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Julia said:
.. How unfair is that??:D
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Offer once in 4 months, forcibly take once every 4 days, imagine how stressful would be that for male with low sex drive?

No wanders Chinese have huge reservations to number 4
 
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Egyptian swingers jailed: report
5th April 2009, 14:41 WST

A Cairo court has sentenced a man to seven years and his wife to three years for setting up a swingers' club, the press reported on Sunday, in a case that has angered conservative Egyptian society.

Tolba Abdel Hafez, a 48-year-old civil servant, and his wife Salwa Higazi, a 37-year-old schoolteacher, were sentenced by the Agouza Criminal Court on Saturday, the state-owned Al-Gomhuria reported.

Extra-marital sex is illegal in the mainly Muslim country where Islamic law is a principal source of legislation.

The Cairo couple, who have children, used the pseudonyms Magdy and Samira on a website and in emails to organise wife-swapping parties and orgies.

They were arrested in October on prostitution charges and confessed to having sexual relations with three other couples, although at least 44 couples signed up for Cairo swinging sessions via the website.

In sentencing the pair, the judge described the case as "one of the worst crimes committed," Al-Gomhuria reported.

Rights groups have criticised the 1961 law that can be used to prosecute suspects because it defines certain sexual acts as prostitution even if no money changes hands.

AFP
 
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Iraqi homosexuals shot dead: ministry
5th April 2009, 18:38 WST

The bullet-riddled bodies of three Iraqis said to be homosexuals have been found in Baghdad's Sadr City, bastion of anti-US Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, a defence ministry official said on Sunday.

"Three corpses of homosexuals have been recovered in Sadr City. Two of the bodies, found on Thursday, had pieces of paper attached on which was written the word 'Pervert'. The third body was retrieved on Friday," the official said.

Residents said the bodies of two males aged 16 and 18 were found on waste ground on the outskirts of Sadr City, and that several days previously two homosexuals had been dumped in the street with their arms and legs broken.

During Friday prayers in Sadr City, a poor district of Baghdad where about two million Iraqis live, Sheikh Jassem al-Mutairi slammed what he called "new private practices by some men who dress like women, who are effeminate."

"I call on families to prevent their children from following such a lifestyle," he added.

Since a US-backed Iraqi army offensive on Sadr City in April and May last year, Sadr's powerful Mahdi Army Shi'ite militia has lost much of its influence in the area.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki launched the assaults on Sadr City and the southern city of Basra, in which more than 1,000 people died, in a bid to disarm the militia and restore law and order in the areas under Mahdi Army control.

AFP
 
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George Pell goes crazy....

Cardinal George Pell backs Pope Benedict anti-condom stance
April 10, 2009

Article from: Australian Associated Press

CARDINAL George Pell says he agrees with controversial comments made by the Pope, that the use of condoms were making the AIDS epidemic in Africa worse, not better.

On a trip to Cameroon and Angola in March, Pope Benedict XVI caused a storm of controversy, when he said condoms were aggravating the African epidemic rather than containing it.

Cardinal Pell, the head of the Catholic Church in Australia, said he "totally agreed'' with the pontiff's comments that condoms encouraged promiscuity.
 
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kennas said:
George Pell goes crazy....

Cardinal George Pell backs Pope Benedict anti-condom stance
April 10, 2009

Article from: Australian Associated Press

CARDINAL George Pell says he agrees with controversial comments made by the Pope, that the use of condoms were making the AIDS epidemic in Africa worse, not better.

On a trip to Cameroon and Angola in March, Pope Benedict XVI caused a storm of controversy, when he said condoms were aggravating the African epidemic rather than containing it.

Cardinal Pell, the head of the Catholic Church in Australia, said he "totally agreed'' with the pontiff's comments that condoms encouraged promiscuity.
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Worse then crazy Kennas , its inducement of self genocide .
But then again God guides these people .
Wow ~ :headshake
 
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Westbro Baptist Church

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

The church bases its work around the belief expressed by its best known slogan and the address of its primary website, "God hates fags," and expresses the idea that every tragedy in the world is linked to homosexuality
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they issued a press release thanking God for the great earthquake that caused heavy loss of life in China, and "pray for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese". In the article they also called Chinese people "vile oriental [sic] ingrates", and declared that "God hates China"
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and speaking of religion, not getting into the whole did Jesus ever exist and the fallibility of translation argument of the bible... if you ever read the sermon on the mount, it's some powerful stuff, it's a pity the religions that purport to follow the guy don't pay attention to what he said.

I have no problem with God or the concept of God, it's his followers that sh_it me :)
 
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Trevor_S said:
...and speaking of religion, not getting into the whole did Jesus ever exist and the fallibility of translation argument of the bible... if you ever read the sermon on the mount, it's some powerful stuff, it's a pity the religions that purport to follow the guy don't pay attention to what he said.

I have no problem with God or the concept of God, it's his followers that sh_it me :)
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Yes, it's crazy how some people use religion as an excuse to further their own ideas that completely go against the teachings of the religion they are supposed to be representing! And I doubt that the Westboro church would be representative of the majority of Baptist people or churches. In your link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church it states:

WBC is not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations.
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I believe there are possibly many predators who get themselves into positions of authority and then brain wash the weaker ones into believing their twisted theories. The stronger ones who know the core teachings of their particular religion will vote with their feet.

I think it's important not to tar every religious organization with the same brush. Just because someone says they are God's messenger doesn't necessarily mean God has anything to do with them.
 
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This one almost takes the cake.

:banghead:

Girl, 10, beheaded by grandfather

A 10-year-old girl was beheaded by her grandfather in India's eastern Orissa state who believed that sowing seeds mixed with her blood would yield a bumper crop, a news report said on Monday.

The incident, spurred by age-old superstitions, took place on Sunday in the tribal region of Sambalpur, 450km west of state capital Bhubaneshwar, the IANS news agency reported.

The barbaric crime was detected after the villagers caught the man Rajesh Hembram and handed him over to the police.

Hembram who owned 1.2ha of farmland, planned in advance to sow seeds mixed with the blood of his granddaughter on Akshaya Tritya on Monday, a day considered auspicious by Hindus, police said.

"He cut off his granddaughter Bernaka Kandulana's head with an axe in a room when nobody was at home and drained her blood into a pot," PC Nayak, a local police inspector told IANS.

"We found some seeds in a steel pot that were mixed with blood," he said. Police said the man was arrested and had admitted his crime.

India has a centuries-old tradition of human sacrifices to appease deities, gain prosperity or ward off evil. Some cases are still reported around the country.
 
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sails said:
Just because someone says they are God's messenger doesn't necessarily mean God has anything to do with them.
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that semantics... hows a fervent believer in the God proposed by Westbro any different then the fervent Catholic, Islamist etc etc ? but you're right :) I don't believe the Pope, Jesus, Mohammed etc etc... they're all either deluded or charlatans.

I am happy to support peoples belief in their fairytale (sorry religion) of choice. The part that grates me, is they refuse to afford me the same dignity and insist on imposing their morality and rule-set upon me and others of my ilk by ensuring, though legislation, they restrict my freedoms.
 
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kennas said:
This one almost takes the cake.

:banghead:
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Actually, this one goes close.

:eek:

This is 2009 isn't it?

NZ family accused over exorcism death
Tue May 5

Nine members of a New Zealand family will be named tomorrow after being charged over the exorcism-style manslaughter of a 22-year-old woman.

The six women and three men have pleaded not guilty in New Zealand's High Court to the manslaughter of Janet Moses during an indigenous Maori curse-lifting ceremony, known as a makutu.

Moses drowned in October 2007 when water was poured down her throat as part of the ceremony in the town of Wainuiomata, near Wellington.
 
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you wondered how rudd ever got a gernsey? but you did ntice him in church right? you noticed howard never gave up, he kept trying and succeeded? and you noticed him in church right?

heres you answer. the answer to many questions....i know its long. but worth the read.

A new interview with Richard Bell, historian of money, retired manipulator of stocks.

Q: So, foreign investors are accelerating their withdrawal of money from the US.

A: A significant amount is being shifted to Europe.

Q: So is this current stock market debacle an OP run by the European Union (EU)?

A: That is true, but too simplistic. Dr. Paisley points out that the EU has been a stepoperation.

Q: Meaning?

A: First came the Common Market. Then we had the European Community. Now we have the Europe Union. At each step, people were told, “This is a good and limited concept.” That was all a joke. It was always about creating one giant Euro-super-state, under the control of a few people.

Q: And so?

A: So, the Vatican has been everywhere during this step-operation, urging the parties forward, promoting the idea of UNITY. Which is always a winner. People like that concept. Paisley points out that unity is used as a soft hammer to make people forget who is doing the wrong thing and who is doing the right thing. UNITY as a tool of propaganda means: No one is really bad. Make alliances with everyone. Melt into One. That is a disastrous political policy.

Q: And the Vatican is pushing the mission of the EU because?

A: Because making friends and influencing people and playing nice and urging unity IS the current strategy of the Vatican, in these times. It is using that soft approach to create bigger political structures, over which it can exercise control. People forget that a dedicated Roman Catholic, if he is at the head of a large organization, can easily function as a front for the Vatican. If you have ten men like this, all of them powerful,

all of them who have been helped by the Church into their positions of power, then you are looking at a formidable controlling force””which owes its allegiance to the Vatican.
Q: Name such a man.

A: Jacques Delors, who was president, at one point, of the European Commission. He met with Dr. Carey, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and they spoke of this “shared spirituality” that was needed. But that term, for the Vatican, is code for “the one and only Church.” Its Church. People shrink away from realizing that the Vatican has ALWAYS considered itself the rightful ruler of Earth. I can’t be any plainer than that. And all this footsy-playing with other religions and churches is just drivel, behind which lies the real agenda. Paisley, in his article, quotes a letter from the Pope John Paul II to the Archbishop of Prague”–We cannot simply conceive of Europe as a market of economic exchanges or a place for the circulation of ideas but, above all, it must be a genuine community of nations, which want to unite their future and live like brothers, respecting the cultures and spiritual traditions…” You KNOW this is a fraud, because if there is one thing the Roman Church, behind the scenes, does NOT respect, it is the “various spiritual traditions.” That’s the soft soap. That’s the New Agey stuff, the warm fuzzy. That’s the front behind which the Vatican licks its chops, as it contemplates an EU which is fully organized and ready for further takeover from Above. Above, being the Vatican itself. This is no joke. This is almost two thousand years of plotting and conniving and working toward the goal of Rule. But people reject the idea because they think that the Vatican is weak and lost and can never command billions of people to walk into a Church and fall on their knees. But you see, the Vatican, above all, has patience. The long-term goal has thousands and thousands of steps. I know this from numerous contacts over the years. Near the end of my career on Wall Street, I used to tell my friends””changing a quote I had once read”–The Jews who are not Jews run Wall Street at the pleasure of the British financiers who have an illusory idea about the primacy of England, and they in turn serve at the pleasure of the Vatican, which remains in the shadows.” It’s more or less a straight line, and the top of the line gives you the group which appears to be the weakest. Appears. That’s the operative word. If you read Tupper Saussy’s fine book, Rulers of Evil, you will discover that the first translation of Sun-tzu’s classic treatise, Art of War, into a Western language was made in 1772, in French. By Joseph-Marie Amiot, an astronomer in the court of the Emperor of China. Amiot was a Jesuit priest. The Jesuits know all about appearing weak into order to win, and they are perhaps the world’s greatest appliers of Sun-tzu. And they are in it for the long haul.
Q: Then what function, in this scheme, does the EU play?

A: The shill.

Q: Explain.

A: The shill parks himself near the con man and makes it seem like the game can be won easily. The shill is the man who makes it look easy. I stretch the meaning of the term a little. But a shill is a bright penny that attracts attention. The EU represents UNITY. Unity is the bright penny that exclaims, “Look! We can do it. We can all live in harmony. All we need to do is sit down and talk long enough, and all our divisions and conflicts will be solved.” The shill draws the crowds. The shill makes the crowd think there is something very good here. The shill is the magnet, if you will, that sucks in the customers, the adherents, the loyal ones, the people of hope. It’s the oldest trick in the book. And the people who play this trick on a grand scale are very, very clever. They want total domination, but they carve out a circuitous route, because that is the way to arrive. They set up a front which is the shill, and the shill looks very, very good. I don’t mean to offend anyone by this, but for the Vatican, Jesus is a shill, the ultimate shill. Of course, their version of him is so far from the older concept it isn’t even funny. But I digress.

Q: So you’re saying that the Vatican looks for a group that can appear to be very, let’s say, humanitarian, and it uses that to attract followers.

A: Of course. What do you think they spend their time doing? But in their secret “catechism,” creating groups which appear to do good works is really the creation of shills. That’s half of what the Vatican DOES.

Q: Okay. Let’s take this a step further. How about this? “The Vatican, working through certain players in the EU, have been making war on the US stock market.”
A: Now you’re clicking.

Q: And the motive is?

A: To weaken anything powerful that is not completely within the circle of power of the Vatican.
Q: Even if such weakening brings about chaos.

A: Especially if it brings about chaos. The very atmosphere in which the Vatican thrives. Chaos ALWAYS equals new followers who are looking for a way to assuage their fear.

Q: You’re saying this is just a current OP that follows along with a very old strategy.

A: A strategy in which the Vatican is the master.

Q: Now, in your years on Wall Street, did you run into people who knew all this, who saw the larger dimensions of the game?

A: I did. Mostly, they kept their mouths shut. Essentially, you’re asking me, “What does a mid-level or low-level player in an ultimately corrupt game do when he discovers a few of the larger dimensions of that game?”

Q: Well, you could say that question applies, in a sense, to all of us, if you stretch the meaning a little.

A: Exactly. That IS the question, isn’t it? We may not be willing and conscious participants in the direction the game is going, but we are in the game, one way or another. I myself WAS a man who twisted the truth to maneuver money in certain ways. And finally, because I was very bull-headed, because I was very selfish””it took me quite awhile to wake up and get out of my own trap.

Q: Here is another Paisley quote. “Deliberate engineering to create the coming about of the European Union provides an enormous opportunity to develop and extend the influence of the Church of Rome. Remember, it is Roman Catholic laymen who, from the beginning, were behind the formation of, and today continue to push the growth of, the European Union.”

A: And look at something else. What is one of the most important economic wars for market share on the planet?

Q: The one between the US and what is now the EU.

A: Yes.

Q: Part of the reason the EU was formed was to give a Europe a chance to compete with the US in that area.

A: Yes. And, situated above all this, its sights set on weakening that “far too independent nation,” the US, has been the Vatican. And one step in that weakening operation is the current trashing of US corporations and the stock market. Which, covertly, was an OP launched by the EU, behind which firmly stands the Vatican.

Q: Layers of the onion.

A: Right.

Q: There are undoubtedly other forces at work in the weakening of the US trading markets.

A: There are. But the big unnoticed one””that’s what I’m describing.

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Q: We’ve just seen the $60 billion merger of two drug companies, Pfizer and Pharmacia. This makes Pfizer, which was already the largest drug house in the US, even bigger.

A: There are many reasons for these mergers, but looking at it from the top of the basic control agenda, it’s all about shrinking down the number of people who have any say in what happens to us. In empire building, the people who really sit behind the scenes ant larger and larger structures to emerge, because, if they can control THOSE, they can control the whole show..”
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/7197144/Jon-R ... he-Vatican
 
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This is almost as crazy as priests being celibate, the burqa, circumcism, exorcism, and grown men wailing at a wall.


Burundian albino murders denied

The trial has begun in Burundi of 11 defendants accused of attacking and killing 12 albino people, starting with the murder of a young girl.

It is thought to be the first trial linked to the recent spate of albino killings in East Africa, which has claimed more than 50 lives.

The 11 denied charged of murder and attempted murder.

Police believe albino body parts are smuggled out of Burundi and sold in Tanzania, to be used in witchcraft.
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I must run out now and get me an albino toe to mix in the soup to cure my cancer.....

:banghead:
 
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kennas said:
This is almost as crazy as priests being celibate, the burqa, circumcism, exorcism, and grown men wailing at a wall.
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Lets not forget that people who came to Australia 30 thousand years ago have set of costly beliefs too.
 
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Happy said:
Lets not forget that people who came to Australia 30 thousand years ago have set of costly beliefs too.
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It's all superstition/myth/folklore, and it's all crazy!

Religion is answers to what logic and science can not provide. The Earth was flat once, and the Sun and Moon gods. Galileo was tried by the Inquisition and jailed for looking through a telescope. Cripes, thunder was a god once. :confused:

Time to move on humans!

Stop making yourself look so rediculous!!! :banghead:
 
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kennas said:
Time to move on humans!

Stop making yourself look so rediculous!!! :banghead:
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It is also money drain, as houses of worship have generous tax concessions and to think that we have more than 140 religions officially registered it is a lot of dough.
 
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Just goes to show the fallible nature of mankind.
We could just as easily titled this thread athiesm gone crazy and pointed to the gulags of Stalin, the killing fields of Pol Pot, the gas chambers of Hitler, Mao's cultural revolution and so on. We could point to the drug gangs and the criminals driven by the love of money and none of those would be out of place with this thread.

Nice thread to have a vent but not really much in terms of a reasoned discussion i would have thought.
 
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ktrianta said:
Just goes to show the fallible nature of mankind.
We could just as easily titled this thread athiesm gone crazy and pointed to the gulags of Stalin, the killing fields of Pol Pot, the gas chambers of Hitler, Mao's cultural revolution and so on. We could point to the drug gangs and the criminals driven by the love of money and none of those would be out of place with this thread.

Nice thread to have a vent but not really much in terms of a reasoned discussion i would have thought.
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Well said. I've looked at this thread and wondered whether to express my point of view and chose not to -- Nice to see the logical counter argument so well expressed. Quality values are important - and we could forever argue the best place/s of origin.
 
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ktrianta said:
We could just as easily titled this thread athiesm gone crazy and pointed to the gulags of Stalin, the killing fields of Pol Pot, the gas chambers of Hitler, Mao's cultural revolution and so on. We could point to the drug gangs and the criminals driven by the love of money and none of those would be out of place with this thread.
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well no, not really. none of that had anything to do with being athiest or not. the fact that the people doing these things are athiests is irrelevant because they didn't do these things because they ARE athiests. however many of the other posts in this thread are things done BECAUSE OF religious belief.

now if you wanted a counter you could do a "Science and Logic Gone Crazy" and go on about mad scientists, phrenology, klaus barbie, unit 731 and so on, but you'd still be slighty out of it because this thread bring up things that happen NOW because of religious belief. you'd need to find modern day mad scientists to be applicable. maybe look into that mad cloning doctor who makes fluroescent people.

religion is treated like some philosophical sacred cow (and the muslims are pushing to make it illegal to criticise religion) which is rubbish. all ideas, philosophies and concepts must be open to challenge or we all might as well just become the mindless automatons the government wants us to be.
 
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