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Tink, do you mind if I give you a little belated advice;
Don't argue with a fool...especially one with an obsession, such as a militant atheist. You are right about him preaching. Hatred of religion is his religion.
Tink, do you mind if I give you a little belated advice;
Don't argue with a fool...especially one with an obsession, such as a militant atheist. You are right about him preaching. Hatred of religion is his religion.
Tink, do you mind if I give you a little belated advice;
Don't argue with a fool...especially one with an obsession, such as a militant atheist. You are right about him preaching. Hatred of religion is his religion.
that old chestnut....this seems to be served at approximately the point where the religious apologist is unable to counter the considered logic of an articulate athiest.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/w...llings-found-his-way-to-hizb-ut-tahrir-2014-6“This religion is extremely, and proudly, non-secular. What defines western society is secularism and democracy,” he says.
“Islam, and the Muslim world in particular, challenge secularism. It seeks to express itself politically and economically, as it does in all other aspects of life.”
We have ever so slowly stemmed the Christian influence in this country and now we're going to let another nutjob organisation bring us back to the dark ages. We need to learn from the negative impacts Christians have had on our society in the way of peoples liberty's and see we want no other institution to have that power.
Muslims to make up quarter of world's projected population of 8.3billion
72 countries already have one million or more Muslims
Britain to have more Muslims than Kuwait by 2030
The Muslim population in the UK will almost double to 5.5million within 20 years, it has been claimed.
Immigration and high birth rates will mean nearly one in ten Britons will be Muslim by 2030, according to a worldwide study about the spread of Islam.
And the forecasts mean Britain will have more Muslims than Kuwait
The reason I raised it for discussion is that I don't believe it will go away because it is not allowed public expression, but at the same time I completely appreciate your point about the potential to encourage disaffected youth to join a cause. Often pretty much any cause will do.As others have said, it's a fine line.
Without referring specifically to the cancelled speech, would you consider it acceptable to allow people to openly seek to recruit potential terrorists on the basis of supposed unfair treatment of certain sects in certain cultures ? Of course they wouldn't blatantly say "sign up inside the building after the speech", but like Hitler did they would generate a frenzy of vengeful feelings and then let events take their course. This sort of thing most probably goes on behind closed doors now with the result that people from this country have left to fight for terrorists overseas. Would we want this sort of thing to go public ?
I think part of my questioning of the cancellation of the talk comes from the fact that it was part of a specific event "The Festival of Dangerous Ideas". The title of the event would seem to warn people that some of the topics would be diversive and controversial. Another topic is apparently "Women are Sexual Predators".But you are correct in saying that someone has to decide where to draw the line, and there is an argument for saying that if you let people present that sort of case in public then we will find out who they are and then could do something about it, but once having identified those people do you let them continue ? Some people could assume , listening to the 'recruiters' that they should attack "the enemy" wherever they can. Refer to the attempted attack on Holsworthy Army barracks. The people initiating these sort of vengeance reprisals could then become a national security threat, even though according to them they are just exercising their rights of free speech.
I don't have one. I'm ambivalent about the whole issue. Equally appreciate both sides of the argument.Of course "incitement to violence" is an offence, but again it seems to be a matter of opinion where exactly the line is crossed between simply publicising alleged atrocities against alleged persecuted minorities and encouraging people to try and avenge those perceived assaults.
Your solution ?
+1. Exactly.that old chestnut....this seems to be served at approximately the point where the religious apologist is unable to counter the considered logic of an articulate athiest.
I am surprised that you are a Muslim apologist. Consider this;
Wikipedia
I don't apologise for any bad actions by anyone. Religion is really irrelevant,
I meant apologist in the sense of turning a blind eye. By religion you obviously mean the Christian religion. You surely cannot mean that the variousl varieties of Islamist religions are irrevelant. The Sunnis, the Shi'ites and the Kurds all hate each other and are forever at each other's throats. But above all the Sunnis and the Shi'ites hate infidels (that's you and me) more than each other.
Their fertility rate far exceeds those of the western countries they are invading and as they expand in these countries so does Sharia Law, which I doubt you would consider irrevelant.
Well there you go!Just for a laugh, this is what the Presbyterian Church has to say about a non religious person doing good deeds. Pretty sad view IMHO:
Good works are only such as God hath commanded in his holy Word, and not such as, without the warrant thereof, are devised by men, out of blind zeal, or upon any pretense of good intention..
Deeds are good only if God calls them good in Scripture, and He calls them good only as they meet certain tests: (1) they are done in faith, (2) the are done in obedience to His commands in Scripture, and (3) they have His glory as their goal.
Secondly, we can therefore conclude the following:
...works done by unregenerate men, although for the matter of them they may be things which God commands; and of good use both to themselves and others: yet, because they proceed not from an heart purified by faith; nor are done in a right manner, according to the Word; nor to a right end, the glory of God, they are therefore sinful and cannot please God, or make a man meet to receive grace from God....
You say " hate is poisonous and destructive, no matter which well it springs from" Your hate for Christianity is palpable.
sydboy007;830374I said:Do you actually believe it's valid for a religious Christian to tell someone not particularly religious, or maybe from a differing religion, that their good deeds are sinful? Seriously, what is wrong with the religious world when they see things in that way!
I couldn't give a stuff about that. All I wanted to know was why you considered the Islamic religion irrevelant, and all you do is waffle on about some obscure nonsensical doctrine of the Presbyterian church.
I would like to know why your so one eyed when it comes to religion, your so focused on hating Islam, but yet you don't want anyone to say a word against Christianity.
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