Reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum

[yonnie]

in my opinion we should have respect for each other`s views; is it not so that there are 100 ways to skin a cat?

why not make ASF the best trading site in the world!

ASF will stand out in the crowd and experienced traders will want to join up and share their experiences, because they know they wont be ridiculed.

ASF is a business like I have a business and shouldn`t we all strive for the best?

best to get rid of that handful of trouble makers:
1. disrespectful - a warning and make them apologize on that thread
2. second warning and make them apologize on the thread
3. 3rd time OUT YOU GO.

Nanny state?: I dont care what you call it, but a few people can disrupt a whole site.
the leadership has to come from the top.

ACTION I would say

 

[basilio]

I believe much of the profits that can be made from the stock market is sheer confidence. Often blind confidence. If enough people can be persuaded to believe a particular stock is a good thing and start buying it, it will go up.

So right now of course there isn't much confidence and certainly very little blind confidence. So one of the main functions of forums like ASF in creating and maintaining confidence is lacking.

What remains it seems are specific individual plays where someone believes special factors will result in outstanding returns. For example ADI/AUT oil shale threads. The CSG takeover theme. The threads on new technology stocks that are just waiting for a grand arrival. (CFU and co) And LNC which forever seems to be on the cusp of selling its coal mines and making a $1billion.

Unfortunately there hasn't been any particular winners in the past 6-8 months so even this area is muted.

 

[nioka]

best to get rid of that handful of trouble makers:
1. disrespectful - a warning and make them apologize on that thread
2. second warning and make them apologize on the thread
3. 3rd time OUT YOU GO.
ACTION I would say

Whoa there.
Constructive criticism is sometimes hard to pick from disrespect. Respect must be earnt and some do not deserve respect just as others do not deserve the criticism they can "cop" here. Without criticism posters can get away with posts that are misleading. As for making an apology!, all that does is give someone a second chance to let others know what you REALLY meant.

Can I suggest that Joe and the mods do have the matter under control.

 

[nioka]

Unfortunately there hasn't been any particular winners in the past 6-8 months so even this area is muted.

Can't agree. The last six months have had plenty of great opportunities. It is when times are tough that the opportunities are there. The best for me has been ADI, AUT ane EKA but there have been good opportunities to trade for freebies. SDL was a good buy and quick trade as was VPG and CER was a good sell and buy back. CFE had some profitable opportunities as has BUL. LYC has been great in that time.

These forums can help you decide which ones to look out for. but DYOR

 

[sails]

I have decided to implement this idea.

From now on General Chat threads will not be included in the "Recent Threads" module on the front page. Hopefully, this will keep the focus on threads related to the stock market and trading/investing while enabling those who wish to participate in General Chat threads to still do so.

Feedback on this decision, of course, is always welcome!

Hi Joe,

I hadn't seen your post and wondered where the general chat had gone!

They do re-appear when clicking on the "new posts" link at the top of the page. This saves having to specifically find the general chat area from time to time. Hopefully this feature will remain as is!

I think the stock threads may not be as prolific as other forums possibly influenced by the 100 character rule. I see other forums where there may be a larger quantity of posts, but many are very short or lacking in content. I feel that ASF has better quality of posting as opposed to quantity.

Cheers...

 

[trainspotter]

I like what you have done with the "general chat" not appearing on the main menu scene #1 home page. Very clever. Thank you Joe !

 

[Joe Blow]

I hadn't seen your post and wondered where the general chat had gone!

They do re-appear when clicking on the "new posts" link at the top of the page. This saves having to specifically find the general chat area from time to time. Hopefully this feature will remain as is!

Yes, those interested in what's going on in the General Chat threads can simply click on the "New Posts" link when they arrive at ASF. By taking them out of the "Recent Threads" module on the front page I think it keeps the focus on the stock market related threads. One of the moderators made the point last night that for those arriving at ASF for the first time it may be somewhat confusing to see half a dozen threads about random general topics such as "Any followers of Jesus here???????"

I should emphasize that it is a trial and I welcome any feedback on the decision.

I think the stock threads may not be as prolific as other forums possibly influenced by the 100 character rule. I see other forums where there may be a larger quantity of posts, but many are very short or lacking in content. I feel that ASF has better quality of posting as opposed to quantity.

Yes, I have resisted any temptation to lower the minimum standards of posting in stock threads even though I'm aware that it does have an impact on the quantity of posts. I know the 100 character minimum post length in stock threads irritates some people but I can honestly say that I have never seen a post in a stock thread of less than 100 characters that could not be improved very easily by adding an additional thought, a question or simply by elaborating a little.

I hope that most ASF members would prefer to see one quality post in a stock thread than 10 nonsense posts.

 

[nunthewiser]

Looks good,

Totally agree re Quality verses Quantity on stock forum posts


Go BTA

 

[yonnie]

Whoa there.
Constructive criticism is sometimes hard to pick from disrespect. Respect must be earnt and some do not deserve respect just as others do not deserve the criticism they can "cop" here. Without criticism posters can get away with posts that are misleading. As for making an apology!, all that does is give someone a second chance to let others know what you REALLY meant.

Can I suggest that Joe and the mods do have the matter under control.

it is the tone of the post that will set constructive critisism apart from disrespect.

some people even start their post with: no offence, but.........

if in doubt the mods should ask the poster to explain.

sorry but dont agree with the control thingy if I look at the thread sinner brought to our attention.........
that was awful.

 

[nunthewiser]

some people start their post with: no offence, but.........

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sorry but dont agree with the control thingy .

No offence intended but i think the mods and admin here do a great job in controlling the threads.

but they are only human and cannot catch everything everytime.

They are in regular contact with me and i feel qualified to say this

 

[yonnie]

They are in regular contact with me and i feel qualified to say this

lol

 

[explod]

Well done by the ASF aministration etc., the whole site feels better to me already.

 

[explod]

lol

Yeh, he he, always someone gota biig note

 

[sinner]

Yes being questioned about your paper trading scenarios by people using real trading techniques would be a rather tiring excercise.

I totally understand.

This sarcasm was totally unappreciated nun. Personally spent many hours writing responses to peoples questions based on my experience trading using real techniques with real money. Went out of my way to post a comprehensive trading plan, in advance of each trade. Having continued the exercise off the forum, I was pleasantly surprised to find it rather profitable in a new market for me (ASX20) the only difference being the information was not contributed to the forum (yet when I had the idea to trade the ASX20 I immediately thought to share my journey with ASF).
I recall a thread was started by someone new asking for advice on that same system, you accused them of being a system seller just because of the name of the system! This degenerated further with more "respected members" piling rubbish responses and insults on until someone with a brain stepped in and pointed out to the OP that there was a thread on the topic already.

In this scenario what has happened? The new person leaves, feeling frustrated and disillusioned, while the "respected members" just keep getting more and more "respected" until we end up with threads like this one complaining ASF needs reinvigorating.

In the thread I linked above, someone who asking for advice regarding Dr. Alexander Elders well known, well back-tested, real "Triple Screen Trading" technique was given a response such as this:
"On the other hand, if you're a scamming blood-sucker thats creating another super-mega-profitable system and going to sell it for $4999 with 50% off, only to the next 125 callers, then go for it, you're on the right track"

by one of the so called "respected" traders of this forum. How can this be viewed constructively? TST and all the information about it is available for free (as the OP of that thread plainly stated) on sites like investopedia. This is trading technique information that has come from not some random system seller, but Dr. E who I am sure did not earn his title by selling copies of FapTurbo.

How do you think newbies will feel after receiving such a response when asking for advice? Surely you can see the issue at hand here?

The title of this thread is "reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum". A truly admirable goal if you believe ASF is no longer the stock forum it once was (as obviously the OP does). Posters like us, to who the plea is directed, should ask exactly how we will undertake to reinvigorate this forum. Will it be through more derision, negativity, sarcasm and know-it-allism? Or will it be through an attitude of community building, mutual respect and some level of tolerance for those newcomers who don't yet know the "unwritten rules" of this place? I think the answer will define whether the question posed in the thread title will succeed or fail.

 

[nunthewiser]

This sarcasm was totally unappreciated nun. Personally spent many hours writing responses to peoples questions based on my experience trading using real techniques with real money. Went out of my way to post a comprehensive trading plan, in advance of each trade. Having continued the exercise off the forum, I was pleasantly surprised to find it rather profitable in a new market for me (ASX20) the only difference being the information was not contributed to the forum (yet when I had the idea to trade the ASX20 I immediately thought to share my journey with ASF). Yet I recall a thread started by someone asking for advice on that same system, you accused them of being a system seller just because of the name of the system!

And if you scroll back not once was my post directed at you , it was someone else AND that person knows why , we allready had the chat on the subject and i was merely being a smartarse.
SHOW me where i accused them being a system seller

why am i NOW the subject of your attention? i couldnt give a hoot about your trading NOR your trading threads and wonder why you have chosen me to let fly at today.

get ya facts right if you want to come in swinging at me for no reason

 

[J&M]

The title of this thread is "reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum". A truly admirable goal if you believe ASF is no longer the stock forum it once was (as obviously the OP does). Posters like us, to who the plea is directed, should ask exactly how we will undertake to reinvigorate this forum. Will it be through more derision, negativity, sarcasm and know-it-allism? Or will it be through an attitude of community building, mutual respect and some level of tolerance for those newcomers who don't yet know the "unwritten rules" of this place? I think the answer will define whether the question posed in the thread title will succeed or fail.

you have hit the nail right on the head well written and fully agree

james

 

[nunthewiser]

In the thread I linked above, someone who asking for advice regarding Dr. Alexander Elders well known, well back-tested, real "Triple Screen Trading" technique was given a response such as this:
"On the other hand, if you're a scamming blood-sucker thats creating another super-mega-profitable system and going to sell it for $4999 with 50% off, only to the next 125 callers, then go for it, you're on the right track"

.

I hope you not impyling i said this .

In fact i cannot recall ever posting on YOUR threads and wonddering what the go is here .


geez

 

[sinner]

And if you scroll back not once was my post directed at you , it was someone else AND that person knows why , we allready had the chat on the subject and i was merely being a smartarse.
SHOW me where i accused them being a system seller

why am i NOW the subject of your attention? i couldnt give a hoot about your trading NOR your trading threads and wonder why you have chosen me to let fly at today.

get ya facts right if you want to come in swinging at me for no reason

Sorry nun, my apology, I went and had a look at the thread, it was others being silly in that case. The thread in question I remembered was this one, I guess your name got stuck in my head as the last poster.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17933

The point was more that after such a response, you can generally be sure the newbie will not return. In this case, you can see they did not.

I hope you not impyling i said this .

Nope, not at all. I didn't reference who said it because it was just an example I did not want to bring a name into the discussion.

 

[DocK]

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How do you think newbies will feel after receiving such a response when asking for advice? Surely you can see the issue at hand here?

The title of this thread is "reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum". A truly admirable goal if you believe ASF is no longer the stock forum it once was (as obviously the OP does). Posters like us, to who the plea is directed, should ask exactly how we will undertake to reinvigorate this forum. Will it be through more derision, negativity, sarcasm and know-it-allism? Or will it be through an attitude of community building, mutual respect and some level of tolerance for those newcomers who don't yet know the "unwritten rules" of this place? I think the answer will define whether the question posed in the thread title will succeed or fail.

you have hit the nail right on the head well written and fully agree

james

I also agree. I have personally been put off from posting on "serious" threads for fear of being subjected to the scorn and ridicule that does seem to be rather prevalent at times on this forum. Us newbies do ask some truly stupid things at times, but that is how we learn. If shown the error of our ways in polite and constructive language - we will learn or at least consider an alternative viewpoint offered by a more experienced trader/investor. If scorned and ridiculed in a condescending manner, it's far more likely that ASF will lose a potential member.

It may also be possible that opinions/methods that differ from one's own aren't always wrong - just different?? Several ways to skin a cat, and all that

Having said all that though, I do often find myself laughing at my screen at some of the argy-bargy that goes on - it can be very entertaining when it's not directed at yourself

 

[trainspotter]

Seagull and the chip syndrome all over again.