JENNY BROCKIE: Shakira, a final comment from you, what do you think needs to happen now?
SHAKIRA HUSSEIN: I think what needs to happen is people need to recognise, Muslims and noon Muslims that Muslim women are being done over twice. They being done over because they are the object of the kind of vilification that's been directed at the community as a whole and I'm sorry, Keysar Trad but they are also being done over because too many Muslim men are using racism as an excuse for not dealing with appropriately, because there is a media beat up, then that's an excuse for just going away and saying the poor man, he's being vilified, character assassination, let's just let it all pass.
SHAKIRA HUSSEIN: I just wanted to tell Bronwyn that if the aim of her statements is to have fewer Muslim girls wearing hijab then she's going about it the wrong way. The only time in my life in Australia that I ever wanted to put one on was after her speech last week. I want to not wear it because I'm annoyed with al-Hilali but then I hear Bronwyn and I want to put it on. Every day I get dressed I have to work out who I'm most angry with.
kennas said:Anyone know the actual cultural reason for Arabic women to cover up their modesty? (It's an Arabian thing, not Islamic)
I've never heard that given by any Muslim as a reason for wearing the hijab.arlee123 said:cause its desert in arab area.....too hot...too much sunlight..to need that to protect the skin...i think
Maybe the answer is that EVERYONE should wear them!! - then us blokes wouldn't have to shave every morning.Julia said:.. it was simply convenient as they didn't have to think about what their hair looked like ... I imagine the reasons for wearing veils or whatever are as numerous as the wearers.
2020hindsight said:groups of seven
lol - you back on those 70 virgins again? lol you crazy ,new girl said:x 10?.
2020hindsight said:lol - you back on those 70 virgins again? lol you crazy ,
From ABC, November 27, 2006
Thousands rally against change in Pakistan rape laws
Thousands of supporters of hardline Islamic parties have staged a rally in Pakistan to protest against the passage of a Bill that amends the country's Islamic rape laws.
Pakistani Parliament this month voted that rape and adultery cases should no longer be heard under the country's harsh religious laws.
The Islamic hardliners boycotted the proceedings.
Around 8,000 people participated in the rally called by the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), an alliance of six fundamentalist parties.
MMA activists carrying banners and placards chanted slogans against President Pervez Musharraf and Pakistan's "war on terror" ally the United States.
"We'll intensify our protests to mobilise the people to stand against the induction of anti-Islamic laws," a central MMA leader, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, told the rally.
He claimed that secular parties were trying to change the country's Islamic identity.
"Secular parties have sided with military dictator General Musharraf to change the Islamic identity of Pakistan, which we would not allow," he said.
Slamming the Parliament, another leader, Liaquat Baloch, said MMA lawmakers would resign from their seats next month.
"This Bill has been passed by General Musharraf to appease his masters in Washington," he said.
The Parliament overwhelmingly approved the Women Protection Bill to overhaul widely criticised religious legislation known as Hudood Laws.
The laws have run parallel to Pakistan's British-influenced penal code.
The late military dictator, General Zia ul Haq, introduced the Hudood Laws 27 years ago as part of a sweeping Islamisation of Pakistan that coincided with the country's role in the anti-Soviet "jihad" in Afghanistan.
The Hudood laws say that women must produce four Muslim male witnesses as evidence of rape - an almost impossible burden of evidence - or potentially face adultery charges themselves.
The maximum sentence for adultery by a man or a woman under the laws is death by stoning, although that has never been enforced and those convicted of the crime get jail or a fine instead.
Human rights groups, who have long campaigned for a change in the law, hailed the Bill as a step forward for Pakistani women.
- AFP
Must admit, I didn't enoy watching him being championed and chaired aloft by worshippers after the last round of "slipups". Man doesn't deserve to be in a position of representing others. imho. just one "slipup" after another, one insult after another, one apology after another, etc etcThe founder of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia (IFAA) has apologised for comments made by the Sydney cleric, Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali, in a television interview.
Sheikh Al Hilali was embroiled in controversy in October, after reports that in a sermon he had compared scantily clad women to uncovered meat.
During an interview on satellite television this week the mufti reportedly said Muslim gang rapists received overly heavy sentences because of their religion and people who paid to come to Australia had more of a right to be here than descendents of those who came in shackles.
IFAA spokesman Keysar Trad says says he apologises for the comments if they have caused offence, but says the Sheikh has been misinterpreted.
"I do understand that some people taking these comments without looking at the full video would take offence to them," he said.
"As an Australian Muslim... I do feel like apologising to these people and also appealing to them to understand the context, it would seem he was trying to explain away that controversy and put it behind him and there were a couple of slip-ups."
We must think alike Insider, I'm sick of this & huge numbers of Aussies are as well.insider said:YEP THE SHEIK IS AT IT AGAIN... INSULTING THE VERY SAME COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES HIM WITH A FIRST WORLD LIVING...
HERE IS THE HYPER LINK
ARTICLE
2020hindsight said:and conversely ..Islamic association apologises over Al Hilali comments..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1825372.htm
Must admit, I didn't enoy watching him being championed and chaired aloft by worshippers after the last round of "slipups". Man doesn't deserve to be in a position of representing others. imho. just one "slipup" after another, one insult after another, one apology after another, etc etc(it has got to the point where even the apologies are insults !! - insults to our intelligence!)
PS on the aboriginal thread, the question of unrepresentative proportion of blacks in custody came up. Well after the Cronulla "riots", there was likewise an unrepresentative proportion of white boys jailed compared to the moslem boys.This Mufti is a serious antagonistic influence.
ABC , Last Update: Thursday, January 11, 2007. 7:14pm (AEDT)
ISLAMIC ASSOCIATION APOLOGISES OVER AL HILALI COMMENTS
The founder of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia (IFAA) has apologised for comments made by the Sydney cleric, Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali, in a television interview.
Sheikh Al Hilali was embroiled in controversy in October, after reports that in a sermon he had compared scantily clad women to uncovered meat.
During an interview on satellite television this week the mufti reportedly said Muslim gang rapists received overly heavy sentences because of their religion and people who paid to come to Australia had more of a right to be here than descendents of those who came in shackles.
IFAA spokesman Keysar Trad says says he apologises for the comments if they have caused offence, but says the Sheikh has been misinterpreted.
"I do understand that some people taking these comments without looking at the full video would take offence to them," he said.
"As an Australian Muslim... I do feel like apologising to these people and also appealing to them to understand the context, it would seem he was trying to explain away that controversy and put it behind him and there were a couple of slip-ups."
Mr Trad says the Sheikh's comments were not intended to be malicious.
"The question was put to him, before making that comment, is that if you're under the spotlight so much why live there, why not come back and live in the country of your birth, and he said we have every right to live there basically we're not shackled to be there, we don't choose to be there, we paid our own way, implying that he loves Australia and loves being in Australia," he said.
ABC , Last Update: Friday, January 12, 2007. 7:14am (AEDT)
SHEIK'S COMMENTS NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY, DOWNER SAYS
The Foreign Affairs Minister, Alexander Downer, says Australians are no longer taking comments by Muslim cleric Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilali seriously.
The Sydney Sheik has reportedly told Egyptian television that people who paid to come to Australia have more of a right to be here than those who arrived in shackles.
He is also reported to have said that Muslim gang rapists receive heavy sentences because of their religion.
A supporter of the cleric has apologised for any offence caused, but says the Sheik's remarks have been taken out of context.
Mr Downer says the Sheik's outbursts are increasingly being ridiculed by Australians.
"I don't think people are really taking him terribly seriously any more, this sort of nonsense about convicts and so on," he said.
"Look I'm a South Australian and South Australia was never a convict colony so ... [I am] very relaxed about what people say about convicts."
From ABC, January 12, 2007
SHEIK'S COMMENTS SPUR CALLS TO IMMIGRATION DEPT
Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone says her office has received a large number of calls from people who are outraged by comments reportedly made by Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilali.
The Sheik reportedly told Egyptian television people who paid to come to Australia have a greater right to be in the country than Anglo-Saxons who arrived in shackles.
He is also reported to have said the Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity.
Senator Vanstone says Sheik Al Hilali has used these same freedoms on countless occasions to attack Australia's heritage, society and values.
She has also reminded the Sheik that if he does not like Australia, he does not have to come back.
Julia said:I've never heard that given by any Muslim as a reason for wearing the hijab.
Most of the reasons I've heard centre around the concept of "modesty".
But then a while ago I was amused to hear a couple of Muslim women discussing the topic on Radio National and they agreed that it was simply convenient as they didn't have to think about what their hair looked like or what clothes to wear. Also, that it didn't matter if they put on too much weight as no one would notice.
I imagine the reasons for wearing veils or whatever are as numerous as the wearers.
Julia
Julia said:Perhaps women could just go for full body armour and be done with it, huh?
Julia
IGO4IT said:as I said, its a precautionary measure to protect women IF they like to take a precautionary measure & get good points by following god's rules.
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