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SirRumpole said:
It's no good coming at me with the religious stuff, I've said I don't believe it.

If you want to know what I think read my previous posts, I've had enough of going around in circles with VC.
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I didn't say you believe in a Creator.

Was trying to project what it'd mean if such a creator were to exist.
 
Tink said:
As has been said many times in this forum,

Science was never made to disprove God.
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Science is a method of inquiry. So you're right that it was never meant to disprove God. But it could be use, like any tool could, to do that and other stuff.

Personally I think religion is important. Most religious people, or most people, would want to believe in it... or actually believe in it. And does it so they can feel at peace with the world and all that good stuff that religion can provide.

But of course the downside is when you believe something because it is said so... such trust can be abuse and could lead to nasty consequences on both the believer and the target off the abuse.

But if you start to question it; to not merely take it on faith... well then it's not going to gel.
 
luutzu said:
How big would that Creator be?

If the Creator did create the entire universe, with everthing in it - all the suns, the galaxies, the elements. That all the known universe since the Big Bang is His creation, he'd be one big massive being. I mean, some galaxy would take millions of light years for us to reach - So a spaceship that could travel at the speed of light will take millions of years to reach... that's a very very very long way away.

Then if it is possible that there is this Creator who create all these stuff. Why are we the chosen species in this vast universe He created? I mean, our Earth is a little dot next to some known star out there. We human are a little atom relative to the sun alone. Why would the Creator really take notice and take us as His favourite creation, sending down his only son and all that?

Say I build a house... what are the chances of me sending my son to a little ant's nest to save it?

There are things we don't know, may never know, could never prove... but the idea that need refuting is so rediculous in its scale it just doesn't need much evidence to disprove it.

Again... the Creator create this big massive universe all these billions of years... and it's only the last maybe 5,000 years that our specie kind of started writing - on clay; only last couple hundred years that some really advanced technologies came to do some work for humans; only some 60 years ago that one country could send a few guys to the Moon. and we're somehow the most intelligent, the most beloved of this Creator's creation?
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Good questions Grasshopper, IF one's view of the creator is the biblical paradigm. But who says the creator is a being, or even conscious in the human understanding of such?

Far from humans being created in God's image, the biblical God is created by man in his own image.

God (for want of a better word) may be something else completely.

Just food for thought. Now go do 1000 push ups on your knuckles. ;)
 
SirRumpole said:
I do believe in a creator, just not the kind depicted in the Bible.
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btw, sounds like my Dad. Was saying to him there's no God and he said of course there is. How else are we here? Must be someone.

I don't know Dad... I've been told once or twice by some guy way back that he created me and he can uncreate me :D

How many parents create their kids? Most were just having fun and it kinda got created.
 
wayneL said:
Good questions Grasshopper, IF one's view of the creator is the biblical paradigm. But who says the creator is a being, or even conscious in the human understanding of such?

Far from humans being created in God's image, the biblical God is created by man in his own image.

God (for want of a better word) may be something else completely.

Just food for thought. Now go do 1000 push ups on your knuckles. ;)
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Wise words indeed Master Sifu.

That something else could be a sperm, an egg and a defective birth control device :D


Kung Fu Panda 3 is coming out. The Trailer looks good. Recently rewatch the first two with the kids and have to say, it's a lot of fun. They have better humour than Disney's.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Just wondering why or how that human beings are the only organism to develop intelligence. Trial and error evolution like nothing else.
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What makes you think we are the only animals with intelligence, intelligence is a spectrum, on average humans are more intelligent than chimps, but chimps are more intelligent than dogs, and dogs are more intelligent than mice, but mice are more intelligent than a fish etc etc etc all the way down to bacteria.

We are not the only animals with intelligence, we are probably the highest intelligence on earth right now, but at the end of the day, some animal has to be at the top, and who's to say who is the highest intelligence in the universe, there mite be species out there that see us as nothing but an amusement, like we look at chimps.
 
Tink said:
As has been said many times in this forum,

Science was never made to disprove God.
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Correct, science is about making discoveries about things that actually exist.

if God existed, and acted in the way Christians say, science could study him and learn facts about him.

But your version of God probably doesn't exist, so offcourse can't be studied, and hence we have no evidence for it.

You may as well be saying science wasn't made to disprove the tooth fairy or unicorns,.. Offcourse it wasn't, it was made to discover facts about things that exist.
 
wayneL said:
They might be able to spell might too, mightn't they? :D
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Lol, I am bad at that, it's a combination of me either missing or pressing the wrong letters on my iPhone key pad, and then auto correct trying to guess what I was trying to say.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Just wondering why or how that human beings are the only organism to develop intelligence. Trial and error evolution like nothing else.
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It depends om your definition of intelligence. The human race is adept at adapting to our environment, we can cure a lot of diseases that would otherwise kill us, but we spend a lot of resources developing new weapons to kill each other and some that potentially could wipe out most life on earth.

Intelligence ? Yes and no.
 
SirRumpole said:
It depends om your definition of intelligence. The human race is adept at adapting to our environment, we can cure a lot of diseases that would otherwise kill us, but we spend a lot of resources developing new weapons to kill each other and some that potentially could wipe out most life on earth.

Intelligence ? Yes and no.
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Intelligence is just - "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills"

it's not a judgement on whether your actions are moral or wise.

just about all animals have some sort of ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, other wise animal trainers wouldn't have jobs.

But yes humans as far as I can see are at the top of the stack on planet earth, developing intelligence is the road we took on the evolutionary path, its served us well, better than tooth and claws.
 
Value Collector said:
it's not a judgement on whether your actions are moral or wise.
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You can have your definition which is true but limited imo.

Putting humanity on the brink of extinction by stockpiling nuclear, chemical and biological weapons is not evidence of a clever society imo.

Nor is destroying the environment to increase our levels of affluence, nor is accelerating our use of non renewable resources to create more consumers so a few people can make a lot of money.
 
SirRumpole said:
You can have your definition which is true but limited imo.

Putting humanity on the brink of extinction by stockpiling nuclear, chemical and biological weapons is not evidence of a clever society imo.
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I agree, doing those things is very "Unwise" (unless it brings about peace through assured mutual destruction, and world wars are ended, we haven't had a world war since the nuke), but it certainly takes intelligence to build a nuclear weapon, in the scientific usage of the word.

Nor is destroying the environment to increase our levels of affluence,
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We have been doing that since we first cut the first tree down to build a house, when it becomes unsustainable is where it becomes unwise, other wise I am all for raising the standard of human lives around the world.

We in the first world can certainly do things better to reduce waste and lower our impact though.
 
SirRumpole said:
You can have your definition which is true but limited imo.

Putting humanity on the brink of extinction by stockpiling nuclear, chemical and biological weapons is not evidence of a clever society imo.

Nor is destroying the environment to increase our levels of affluence, nor is accelerating our use of non renewable resources to create more consumers so a few people can make a lot of money.
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but... but...

But if we take the enemy out first, all of them; then they won't have any nuke to hit back at us. If they do have one or two hidden away and we can't get to it, well it will only hit certain cities and we're deep in our bunkers so it won't be us who'd get hit.

Man, it's like some saying I heard... we're a mental asylum where the inmates control the button to self destruct.
 
Value Collector said:
I agree, doing those things is very "Unwise" (unless it brings about peace through assured mutual destruction, and world wars are ended, we haven't had a world war since the nuke), but it certainly takes intelligence to build a nuclear weapon, in the scientific usage of the word.



We have been doing that since we first cut the first tree down to build a house, when it becomes unsustainable is where it becomes unwise, other wise I am all for raising the standard of human lives around the world.

We in the first world can certainly do things better to reduce waste and lower our impact though.
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We are having a world war though. If we define World War as wars occuring on three continents at the same time - as opposed to great powers at war directly.

All great powers (and Australia, haha) are converging in the ME. China and India is standing around watching; with one of them setting up new chess boards in a a sea or two for a new match.

I'm hoping for an alien invasion so we could all stop killing each other for a while. But then we'd be stuffed by the aliens so hmm...
 
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