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luutzu said:
I didn't say Australians are starving, I said a living wage.

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I was referring to this statement.

now need to retrain again or get some other job else don't eat?
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We have unemployment benefits that will assure people can continue eating in between jobs, as I said we aren't feeding them to the wolves, they will be ok, so I don't think reducing numbers is a moral issue.


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Anyway I am losing a bit of interest, I think I am getting repetitive and maybe I should be doing some reading rather than trying to talk you out of your cynical ways.

Have fun, and try to focus on all the bridges that work well every day, not just the one that made the paper because it fell down.
 
Value Collector said:
I was referring to this statement.




We have unemployment benefits that will assure people can continue eating in between jobs, as I said we aren't feeding them to the wolves, they will be ok, so I don't think reducing numbers is a moral issue.
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I read that it now takes 6 weeks or 3 months from date of application to then receive it. Something along that line?

Anyway, point is, we all must be responsible for our own and our fellow citizens well being... and being responsible for others, or thinking about their interests as well, does not fit in with the profit-only motive.
 
Value Collector said:
I was referring to this statement.




We have unemployment benefits that will assure people can continue eating in between jobs, as I said we aren't feeding them to the wolves, they will be ok, so I don't think reducing numbers is a moral issue.


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Anyway I am losing a bit of interest, I think I am getting repetitive and maybe I should be doing some reading rather than trying to talk you out of your cynical ways.

Have fun, and try to focus on all the bridges that work well every day, not just the one that made the paper because it fell down.
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Cynicism or Realism, hard to tell.

It's going to be pretty tough to convince people, cynical or not, that profit-driven corporations do not abuse their power and influence but are always doing good.
 
luutzu said:
Religion: Capitalism, Socialism.
Science: profit, innovation, efficiency.
Scepticism: exploitation, monopoly, slavery.
Philosophy: thinking about these stuff?
Metaphysical: Money, is it real and can it buy you your soul.

See, right on topics.
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:D

Someone should start a thread where you pay 50 cents to wind up VC and watch him argue the toss. ;)
 
Tisme said:
:D

Someone should start a thread where you pay 50 cents to wind up VC and watch him argue the toss. ;)
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You are committing a multitude of logical fallacies when you say things like that!

Which one's you ask?!

Just give me a moment whilst I find a website page to explain them.
 
cynic said:
You are committing a multitude of logical fallacies when you say things like that!
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How can he commit a multitude of logical fallacies when he isn't making an argument to begin with?
 
Ves said:
How can he commit a multitude of logical fallacies when he isn't making an argument to begin with?
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:D At risk of setting myself up into a duh moment, it was a sarcastic swipe at a particular member
 
Ves said:
How can he commit a multitude of logical fallacies when he isn't making an argument to begin with?
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Congratulations Ves, you just committed the "personal incredulity", "loaded question" and "fallacy" fallacies!

Uh oh, I seem to have just committed the "tu quoque" fallacy, alongside several others!!

The following site tells all! Employ the logically bereft "wisdom" therein at one's own peril! Uh oh, I think I may have just committed several more logical fallacies (genetic, ad hominem and the fallacy fallacy)! Does it never end?! Oh no that's a fallacy also!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=J_qBIw7qyHU

"Consciousness without brain activity?"

(Yes! I did notice that Dr Greyson committed the grievous error of claiming supercession of Newtonian physics by relativity, thereby, marring an otherwise entertaining discourse).

So! Is it time to be scientific, sceptical or metaphysical!

Dr Greyson might perchance be indulging all three!

So do we dismiss the body of evidence, to which Dr Greyson refers, in an effort to shield our current religious beliefs?
 
A friend drew my attention to this one years ago.

Given that the journalists are relatively unknown, and that the events shown could be easily fabricated, this won't pass the sceptic test.

As I have been personally witness to some amazing, albeit smaller, demonstrations of the application of "chi energy" and as such am quite willing to entertain the possibility that this may be genuine. Although the excuse given, for termination of the filming, sounded just a little too convenient whilst I wore my sceptic hat (most certainly not tinfoil).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q
 
Knowing this planets evolutionary story and the nature of things is so interesting and mind opening. There is so much more known nowadays and so much more to learn. Religion is forever stuck with the stories of people who did not know.
 
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