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I don't understand why they waste resources and blood on these people...let them go be with their god i say...:confused:

CanOz
 
CanOz said:
I don't understand why they waste resources and blood on these people...let them go be with their god i say...:confused:

CanOz
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I have to agree - even more for another reason:
Blood donors are scarce, and I can tell from personal experience, it's not the most enjoyable pastime to lie on a recliner, a needle in your arm, while a bag fills with your life blood. It's even worse when you donate plasma and platelets because the centrifugue is so much slower, and then your red blood cells are re-injected.

But you do it because you know it makes a big difference to some kid's health or even survival. When I then hear/ read that some dude feels "raped" by my trying to save his life, I guess I'm entitled to feeling "raped" myself.

Here is my suggestion how parents/ guardians/ mind twisters should be dealt with:
Anybody who refuses life-saving medical assistance on religious grounds should be free to have their own way and use prayers, faith healing, or anything they believe will work.
BUT:
If their method fails and the patient dies, take them to a Criminal Court for murder or at least homicide.
 
Good article in today's Sydney telegraph. Page 13. Tim Blair. I'm at work using my mobile, but will try to get a link up when I get home
 
DB008 said:
Good article in today's Sydney telegraph. Page 13. Tim Blair. I'm at work using my mobile, but will try to get a link up when I get home
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PATTERNS EMERGE​

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/patterns_emerge/

It’s now 14 days since the Boston Marathon was bombed by Islamic extremists, 406 days since an Islamic extremist shot Jewish children in France, 1171 days since Islamic extremists bombed Pune in India, 1270 days since an Islamic extremist murdered 13 people in Fort Hood, Texas, 1615 days since Islamic extremists launched an assault on Mumbai that killed 164 citizens, 2853 days since Islamic suicide bombers slaughtered 52 commuters in London, 3336 days since 191 were blown apart by Islamic extremists in Madrid, Spain, 3852 days since Islamic extremists killed 202 people including 88 Australians in Bali and 4248 days since nearly 3000 died in the Islamic extremist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In between times, it’s also been 2131 days since failed attempts by Islamic extremists to bomb London and Glasgow, 1546 days since Islamic extremists were jailed in NSW and Victoria for planning to bomb the 2005 AFL Grand Final, 226 days since a young Islamic woman was photographed during Sydney riots taking a snap of her four-year-old child holding a sign reading “Behead all those who insult the prophet” and just four days since three Islamic extremists were sent to prison in the UK over terrorism conspiracies.

There may have been one or two other recent Islamic extremist incidents besides. It’s difficult to keep count. In any case, a pattern seems to be emerging that involves extremists of a particular type. It’s obvious to all except our friends on the Left, who have developed three distinct coping mechanisms over the past decade or so in order to dodge any confrontation with Islam.
 
Religious orders reveal abuse complaints
From: AAP April 29, 2013 4:10PM

THE Salesian Catholic order admits it failed to properly supervise its priests, as it revealed it's paid more than $2 million in compensation to victims of sexual abuse in Victoria.

A parliamentary inquiry heard today there have been a total of 49 complaints made against 14 priests of the Salesian order.

Of those, 37 payouts have been made, the Victorian child abuse inquiry heard today.

Five priests from the order have been convicted of criminal offences.

The first abuse case came to the organisation's attention in 1986, its provincial Greg Chambers said.

Father Chambers said two priests accused of abuse remained in the order, but both were bound to domestic duties and had no exposure to children.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...abuse-complaints/story-fngburq5-1226631515643
 
kennas said:
THE Salesian Catholic order admits it failed to properly supervise its priests, as it revealed it's paid more than $2 million in compensation to victims of sexual abuse in Victoria.
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And there lies the problem, they are more concerned about how much it has cost them $$$ than they are about being proactive and ensuring that it will not continue to occur.
 
Time for a laugh!


Even Stevphen Islam vs Christianity


 
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What a disgrace the Catholic Church is. Their own insurance company refused to continue compensation coverage but the diocese didn't do a thing for 13 more years. All those poor people who had their lives destroyed for no other reason than to protect the image the RCC.

Bishop Connors said Catholic Church Insurance told the diocese in 1975 it would no longer cover compensation payments for Ridsdale, later jailed for child sexual offences, because he had abused so many victims. But Bishop Mulkearns, in charge from 1971 to 1997, took no action until 1988, in which time Ridsdale abused many more victims.
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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/c...tated-abuse-20130429-2ip15.html#ixzz2Rwwns9yr
 
Ready for a laugh everyone?

Morocco's police is looking for atheist activist Imad Eddin Habib, 22. Potential charges: creating the “Council of ex-Muslims of Morocco” and stating: “there is no God but Mickey Mouse”.

The whereabouts of Moroccan student Imad Eddin Habib, 22, are unknown since yesterday, April 29 in the evening. A few days ago, plainclothes policemen interrogated his father at his workplace. They wanted to know whether Imad was supported by a foreign organization, what his goals and motives were… Yesterday, Apr 29, they broke into an address that is mentioned on the young man’s ID””only to find out that he doesn’t live there anymore. Informed that he was a wanted individual, the Casablanca paramedical student decided to go underground. It will probably not take long before he resurfaces. Yet, that might be long enough for a solidarity campaign to start.

Imad Eddin Habib is not a criminal””at least not under international law and international treaties on freedom of speech and conscience. The reason why the Moroccan police is after him, is that he’s an outspoken atheist.

In the Islamic kingdom of Morocco, atheism itself is not a criminal offense. “Shaking the Muslim’s faith” is. Under this vague designation, anyone openly criticizing Islam or promoting any other religion can be condemned to a prison term ranging from 6 months to 3 years (Christian missionaries are regularly expelled from the kingdom in virtue of this article.) In other words: when you live in Morocco, you can think whatever you want of religion, but you better keep it for yourself.
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http://www.freearabs.com/index.php/society/81-stories/565-jb-span-maroc-jb-span-wanted-for-atheism
 
Who would like to live in a Muslim World after reading this?

Wake up Australia before it is too late.

Subject: German's View on Islam

German's View on Islam - worth reading.



This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem (see below), just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.
And we are silent.......



GOD BLESS AUSTRALIA , PLEASE
 
22 dead as Bangladesh Islamists demand blasphemy law

At least 22 people have been killed in pitched battles between Bangladeshi police and thousands of hardline Islamists in the capital Dhaka.

Police used a water cannon, sound grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse at least 70,000 Islamists who were camped at a key commercial district in a push for a new blasphemy law.

"We were forced to act after they unlawfully continued their gathering at Motijheel," Dhaka police spokesman Masudur Rahman said.

"They attacked us with bricks, stones, rods and bamboo sticks."

He says the protesters have now dispersed.

Police inspector Mozammel Haq, at Dhaka Medical College Hospital, says 11 bodies were taken to the clinic.


He says the bodies include several who had been hit by bullets, and a policeman who had been hacked in the head by protesters with machetes.

Eleven other bodies were taken to three other clinics, while hospital officials said hundreds of people were injured.

The violence erupted on Sunday afternoon and continued until the early hours of Monday morning.

It came after hundreds of thousands of Islamists demanding a new blasphemy law blocked highways and fought running battles with police on Sunday, leaving 10 people dead and hundreds injured in the Bangladeshi capital.

Chanting "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest!") and "One point, One demand: Atheists must be hanged", activists from the hardline Hefajat-e-Islam marched along at least six highways, blocking transport between Dhaka and other cities.

Police say about 200,000 people marched to central Dhaka, where fierce clashes erupted between thousands of rock-throwing protesters and security officials, with police beating back demonstrators with batons.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-06/22-dead-as-bangladeshi-islamists-demand-blasphemy-law/4672540
 
Gringotts Bank said:
There's no gap really. The most advanced scientists and the most advanced spiritualist practitioners are approaching the very same point, one from the East, one from the West. It will be a good day when they meet.
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You may enjoy The Fire in the Equations by Kitty Ferguson. She postulates a similar notion with one side or the other climbing the mountain of universal awareness and understanding only to discover the other side relaxing atop the mountain.

Much water has passed under the bridge since I read the book in the 90's, much of that water probably quenching the fire in some respects for many, but it was an interesting read at the time and your comment reminded me of her book.
 
Some Dude said:
You may enjoy The Fire in the Equations by Kitty Ferguson. She postulates a similar notion with one side or the other climbing the mountain of universal awareness and understanding only to discover the other side relaxing atop the mountain.
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The only mountain the religious sit atop is Mt. Delusion. There is a huge difference between evidence based beliefs arrived at by scientific investigation and religious beliefs largely derived from the mythology passed down in iron-age magic books. "Universal awareness" is not what the religious seek, rather its universal conformity and obedience to mythical invisible beings and their commandments as laid down in their magic books and interpreted by their religious leaders. There is no common ground between religion and science, the scientific method is the rational pursuit of knowledge while religion seeks impose static metaphysical dogma (fiction) on the faithful.
 
FxTrader said:
The only mountain the religious sit atop is Mt. Delusion. There is a huge difference between evidence based beliefs arrived at by scientific investigation and religious beliefs largely derived from the mythology passed down in iron-age magic books. "Universal awareness" is not what the religious seek, rather its universal conformity and obedience to mythical invisible beings and their commandments as laid down in their magic books and interpreted by their religious leaders. There is no common ground between religion and science, the scientific method is the rational pursuit of knowledge while religion seeks impose static metaphysical dogma (fiction) on the faithful.
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This is an incredibly ignorant statement.

You haven't acknowledged the scientific evidence that points to creation.

You haven't considered the historical evidence to determine if events in certain documents are factual.

You haven't acknowledged philosophical reasoning which supports creationism.

The ironic thing is you probably just accept evolution as fact. Whereas evidence (or a lack of) points to it as the biggest bunch of mumbo jumbo ever.

I don't mind people discussing opinions. I enjoy it. But the above blanket statements and ignorant generalizations show that you have not even touched the surface.

Quite scary...
 
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This is an incredibly ignorant statement.
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Well, there is more than one statement there and I understand religious mythology quite well thanks. My statements can only be branded as ignorant if I knew nothing about the subject. Clearly your offended but my attack is on religion itself. As for the believers themselves, they are willing victims of a fraud.

You haven't acknowledged the scientific evidence that points to creation.
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Such evidence does not suggest the necessity of a creator but rather an event.

You haven't considered the historical evidence to determine if events in certain documents are factual.
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This is an old, tired and useless line of argument frequently rolled out by the religious. Even if some historical events described in the books of the Bible for instance can be verified by scientific investigation is does not validate anything else in the texts.

You haven't acknowledged philosophical reasoning which supports creationism.
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True, since I don't accept such "philosophical reasoning" as proof or evidence of anything other than vivid human imagination.

The ironic thing is you probably just accept evolution as fact. Whereas evidence (or a lack of) points to it as the biggest bunch of mumbo jumbo ever.
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Evolution theory has a large body of evidence to support it without all aspects of the theory being proven or scientifically verifiable as yet. Mumbo jumbo on the other hand is a trademark of religion.

Quite scary...
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That phrase accurately describes my view of religion and its ongoing impact on human society and progress. You have nothing to fear from me or any other atheist. However you do have something to fear from other religious believers, millions of which condone killing you for disagreeing with them.
 
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