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Religious leader condemns RAPE

nice one.
yeah, shakira hussien comment in particular made me a bit queasy...


a few minute before that, she said to brownyn bishop...


Just as an aside, I think Jenny Brockie is one useless compere, she lets her preconcieved ideas and obvious partialism, interfere with robust debate and ends up turning the most debates more into a political circus!
 
kennas said:
Anyone know the actual cultural reason for Arabic women to cover up their modesty? (It's an Arabian thing, not Islamic)

cause its desert in arab area.....too hot...too much sunlight..to need that to protect the skin...i think
 
arlee123 said:
cause its desert in arab area.....too hot...too much sunlight..to need that to protect the skin...i think
I've never heard that given by any Muslim as a reason for wearing the hijab.
Most of the reasons I've heard centre around the concept of "modesty".
But then a while ago I was amused to hear a couple of Muslim women discussing the topic on Radio National and they agreed that it was simply convenient as they didn't have to think about what their hair looked like or what clothes to wear. Also, that it didn't matter if they put on too much weight as no one would notice.

I imagine the reasons for wearing veils or whatever are as numerous as the wearers.

Julia
 
Julia said:
.. it was simply convenient as they didn't have to think about what their hair looked like ... I imagine the reasons for wearing veils or whatever are as numerous as the wearers.
Maybe the answer is that EVERYONE should wear them!! - then us blokes wouldn't have to shave every morning.

Gee but times have changed since I was a teenager - Only veils I ever heard about came in groups of seven, and there was dancing involved.

(and - even though the dance originated in the middle east , rape was never even considered , it was called CIVILIZED entertainment)
 
2020hindsight said:
groups of seven

x 10?


PS: shaving once a day is a small price to pay for you boys to enjoy the final product of waxing, nails, hair, make up and the pain that comes with high heels!.
 

This could explain some of the antics we see in parts of our multicultural fabric.

Customs and beliefs are deeply ingrained and can be seen as partial explanation of comments made even by clerics.
 
YEP THE SHEIK IS AT IT AGAIN... INSULTING THE VERY SAME COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES HIM WITH A FIRST WORLD LIVING...

HERE IS THE HYPER LINK
ARTICLE
 
and conversely .. Islamic association apologises over Al Hilali comments..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1825372.htm
Must admit, I didn't enoy watching him being championed and chaired aloft by worshippers after the last round of "slipups". Man doesn't deserve to be in a position of representing others. imho. just one "slipup" after another, one insult after another, one apology after another, etc etc (it has got to the point where even the apologies are insults !! - insults to our intelligence!)

PS on the aboriginal thread, the question of unrepresentative proportion of blacks in custody came up. Well after the Cronulla "riots", there was likewise an unrepresentative proportion of white boys jailed compared to the moslem boys. This Mufti is a serious antagonistic influence.
 
insider said:
YEP THE SHEIK IS AT IT AGAIN... INSULTING THE VERY SAME COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES HIM WITH A FIRST WORLD LIVING...

HERE IS THE HYPER LINK
ARTICLE
We must think alike Insider, I'm sick of this & huge numbers of Aussies are as well.

Cheers
Bob.
 

With idiots in power and positions of influence running the country alined with the PC brigade what else could we expect?

The part in RED has made me RED for a while now.
 

Excuse after excuse after excuse, until we get used to it.


Australian Government’s response -



Probably one method to believe that problem doesn’t exist.

But to me and probably other scared citizens, we are up against determined group of people who eventually hope to take control of this land and have only religion, their religion and only rule, their rule.

Pretending that this is not brewing is probably bit naive, probably associated with 3-year term of the government.

In 3 years time it might not be their worry, so why worry?
 


It is funny that we are at his mercy if he comes back or not.

How about revoke citizenship and make him reapply and see how his character qualifies for re-entry visa.
 

Nice one covering their hair to not worry about fixinig it

its basic people, every reliegon has its rules....or....symbolic rules, In Islam, God...had his rules to tell people what to do if they want to be believers.

Hijab is both a psychological & practical commitment from a woman that she would be able to cover a big part of her beauty in an effort or a try to prevent others from being attracted to her based on her looks!! & ....as many will say ..... to not let the "men monsters" who are mentally sick or capable or doing bizzare doings like rape, sexual harrasement or whatever.... from getting close to her as her sexappeal will be "less" than others, practically, minimising her chances of being on the spotlight or a radar of any sex maniac considering the traditional theory that sex maniacs usually have to be attracted physically to their victim & that in general some people while they're drunk for example could get very excited & do crazy things if woman is really wearing revealing clothing!

Now, before you go crazy at me, I'll give you a good example, govt give rules to drivers not to speed more than 110km/hour on highways, knowing in fact that having a rule ONLY will not stop anyone from speeding, so they make it a law, a protective law, NOT NECESSERILY that if you speed you'll die, & NOT NECESSERILY that it will be your fault on the road to have an accident, it could be a drunk driver or unlicensed boof who hits you!!! some individuals may realise how dangerous speeding is & install a speed limiter on their cars to make it NOT exceed 110km/hour as they're scared of having an accident.

if we could consider having a hijab (NOT COVERING THE FACE just the hair), is same as putting a speed limiter in trying to avoid an accident. of course we can't compare human beings to cars but the idea here is that some good drivers can do 200km/hour without having an accident & others can do 50km/hour while having an accident, the reliegon gave the hijab as a "precautionary step" that if ladies would like to protect themselves from maniacs & lunatics & mentally ill people then they follow god's law & wear it, then if they wear Hijab it should "minimise" thier chances of getting attacked by those maniacs & mentally ill people, considering the theory that most likely they would get attacked based on the level of how sexy they are in the chance that they are ever to be targeted by any mentally ill or sex maniac.

Practically, it's like putting a seat belt while driving, you could have your seatbelt & still die in an accident but chances of getting hurt are LESS if you have a seatbelt on than if you don't have it on.

Of course as all God's instructions or rules are, they all come with "you have to" & that you'll be a better person if you follow my instructions & that you'll get good points & you'll get to heaven if you do follow the rules. some understand the idea behind the rule & some don't & just follow & find it convinient to not being able to worry about their hair

Sheikh Taj doesn't have complete grasp on English or how can he explain Reliegon or reason behind some rules, Arabic is very complicated language & due to its "many meanings" to the same word depending the tone & body language, timing, etc....the same word could mean many things & he assumes that everyone (Inc. those that don't speak Arabic) would have the same cultural & historical backgroung as himself or as middleeasteners.

I don't agree with Sheikh Taj in many things & I think he pushed it about women being responsible for getting raped. The Australian society we're living in now is a lot more acceptable to women's revealed clothing than what it is in other places on earth. Having a precautionary measure like having a hijab may not stop a lunatic from raping a girl & having a girl with a bikini may not also give an extra reason for a person or a permit to assault that woman. The idea here is that he may be considered in some sense to be someone who advocates for using the "precautionary" measure as the Hijab but unfortunately he stuffed up & used crazy metaphors.

cheers,
 
Perhaps women could just go for full body armour and be done with it, huh?

Julia
 
Julia said:
Perhaps women could just go for full body armour and be done with it, huh?

Julia

well, I guess its the same if you think that having a full body armour while driving instead of having a seatbelt will further minimise your chances of getting hurt in case of an accident then go for it

as I said, its a precautionary measure to protect women IF they like to take a precautionary measure & get good points by following god's rules.

Obviously you don't believe in taking that particular precautionary level & that's fine! Many people all over the world drive without seatbelts & still don't die, its your decision.........this is what releigon is all about......decisions

cheers,
 
IGO4IT said:
as I said, its a precautionary measure to protect women IF they like to take a precautionary measure & get good points by following god's rules.

To even compare the wearing of a seat belt to avoid injury when in a car, with wearing the hijab to avoid being raped is evil. No, that isnt even the word for it. Cant think of anything that remotely expresses my disgust that anyone could think like that.
 
Seeing as we seem to be running with the driving analogies....
If you are wearing a seatbelt it does lessen your chances of serious injury if a speeding and /or a drunk driver hits you. Even if you are not wearing a seatbelt it is the drunk-speeding driver who is held responsible, and has his driving privileges and sometimes his liberty removed.
As there seems to be a group of men in our diverse society who cannot control themselves if they see a womens uncovered hair and face maybe we should help them by fitting them with seatbelts in the appropriate area.
By the way, there's nothing quite like taking responsibility for your own actions.
 
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