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sydboy007 said:
As for your view of Muslim families in Australia, just shows how racist your views are on this subject. I know you believe what you say, but belief is not proof.
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Racist? If this is your interpretation of racism, then your put-downs of Christians is also racist.:rolleyes:

All I said about Muslim families in Australia was;

"The average Muslim family in Australia has over 4 children compared to the infidel familiy size of 1-2. That's why they don't need to work. The taxpayer supports them."

What part of that statement do you disagree with?
 
Calliope said:
Racist? If this is your interpretation of racism, then your put-downs of Christians is also racist.:rolleyes:

All I said about Muslim families in Australia was;

"The average Muslim family in Australia has over 4 children compared to the infidel familiy size of 1-2. That's why they don't need to work. The taxpayer supports them."

What part of that statement do you disagree with?
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I suppose it's too much to ask for you to provide sine evidence to back up your statement.

The fact you insinuate all Muslim people are on welfare. You jump up and down on the unfairness of criticizing various religious groups, pretty much all Christian, for covering up decades of child abuse, yet feel it's quite acceptable to make outrageous claims that aren't true about other groups in Australia.

Don't let facts get in the way of saying anything you want.
 
I think a lot of religious people suffer from the symptoms of confirmation bias shown in this video.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vKA4w2O61Xo[/video]
 
I don't know why people have to call each other names if they don't agree with an opinion.
Is that a way of silencing people?
Every one is entitled to their opinion.

This is what I don't like with this PC rubbish, it only works for the certain few.
 
Tink said:
I don't know why people have to call each other names if they don't agree with an opinion.
Is that a way of silencing people?
Every one is entitled to their opinion.

This is what I don't like with this PC rubbish, it only works for the certain few.
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Could you give some examples of the PC rubbish you'r referring to in this thread?
 
sydboy007 said:
I suppose it's too much to ask for you to provide sine evidence to back up your statement.
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I know you don't accept evidence unlees it is in the Age or The Guardian, but here goes;

Two recent sets of statistics illustrate the issues at hand.

The first is a report published last month by the Washington-based Pew Research Centre's Forum on Religion and Public Life, The Future of the Global Muslim Population: Projections for 2010-2030. Using figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, it predicts Muslim numbers in Australia will increase by 80 per cent, compared with 18 per cent for the population overall growing from 399,000 at present to 714,000. This is due first to higher reproduction rates - Muslim families typically have four or more children, while other Australians have one or two - and, second, to migration from Muslim majority countries such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq and Iran.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-muslim-minority/story-e6frg6z6-1226007821201

The fact you insinuate all Muslim people are on welfare.
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Your insinuation...not mine:rolleyes:

You jump up and down on the unfairness of criticizing various religious groups, pretty much all Christian, for covering up decades of child abuse, yet feel it's quite acceptable to make outrageous claims that aren't true about other groups in Australia.
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Confected rubbish. Evidence???

Don't let facts get in the way of saying anything you want.
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I suppose it's too much to ask for you to discontinue your practice of distorting what I say and placing your own interpretation to fit your Christian dislike agenda. You certainly don't let facts get in your way:rolleyes:.
 
Calliope said:
All I said about Muslim families in Australia was;

"The average Muslim family in Australia has over 4 children compared to the infidel familiy size of 1-2. That's why they don't need to work. The taxpayer supports them."

What part of that statement do you disagree with?
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Maybe you need to explain it better because you're obviously saying I've misunderstood you. Possibly you argument is that Muslims without children work and the ones with children don't work?

There's no qualification in your statement. What % of Muslim families in Australia are not working and being supported via tax payers? How does that compare against the level of assistance to Christian families and families of other religions or those who don't have any religious affiliation.

Calliope said:
I know you don't accept evidence unlees it is in the Age or The Guardian, but here goes;

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-muslim-minority/story-e6frg6z6-1226007821201
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I'm not disputing that Muslim families generally have more Children than the average family in Australia.
 
sydboy007 said:
Maybe you need to explain it better because you're obviously saying I've misunderstood you. Possibly you argument is that Muslims without children work and the ones with children don't work?

There's no qualification in your statement. What % of Muslim families in Australia are not working and being supported via tax payers? How does that compare against the level of assistance to Christian families and families of other religions or those who don't have any religious affiliation.

I'm not disputing that Muslim families generally have more Children than the average family in Australia.
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Do your own reseaech if you are so interested.
 
http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia-2013-10/index1.html

* This is a Supreme Court Justice of the USA

Can we talk about your drafting process””
[Leans in, stage-whispers.] I even believe in the Devil.

You do?
Of course! Yeah, he’s a real person. Hey, c’mon, that’s standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that.

Every Catholic believes this? There’s a wide variety of Catholics out there …
If you are faithful to Catholic dogma, that is certainly a large part of it.

Have you seen evidence of the Devil lately?
You know, it is curious. In the Gospels, the Devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore.

No.
It’s because he’s smart.

So what’s he doing now?
What he’s doing now is getting people not to believe in him or in God. He’s much more successful that way.

That has really painful implications for atheists. Are you sure that’s the *Devil’s work?
I didn’t say atheists are the Devil’s work.

Well, you’re saying the Devil is *persuading people to not believe in God. Couldn’t there be other reasons to not believe?
Well, there certainly can be other reasons. But it certainly favors the Devil’s desires. I mean, c’mon, that’s the explanation for why there’s not demonic possession all over the place. That always puzzled me. What happened to the Devil, you know? He used to be all over the place. He used to be all over the New Testament.

Right.
What happened to him?

He just got wilier.
He got wilier.

Isn’t it terribly frightening to believe in the Devil?
You’re looking at me as though I’m weird. My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the Devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the Devil! It’s in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil! Most of mankind has believed in the Devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the Devil.
 
sydboy007 said:
You're the one making the claim. Did you just make it up?
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I don't give a stuff whether you believe it or not, but as you can't abide any criticiscm of Islamic fundamentalism, the truth would be wasted on you.

Not surprisingly, and as I expected, the nymag.com link that you gave for your nonsense post, http://nymag.com/news/features/anton...10/index1.html

is for a mag that is very sympathetic to Muslims.
http://nymag.com/search/search.cgi?fd=All&Ns=Relevance|0&search_type=sw&N=0&textquery=Muslims
 
Calliope said:
I don't give a stuff whether you believe it or not, but as you can't abide any criticiscm of Islamic fundamentalism, the truth would be wasted on you.

Not surprisingly, and as I expected, the nymag.com link that you gave for your nonsense post, http://nymag.com/news/features/anton...10/index1.html

is for a mag that is very sympathetic to Muslims.
http://nymag.com/search/search.cgi?fd=All&Ns=Relevance|0&search_type=sw&N=0&textquery=Muslims
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I don't abide people saying false things against other groups just to enhance their own agenda. If you were criticising a religious group for say supporting suicide murders I'd support you. There's enough animosity and distrust in this world without making stuff up that just increases the problems we have.

There's plenty of bat excrement crazy stuff about religion that is true that you don't need to make stuff up if you want valid criticisms. The fact that Evangelical Christians are the largest supporters of torture in the USA is just plain wrong. I mean, how can someone who claims to follow the teachings of Christ support torture????

How can a Muslim follower support the user of suicide murderers and targeting of innocent civilians but then claim theere's is a religion of peace? These are the issues I have with religion. Those that get selective over which passages in their holy book they will follow, which ones they wont. Which passages you can accept literally, which you don't. Too many followers lacking the ability to critically think. Just have faith. You're doing God's work, which makes everything you do right.

There's over 2000 verses mentioning the poor in the bible, yet most Christians these days have very uncharitable attitudes towards those less fortunate in society. Am I wrong to question the sincerity of those who claim to be Christian or Muslim when they don't live up to the teachings of their God???

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me‘“ Matthew 25:41-45.

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Luke 11:39-42 Then the Lord said to him, "Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you. "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God

The Quran isn't much different

Surat Al-Baqarah 2:215 "They ask you, [O Muhammad], what they should spend. Say, 'Whatever you spend of good is [to be] for parents and relatives and orphans and the needy and the traveler. And whatever you do of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it.'"

Surat An-Nisa 4:36 "Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful."

Surat Al-Baqarah 2:177 "Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous."
 
Re: Religion gone crazy!

explod said:
To cut a long story short, religion is a mechanism of control to manitain the status quo and a con.
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Religion isn't the only ideological organisation, to use peoples insecurities to control them and influence their beliefs.:xyxthumbs
 
bellenuit said:
Islam Creates Monsters Says Psychologist

http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/islam-creates-monsters-says-psychologist/
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The cultural and psychological cocktail of anger, low self-esteem, victim mentality, a willingness to be blindly guided by outer authorities, and an aggressive and discriminatory view toward non-Muslims, forced upon Muslims through pain, intimidation and mind-numbing repetitions of the Quran, is the reason why Islam creates monsters.
Read more at http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/islam-creates-monsters-says-psychologist/#vgSRTPFXAj8tq5tY.99

The above is extracted from the link and is very true.......They start with their kids by brain washing them at special Muslim schools 5 times a day.......They instil fear in their small minds and as they grow older that fear becomes accentuated by death if they do not adhere to the Islamic teachings.

I still believe in my own opinion that Islam is a front for politics......world domination is their ulterior motive and they are doing it by infiltration of the Western World and prolific breeding of large families.

But I also believe this type of uprising will eventually fail like many other sects, political and religious organizations have done throughout the ages......

Muslims fighting against Muslims that is Sunnies against Shiites will eventually be their down fall....They each have different interpretations of the Koran and then the conflict begins and that is exactly what is going on in Syria and Iraq at this very moment.
 
noco said:
I still believe in my own opinion that Islam is a front for politics......world domination is their ulterior motive and they are doing it by infiltration of the Western World and prolific breeding of large families.

But I also believe this type of uprising will eventually fail like many other sects, political and religious organizations have done throughout the ages..
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We can hope. The problem today is any loon with a bit of interweb searching has the knowledge to do a lot of harm at little cost. Do a bit of practice at the low end and not get caught, then you can expand to Nitrogen triiodide or AMFO. Pop down to the local hardware store and you've got all the base ingredients to quickly build some deadly explosive compounds.

I wish some of the $10-12T in global military spending over the last decade had been used to get us a viable alternative to oil and we could turn our backs on large sections of the world that's got some growing up to do.
 
sydboy007 said:
I wish some of the $10-12T in global military spending over the last decade had been used to get us a viable alternative to oil and we could turn our backs on large sections of the world that's got some growing up to do.
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Amen to that. But there is little chance of these guys growing up. While there are hundreds of millions of them sticking their ar$es in the air five times a day to pray to some god, that you and I know doesn't exist, there will always be bloodshed in the ME with enough left over to export to the West.

If that sort of money ($10-12T) or a small fraction of it, had been diverted to cracking the nuclear fusion problem we could turn or backs on the middle east forever.

But will the political and economic hurdles derail the scientists' work before it can bear fruit? "It can't possibly be that we've got this close and we can't see it through to the end," says Cowley. "Once this problem is cracked, we'll have it [fusion energy] forever. It's just taking a long time to get there.
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http://www.theguardian.com/big-energy-debate/nuclear-fusion-energy-research
 
Calliope said:
Amen to that. But there is little chance of these guys growing up. While there are hundreds of millions of them sticking their ar$es in the air five times a day to pray to some god, that you and I know doesn't exist, there will always be bloodshed in the ME with enough left over to export to the West.[/url]
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Yes, they probably have the same attitude to Christian religions. They're going through a Catholic Protestant rerun of sectarian violence, just now the weapons they have access to are far more deadly that what was available a few hundred years ago.

As I've argued, organised religions have a lot of evil to answer for over the last few centuries. Maybe Supreme court judge Scalia got it wrong and the devil realised he only had to corrupt a relatively few at the head of major religions and they'd do his dirty work for him.
 
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