Fair points, although there are lots of examples of psychopaths who do quite well for themselves in society while maintaining a hatred for both society and the individuals within it.
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Fair points, although there are lots of examples of psychopaths who do quite well for themselves in society while maintaining a hatred for both society and the individuals within it.
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I am not aware of any historic records of it outside of the bible, which was written many years after it was said to have happened, How can you say this is real evidence. There is no evidence that even suggests jesus lived.
Its written in their scriptures just as the jesus story is written in yours. There is actually a hoof print on the roof of a mosque that they say is from the flying horse. Muhammad is actually a historically figure, jesus is not.
muslims have the same anecdotal claims.
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No evidence that Jesus even lived = wow. Just wow.
No credible historian would take this position. It is absurd.
Even the hardest atheists admit that Jesus was an historical character.
Events were written in the lifetime of eye witnesses.
Secular accounts written about an historic character named Jesus.
And that doesn't even touch on the resurrection yet.
It appears that you
A) have no real understanding of the branch of study known as history, how it is recorded and what is deemed reliable
B) no real understanding of what evidence there is for even Jesus' life, the dates of writings or how this evidence compares to other historical standards.
This is one of the more perplexing comments I've read in terms of historical evidence. I am genuinely shocked.
No credible historian would take this position. It is absurd.
Even the hardest atheists admit that Jesus was an historical character.
Events were written in the lifetime of eye witnesses.
Secular accounts written about an historic character named Jesus.
And that doesn't even touch on the resurrection yet.
It appears that you
A) have no real understanding of the branch of study known as history, how it is recorded and what is deemed reliable
B) no real understanding of what evidence there is for even Jesus' life, the dates of writings or how this evidence compares to other historical standards.
This is one of the more perplexing comments I've read in terms of historical evidence. I am genuinely shocked.
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there will always be lots of variation when it comes to the traits of individuals in a species. What defines the direction evolution will take is which of these traits survives most frequently, enhancing and concentrating that trait.
So if you look at antelope on the African savannah, being a prey species has made them evolve to move very vast over long distance to evade predators. But if you looked at the stats of each individual, there top speeds and endurance would vary. But eliminating the slowest 1% each generation, as a group they have gotten faster and fitter.
We are the same, We still have variation among individuals when it comes to conscience, but as a group over the last 100,000 generations we have probably improved.
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You know what, I'm leaving this discussion for a while. Cannot believe the rubbish I've been dished up.
My guess is that you are trolling me.
The other alternative is that you haven't taken the time to investigate much.
I'll be back another time guys.
My guess is that you are trolling me.
The other alternative is that you haven't taken the time to investigate much.
I'll be back another time guys.
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Where is the evidence outside of the bible?
To be a historical character you have to be in historical documents, the bible is not a historical document, and many of the events in jesus life are likely to be fabricated because they don't match other data.
None of the bible authors met jesus, the earlist text was written about 30 years after he had died, based on accounts that had been spread verbally
Such as. Where are these secular accounts.
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ok, so where is the evidence of that?
no it appears you over estimate the real evidence for Jesus.
I am not saying he didn't exist, just that there is no reliable evidence to say he did, and nothing that would show he came back from the dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
You could start here. I'm not a Christian, but find some of these debates interesting. I thought it was accepted by most historians that Jesus was at least a real person, most of the arguments about him seem to be about what he did, what is myth and what is not. This wiki page and the references there-in seem to confirm this.
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It's possible that there may have been a jewish rabbi wandering around middle east named Jesus, and his character was used as the base for the mythology that developed. But this is far from confirmed.
And if people want to go as far as saying that he rose from the dead etc, well that is certainly not confirmed, Also many parts of the Jesus story have be shown to be fabricated.
I put it in the category with King Arthur, there is some evidence that suggests there was an early nobleman on whom the king arther story was based, However this can not be shown to be true and doesn't come close to proving the full king Arthur story.
or santa claus, yes there was a saint Nicolas, but you can't say his existence is evidence of santa claus and all the supernatural santa claims. There is more evidence of saint Nicolas than Jesus by the way,
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Where is the death certificate?
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lol, its I that am cracking up.
Jesus is just a name. Plenty of people called Jesus and plenty called Muhammad, do believe any of them a god you would have to establish a lot more than their mere existence.
Oh really. How much about the bible do you actually know? Everyone in the New Testament and many in the old Testament met Jesus.
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They have all been answered for you. Examples of speciation and increased information have been give. But, arguing with anybody who regards a scientific rebuttal as pointing to a creationist website that from the outset declares that it doesn't use scientific methods to determine what the evidence says but only accepts evidence that agrees with the biblical account of creation is pointless. And to top it off, Lucy was not anything I had offered as a rebuttal, so how that in anyway could be seen as discounting my evidence fails me.
I have yet to see you actually address the evidence I have provided you with and show where it is wrong.
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The tragedy of blind faith.....
Pa. couple sent to prison for 2nd prayer death
http://wivb.com/2014/02/19/pa-couple-sent-to-prison-for-2nd-prayer-death/
Pa. couple sent to prison for 2nd prayer death
http://wivb.com/2014/02/19/pa-couple-sent-to-prison-for-2nd-prayer-death/
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Oh yes it is!
Some people do like to confuse subsets with whole sets!
What you are describing is a popular misconception of the meaning of the word religion. A revisitation of the definitions and root origins of the word should be sufficient ro remedy aforesaid misconception. Please learn the actual definition of the word religion because I can assure you that it is certainly not confined to theistic belief systems!
Many today express an understanding of religion as though it is confined to a mere subset of its true definition. Such limited understanding is further evidence of the faulty application of logic with which our society seems to be deeply afflicted. Such faulty logic is out of accord with the true practice of science.
It seems that we have found ourselves in accord here.
Practitioners of other religions are also using practical and theoretical methods in their search for understanding of the true nature and workings of the universe. In this regard the intent of science is no different from any of its competing religions. There may be variances in some of the rituals and holy texts, however, the faith that a scientist invests in his/her rituals of repeatable experiments and sacred doctrine (scientific theories, tabulated measurements, historical accounts etc.) has recognisable synonymity with the behaviour and intent of other religious devotees.
I find it interesting that you've chosen to overlook my comment about monopolisation of truth and religious bigotry. Could it be that you are able to recognise how closely your attitudes towards science, as compared to other religions, reflect the religious zealotry I've described?
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I said the authors of the bible didn't met Jesus. I know the characters met Jesus ( just like all the star wars charactors met luke and leia), But the actual guys that wrote it didn't.
and I think it is you that is unfamiliar with the text, please name one person from the old testament that met jesus.
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According to some, ... Abraham is in heaven!
He will have met Jesus (if he had time) amongst the billions of souls who are there!
To get to heaven he will have had to either:
a.) be baptised (catholic idea, I believe)
b.) accept Jesus (christian idea, I believe)
He would have required either:
a.) time travel into the future, to do either.
b.) wait in Purgatory (not biblical, therefore does not exist).
Therefore we have proved, by unassailable* logic, that time travel exists!!
*=burglar logic
Fair enough valued. If you have never actually believed then I could understand how you would know nothing about the bible. You did shoot yourself in the foot because Jesus met with lots of people. Kinda funny how that works itin it, Jesus meeting people in the bible that is. Infact, the bible is mainly about Jesus so to say he never actually met any of the authors is a tad strange.
Jesus first met with Abraham to promise him and Sarah a baby.
Jesus met with Moses constantly while he was leading Israel.
He met with many of the prophets in visions.
Don't you understand that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul were the Authors of the New Testament. They were also the main Characters as well. So to say what you said makes me think that I might need to use small words and mbey repeat myself a few times for you.