yes, but Islam has halted education and we can't make it happen because we'd be deemed to be interfering with their internal politics. At one point they were the most advanced society on the planet but for some reason resorted to dogmatic following of the text. Their downfall.Religion grows from poverty and by support from Regimes wanting control.
The Muslim problem is gaining strength because most are living in abject poverty. If proper education was encouraged and financed by western nations, to the tune of defense spending, much of today's problems would go away.
Most will know I think of myself as an atheist. However I believe in a collective spirit and that the fundamental ethics from good religion is needed for the peace of the overall community. Human habit is not something we can just change like that and succeed. In framing an objective I was taught that "it has to be achievable"
So what we do need to focus on is education more than any other thing or subject. The truth of science taken up by the young is the answer. I have so much to say on this topic but not the time right now.
yes, but Islam has halted education and we can't make it happen because we'd be deemed to be interfering with their internal politics. At one point they were the most advanced society on the planet but for some reason resorted to dogmatic following of the text. Their downfall.
It's a fine line governments and NGOs tread in influencing foreign regimes in their policy and politics to be more in alignment with our own values. Step over the mark and it can set a course of action back decades. Fiji is a classic example of finely tuned and nuanced Gov policy on trying to influence a society without stepping over the mark. We've been failing here.Depends, in a lot of Africa rape and aids is reducing because aid agencies are providing educational opportunities for women.
If as much effort as bombing/military action to hold resource tenements was put into education, things would gradually turn around.
Like the women of India currently revolting, if there was a way (support) for the Islamic women to stand up for equality they too would gradually take that road.
yes, but Islam has halted education and we can't make it happen because we'd be deemed to be interfering with their internal politics. At one point they were the most advanced society on the planet but for some reason resorted to dogmatic following of the text. Their downfall.
Seems to be more and more anti Islam sentiment in the general community now. Although I definitely do not support any alternative religious point of view, I think a stronger nationalistic approach is appropriate right now. Lets hope we do not allow our country to go down the UK and French path where English people are afraid to walk around their own streets or be stuck in an area wanting to install foreign religious based laws.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/of-race-religion-and-politics-20130309-2fsje.html
Religion grows from poverty and by support from Regimes wanting control.
The Muslim problem is gaining strength because most are living in abject poverty. If proper education was encouraged and financed by western nations, to the tune of defense spending, much of today's problems would go away.
LAHORE – Thirty scholars from the Sunni Ittehad Council have decreed a joint fatwa against attack on minorities, declaring that onslaught on life and property of Christians is against Islam.
According to a press statement on Sunday, the muftis said Islam protects lives and properties of minorities who are treated as equal citizens in an Islamic state.
The scholars said the Joseph Colony vandals went against the Islamic laws.
“Islam is a religion of peace and harmony and the Ulema are appealed to spread this message among the masses to promote tolerance,” they said, stressing that an Islamic state guards minorities and government compensate the damage in such incidents.
The regimes that want control are the competing major religions themselves, Islam, Christianity and their derivatives. It's earthly power they crave by claiming heavenly authority. Poverty plays a role but the indoctrination of children in religious mythology and the cultural pressure placed on them to conform is the key growth engine for religion.
I use to think this way but education and literacy alone do not override religious programming. The U.S. is a good example of this. I have met many very intelligent, well educated Muslims and Christians who totally suspend their intellect when discussing their faith.
The only education most religious people want for their children is one that does not interfere in any way with their particular blind faith. Hence the proliferation of religious schools, the demonization of evolution theory and the attack on science and the scientific method in general. Better education alone is not the answer, debunking religious mythology and curbing the religious indoctrination of children are equally important. I totally support the likes of Chris Hitchens (sadly departed) and Sam Harris in their efforts to unmask religion as the fraud it is.
The only education most religious people want for their children is one that does not interfere in any way with their particular blind faith. Hence the proliferation of religious schools, the demonization of evolution theory and the attack on science and the scientific method in general. Better education alone is not the answer, debunking religious mythology and curbing the religious indoctrination of children are equally important. I totally support the likes of Chris Hitchens (sadly departed) and Sam Harris in their efforts to unmask religion as the fraud it is.
Whose educational plan?However the debunking and curbing of indoctrination in my view is still part of an overall educational plan too.
Whose educational plan?
Whose educational plan?
I wasn't trying to 'get you'.He hee, got me,
the best well said of the night.
Hypothetical in my own defence "an educational plan"
I wasn't trying to 'get you'.
I thought perhaps I'd missed out on some absolute gem of policy the Greens have dreamed up.
Or that perhaps you were planning to favour us with your own ideas about how we should be indoctrinated into or out of religion.
I try not to impose ideas but present facts on which together we may build better ways. Or "an ageing man who is dreaming" perhaps
I know you're addressing Jules, but how do you know what a fact is? I ask this because the most insightful authors I have ever read say that there is no such thing as a fact.
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Obviously have never read Wittgenstein.
If anyone was to educate children along the lines of "God doesn't exist. Don't read the Koran/Upanishads/Bible/Pali Canon/Baghavad Gita...", that's just as controlling and manipulative and closed-minded as the behaviours of those who are (rightly IMO) criticized on this thread.
Gringotts Bank;759974]I know you're addressing Jules, but how do you know what a fact is? I ask this because the most insightful authors I have ever read say that there is no such thing as a fact.
Would you present the 'facts' of modern science only? Science has its very own dogmatic ways.
I know people who proudly say that "I only believe things I can see", to which I reply "you don't believe in love? You've never felt love? How many scientists know what love is? And what about microwaves and radio waves - can you see them?".
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