after repeatedly being verbally abused and threatened with violence, but it wasn’t until she hired a lawyer and threatened the Department of Communities with legal action that they were evicted.

She calls those two years, in which she made 47 official complaints, “complete and utter hell”.

Another local said her three children slept with baseball bats in their bedrooms because they had been broken into five times since December.

“What are we supposed to do?” she asked at the meeting.

“We’ve been to the police. We’ve given them our footage but every time their faces are covered, so they can’t do anything.

“They’re taking fingerprints but they’re always wearing gloves. So that’s my question; what are we supposed to do? We’ve had a gutful, and I’ll be honest, I put spikes around the inside of my fence because my kids are scared. They won’t go out after five o’clock. They don’t go anywhere anymore. They stay home with us.”

Locals told the meeting they believed it was a small section of Department of Housing tenants responsible for an increase in general crime in the suburb.
One attendee alleged he was attacked with a hammer at the local IGA two weeks ago.

He had been intervening in a dispute, trying to protect the store’s young staff when he allegedly got assaulted.

A street away, 62-year-old Esther Montgomery lives in an over-55s complex on Sheoak Road. She says the elderly residents there have been terrorised by groups of youths.

Melanie Samuels, deputy director general of WA’s Department of Communities, attended the meeting with the Housing Minister’s parliamentary secretary David Scaife and Steve Martin, deputy leader of the Liberal Party, as well as numerous City of Gosnells councillors.

“What are you going to do to protect us?” one woman asked.

“What are you going to do to protect us from the people that you won’t deal with, that you won’t hold accountable?

“What are you doing for us? Because our lives are being ruined.”

Samuels, the deputy DG, told the audience the department did its “very best” to ensure tenants fulfilled their tenancy obligations.
She said a magistrate was the only person who could evict a public housing tenant, but locals retorted that the department’s too-narrow complaints procedure and an outdated Residential Tenancies Act needed to change.

“Communities does investigate all disruptive behaviour complaints in accordance with its obligations under the RTA,” Samuels responded.
We do take a firm approach to disruptive behaviour, particularly if there are serious and ongoing disruptive behaviour complaints at a particular property.”

But community members claim they are being told their complaint will not qualify as a “strike” against a tenant if they are not an immediate neighbour.

“These people aren’t just a nuisance to their immediate neighbours; they’re terrorising the town,” one told WAtoday.

“And some of their immediate neighbours won’t complain because they’re scared of the consequences.”
City of Gosnells councillor Glenn Dewhurst chaired the meeting and said 60 per cent of the people he had spoken to about crime in the town would not attend because they were scared to go out after dark.

“We’re talking about houses that have been provided by the state that are actually being used for criminal behaviour,” he said.

“We’ve got people down here living in absolute fear.”

A WA Police spokesperson said Maddington had recently experienced a reduction is crimes such as burglaries and the stealing of vehicles but acknowledged the area had experienced an increase in offending relating to matters such as stealing (such as retail theft) and family violence.

They said officers were working hard to address the issues “that are not unique to Maddington” and said it was not possible for officers to attend all community events in response to questions as to why they were not at the meeting.

“Local and district-based officers, including Officers in Charge and district management teams, regularly engage with community representatives and try to attend as many community forum type events as possible,” they said.

A petition has been launched to lobby the government to take action and further meetings are planned.

 

[wayneL]

This isn't one of the worst suburbs, but it shows how things are escalating and I really hope things improve.
But I wouldn't put money on it, sometimes it is just a cyclical sign of the times IMO.

Nightmare neighbours: Public housing tenants terrorise Perth suburb

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacking others with hammers at the supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is with pepper spray and a cattle prod.

www.watoday.com.au

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacked with hammers at the local supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is if you’re carrying pepper spray and a cattle prod.

Not London, Mexico or the Middle East but Maddington, a small suburb in Perth’s south-east.
And its residents have had enough.

Last week a community meeting attracted more than 150 people who claim they have repeatedly reported antisocial behaviour, violence, death threats, vandalism, theft and drug use from public housing tenants to the Department of Communities with zero outcome.

They shared their stories in what they say will be the first of many public forums as they call on action from the government and WA Police to step in and do something about what they have labelled an escalating “crime crisis”.

Katrina bought her Maddington home 15 years ago. Two years ago she took out a violence restraining order against her neighbours after repeatedly being verbally abused and threatened with violence, but it wasn’t until she hired a lawyer and threatened the Department of Communities with legal action that they were evicted.

She calls those two years, in which she made 47 official complaints, “complete and utter hell”.

Another local said her three children slept with baseball bats in their bedrooms because they had been broken into five times since December.

“What are we supposed to do?” she asked at the meeting.

“We’ve been to the police. We’ve given them our footage but every time their faces are covered, so they can’t do anything.

“They’re taking fingerprints but they’re always wearing gloves. So that’s my question; what are we supposed to do? We’ve had a gutful, and I’ll be honest, I put spikes around the inside of my fence because my kids are scared. They won’t go out after five o’clock. They don’t go anywhere anymore. They stay home with us.”

Locals told the meeting they believed it was a small section of Department of Housing tenants responsible for an increase in general crime in the suburb.
One attendee alleged he was attacked with a hammer at the local IGA two weeks ago.

He had been intervening in a dispute, trying to protect the store’s young staff when he allegedly got assaulted.

A street away, 62-year-old Esther Montgomery lives in an over-55s complex on Sheoak Road. She says the elderly residents there have been terrorised by groups of youths.

Melanie Samuels, deputy director general of WA’s Department of Communities, attended the meeting with the Housing Minister’s parliamentary secretary David Scaife and Steve Martin, deputy leader of the Liberal Party, as well as numerous City of Gosnells councillors.

“What are you going to do to protect us?” one woman asked.

“What are you going to do to protect us from the people that you won’t deal with, that you won’t hold accountable?

“What are you doing for us? Because our lives are being ruined.”

Samuels, the deputy DG, told the audience the department did its “very best” to ensure tenants fulfilled their tenancy obligations.
She said a magistrate was the only person who could evict a public housing tenant, but locals retorted that the department’s too-narrow complaints procedure and an outdated Residential Tenancies Act needed to change.

“Communities does investigate all disruptive behaviour complaints in accordance with its obligations under the RTA,” Samuels responded.
We do take a firm approach to disruptive behaviour, particularly if there are serious and ongoing disruptive behaviour complaints at a particular property.”

But community members claim they are being told their complaint will not qualify as a “strike” against a tenant if they are not an immediate neighbour.

“These people aren’t just a nuisance to their immediate neighbours; they’re terrorising the town,” one told WAtoday.

“And some of their immediate neighbours won’t complain because they’re scared of the consequences.”
City of Gosnells councillor Glenn Dewhurst chaired the meeting and said 60 per cent of the people he had spoken to about crime in the town would not attend because they were scared to go out after dark.

“We’re talking about houses that have been provided by the state that are actually being used for criminal behaviour,” he said.

“We’ve got people down here living in absolute fear.”

A WA Police spokesperson said Maddington had recently experienced a reduction is crimes such as burglaries and the stealing of vehicles but acknowledged the area had experienced an increase in offending relating to matters such as stealing (such as retail theft) and family violence.

They said officers were working hard to address the issues “that are not unique to Maddington” and said it was not possible for officers to attend all community events in response to questions as to why they were not at the meeting.

“Local and district-based officers, including Officers in Charge and district management teams, regularly engage with community representatives and try to attend as many community forum type events as possible,” they said.

A petition has been launched to lobby the government to take action and further meetings are planned.

Haha Maddington, one of the shytehole suburbs. And yes the scary thing is that it's not the worst.

 

[farmerge]

This isn't one of the worst suburbs, but it shows how things are escalating and I really hope things improve.
But I wouldn't put money on it, sometimes it is just a cyclical sign of the times IMO.

Nightmare neighbours: Public housing tenants terrorise Perth suburb

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacking others with hammers at the supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is with pepper spray and a cattle prod.

www.watoday.com.au

Welcome to the town where 10-year-olds are threatening people with knives, people are attacked with hammers at the local supermarket and the only way to go out after dark is if you’re carrying pepper spray and a cattle prod.

Not London, Mexico or the Middle East but Maddington, a small suburb in Perth’s south-east.
And its residents have had enough.

Last week a community meeting attracted more than 150 people who claim they have repeatedly reported antisocial behaviour, violence, death threats, vandalism, theft and drug use from public housing tenants to the Department of Communities with zero outcome.

They shared their stories in what they say will be the first of many public forums as they call on action from the government and WA Police to step in and do something about what they have labelled an escalating “crime crisis”.

Katrina bought her Maddington home 15 years ago. Two years ago she took out a violence restraining order against her neighbours after repeatedly being verbally abused and threatened with violence, but it wasn’t until she hired a lawyer and threatened the Department of Communities with legal action that they were evicted.

She calls those two years, in which she made 47 official complaints, “complete and utter hell”.

Another local said her three children slept with baseball bats in their bedrooms because they had been broken into five times since December.

“What are we supposed to do?” she asked at the meeting.

“We’ve been to the police. We’ve given them our footage but every time their faces are covered, so they can’t do anything.

“They’re taking fingerprints but they’re always wearing gloves. So that’s my question; what are we supposed to do? We’ve had a gutful, and I’ll be honest, I put spikes around the inside of my fence because my kids are scared. They won’t go out after five o’clock. They don’t go anywhere anymore. They stay home with us.”

Locals told the meeting they believed it was a small section of Department of Housing tenants responsible for an increase in general crime in the suburb.
One attendee alleged he was attacked with a hammer at the local IGA two weeks ago.

He had been intervening in a dispute, trying to protect the store’s young staff when he allegedly got assaulted.

A street away, 62-year-old Esther Montgomery lives in an over-55s complex on Sheoak Road. She says the elderly residents there have been terrorised by groups of youths.

Melanie Samuels, deputy director general of WA’s Department of Communities, attended the meeting with the Housing Minister’s parliamentary secretary David Scaife and Steve Martin, deputy leader of the Liberal Party, as well as numerous City of Gosnells councillors.

“What are you going to do to protect us?” one woman asked.

“What are you going to do to protect us from the people that you won’t deal with, that you won’t hold accountable?

“What are you doing for us? Because our lives are being ruined.”

Samuels, the deputy DG, told the audience the department did its “very best” to ensure tenants fulfilled their tenancy obligations.
She said a magistrate was the only person who could evict a public housing tenant, but locals retorted that the department’s too-narrow complaints procedure and an outdated Residential Tenancies Act needed to change.

“Communities does investigate all disruptive behaviour complaints in accordance with its obligations under the RTA,” Samuels responded.
We do take a firm approach to disruptive behaviour, particularly if there are serious and ongoing disruptive behaviour complaints at a particular property.”

But community members claim they are being told their complaint will not qualify as a “strike” against a tenant if they are not an immediate neighbour.

“These people aren’t just a nuisance to their immediate neighbours; they’re terrorising the town,” one told WAtoday.

“And some of their immediate neighbours won’t complain because they’re scared of the consequences.”
City of Gosnells councillor Glenn Dewhurst chaired the meeting and said 60 per cent of the people he had spoken to about crime in the town would not attend because they were scared to go out after dark.

“We’re talking about houses that have been provided by the state that are actually being used for criminal behaviour,” he said.

“We’ve got people down here living in absolute fear.”

A WA Police spokesperson said Maddington had recently experienced a reduction is crimes such as burglaries and the stealing of vehicles but acknowledged the area had experienced an increase in offending relating to matters such as stealing (such as retail theft) and family violence.

They said officers were working hard to address the issues “that are not unique to Maddington” and said it was not possible for officers to attend all community events in response to questions as to why they were not at the meeting.

“Local and district-based officers, including Officers in Charge and district management teams, regularly engage with community representatives and try to attend as many community forum type events as possible,” they said.

A petition has been launched to lobby the government to take action and further meetings are planned.

@sptrawler After reading this post I know that Maddington is not the only dump of a suburb, but I am certainly glad that we live where we do. I know for sure that if She or Me were challenged by scum like this, then...................... I have my own means of dealing with problems.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like student behaviour in schools is worsening.

Students assaulting multiple staff, carrying weapons: NSW schools’ behaviour crisis

About 2300 assaults were reported across the state’s private and public schools in the year to June.

www.smh.com.au

Assaults reported in NSW schools have surged to record levels in the past two years, as police are called dozens of times each week about violent incidents on school grounds.

New crime statistics, covering incidents at public and private schools, reveal almost 2300 assaults on school premises in the year to June, just below 2460 the year before.

The latest snapshot points to an alarming rise in intimidation, stalking and harassment incidents, with reports doubling to 1247 in a decade. Sexual offences, including sexual touching, spiked to 799 reports in the past year.

A separate dossier published by the NSW Education Department on Friday has detailed thousands of incidents in public schools, including reports of assaults involving multiple students, some filmed and circulated on social media.

“An executive staff member reports an assault occurred between students on school grounds. The incident was filmed by other students and disseminated over social media,” one report from a school in the Penrith area said.
Other reports included students assaulting “multiple staff members on school grounds”, with instances of staff members or students taken to hospital.

Crime data shows an 80 per cent rise in reports of assaults in schools over the decade, while use of drugs on school grounds has dropped over the decade, as has malicious damage to property.

 

[rcw1]

Sounds like student behaviour in schools is worsening.

Students assaulting multiple staff, carrying weapons: NSW schools’ behaviour crisis

About 2300 assaults were reported across the state’s private and public schools in the year to June.

www.smh.com.au

Assaults reported in NSW schools have surged to record levels in the past two years, as police are called dozens of times each week about violent incidents on school grounds.

New crime statistics, covering incidents at public and private schools, reveal almost 2300 assaults on school premises in the year to June, just below 2460 the year before.

The latest snapshot points to an alarming rise in intimidation, stalking and harassment incidents, with reports doubling to 1247 in a decade. Sexual offences, including sexual touching, spiked to 799 reports in the past year.

A separate dossier published by the NSW Education Department on Friday has detailed thousands of incidents in public schools, including reports of assaults involving multiple students, some filmed and circulated on social media.

“An executive staff member reports an assault occurred between students on school grounds. The incident was filmed by other students and disseminated over social media,” one report from a school in the Penrith area said.
Other reports included students assaulting “multiple staff members on school grounds”, with instances of staff members or students taken to hospital.

Crime data shows an 80 per cent rise in reports of assaults in schools over the decade, while use of drugs on school grounds has dropped over the decade, as has malicious damage to property.

Hi sptrawler
not sure what the answer is. It is pretty much everywhere in our cities. Country areas have issues too but do not think to the same levels though.

Them stats don't take into account the crime committed by the many that do not attend school, reckon there would be plenty of mischief going on.

Certainly there are respect issues and educational issues abound amongst other things.

Kind regards
rcw1

 

[sptrawler]

Hi sptrawler
not sure what the answer is. It is pretty much everywhere in our cities. Country areas have issues too but do not think to the same levels though.

Them stats don't take into account the crime committed by the many that do not attend school, reckon there would be plenty of mischief going on.

Certainly there are respect issues and educational issues abound amongst other things.

Kind regards
rcw1

Respect is earned, but if it is never requested, it is never given.

 

[farmerge]

Respect is earned, but if it is never requested, it is never given.

I seem to remember my days at school.
One step out of line and either the male teacher or the headmaster had no calms about bringing out the cane.
Not that I was a recipient of it very often.
One thing about pain, who wants to revisit it.

 

[sptrawler]

I seem to remember my days at school.
One step out of line and either the male teacher or the headmaster had no calms about bringing out the cane.
Not that I was a recipient of it very often.
One thing about pain, who wants to revisit it.

I unfortunately grew up in mining towns, where the young tended to get a bit out of line, usually through boredom or competing for limited female attention, so i wasn't unfamiliar with the cane.
I wouldn't say it stopped the mischief, but it did make one think before playing up, whether the risk was worth it.
That is the thing about harsh punishment, it puts the responsibility on the perpetrator to make the hard choices, before they commit the offence.
The cane was cruel and hurt like hell, but kids that didn't misbehave, didn't get to feel it.
It certainly didn't leave any lasting damage to me.
Well not that I know of.

 

[wayneL]

I unfortunately grew up in mining towns, where the young tended to get a bit out of line, usually through boredom or competing for limited female attention, so i wasn't unfamiliar with the cane.
I wouldn't say it stopped the mischief, but it did make one think before playing up, whether the risk was worth it.
That is the thing about harsh punishment, it puts the responsibility on the perpetrator to make the hard choices, before they commit the offence.
The cane was cruel and hurt like hell, but kids that didn't misbehave, didn't get to feel it.
It certainly didn't leave any lasting damage to me.
Well not that I know of.

Ever had the yellow pages behind the cop shop?

 

[sptrawler]

Ever had the yellow pages behind the cop shop?

Yes the cops at Kambalda pulled me in for cutting up the golf course, on my motocross bike when I was about 14, after a few smacks around the ear they realised it was a case of mistaken identity.
I was just pleased a cop walked in, who new a bit about motorbikes and I could convince him it wasn't mine that wrecked the greens.