Reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum

[sails]

I also just click on the "new posts" button or link and then only open the threads which are of interest. Definitely very easy...

I like the diversity of ASF and would be sorry to see the general chat hidden from view.

It takes time and effort to post charts and write up analysis. Would have to be frustrating when that post is ridiculed because another poster doesn't agree with the method. A recent example happening in the XJO thread.

If people want more participation in the stock threads, I think there may also have to be more tolerance. Not sure if that's possible though...

 

[nunthewiser]

I like ASF the way it is , i like the general chat more than i like the stock threads .

I trade , i post my thoughts but i find it hard to communicate without calling a spade a spade ... when i do this, some of the more sensitive types and those that disagree with my analysis/thoughts report me for wording things the way i do ...... i do not abuse,swear,attack in the stock threads.......i just call a spade a spade.......... i find it hard to post in the stock/trading threads without upsetting someone.

I do enjoy the Trading threads and agree there should be more effort made to keep them active but my participation will be limited as they are detrimental to my lifespan as a poster here.

However

I enjoy the "other' NON STOCK RELATED threads as in these threads we tend to get a bit more freedom on how we relate our message/point of view.
It is also nice to read/participate in non market related chit chat/opinions on relevant matters in the world to lighten the load when we are sitting in front of a pc all day trading.

my thinking is , if ya dont want to read a thread ... dont bloody open it .......

simple really

 

[nunthewiser]

My last post is NOT an attack on the rules and regulations of the Trading threads and i understand they must be enforced and respected.

 

[nioka]

Joe,

Personally I don't believe that you need to change anything at all. ASF is a credit to your work to date in that regard. It is the contributors,yours truly included, that need to "up their game".

It is exactly in tough times like this that potential investors need more information, not less. I have found more opportunity in these so called tough times than ever before in my reasonably long life. Current contributors may be out of the market as they say so there is a need to attract new contributors that are in or will be in the market if ASF is to continue as a STOCK forum.

It is not that the general interest is not there either. eg.
Posts on ASF re CER for the last 100 days 2 , posts on another forum so far for July 58.
Posts on ASF for BUL for the last 100 days 7, posts on the other forum so far for July 64.

At that rate why would anyone want to use ASF to keep up to date with a particular stock.

To ASFers,
I rest my case. Ship up or ship out. The advertisers that support this program are only interested in results.

(While I was typing this there were 24 posts on stocks on that other forum.)

 

[seamisty]

The ASF Wellington Capital Premium Income Fund thread has been an absolute lifeline for many investors in our fund. While many choose not to post they are extremely appreciative of this contact/information point of all things PIF Fund related. Thankyou for providing the facility for us to keep updated, it is much appreciated.

Seamisty

 

[Joe Blow]

(and your moderators as well)

Yes, a particular thanks to ASF's moderators.

They are the glue that holds this place together and I am very grateful to them for donating their time to help out.

 

[derty]

I think it is fine the way it is.

 

[Julia]

Yes.
We are talking about active intervention to highlight posts that are not "General Chat" related.
So, not just 'self-selecting', actually putting the focus onto non-"General Chat" topics.

Sorry, I'm clearly very stupid, but I'm still not clear what this means.
Are you saying General Chat threads will still appear on the Home Page, but will be in bold type?
Or are you saying, as some have suggested, that General Chat threads will be banned from appearing on the Home Page?

You don't have to agree BTW, just generating ideas.

Oh, thank you. I do realise my agreement is not a prerequisite to the formatting of the forum. I have already said that it's unimportant to me whether General Chat threads appear on the Home Page or they have to be accessed via the Forums link.

However, I stand by my earlier comment that if there are sufficient stock threads, demonstrating high level of interest in said stock threads, these will automatically push General Chat threads off the Home Page. Ditto off the New Posts link.
No one seems to have contradicted this suggestion.

I'd further suggest that in the present market environment, if General Chat threads didn't exist, the forum would be on the way to dying. Given that we are about to have a general election in a pretty unusual political climate, I'd have imagined a high level of political exchange is reasonable.

As others have said, easy to just look at the New Posts link.

As overhang said:
This will help us, and working families, in Moving Forward, Together :

Oh God, as if we're not already being driven insane by this phrase!

 

[tech/a]

Unfortunately there is no way to make it so that only one person can post in a thread. I think the Q&A is an important part of any discussion and although there's obviously nothing we can do about genuine questions, the moderators and I certainly don't mind keeping troublemakers and serial pests out of any useful discussion.

Joe I didnt suggest it for that reason.
The only reason was to keep the ideas in one long thread without having to wade through comment and questions (this can be on a seperate thread).

I am able to lock my threads on that other forum??
Anyway just suggesting it for clarity.
IE If someone wanted to read all my musings on Volume and have all charts together for instance.

Anyway if it cant be done then it cant.

 

[Julia]

Sorry, I'm clearly very stupid, but I'm still not clear what this means.
Are you saying General Chat threads will still appear on the Home Page, but will be in bold type?

Sorry, too late to edit this when I realised my mistake.
I meant to say"....... but will be in less bold type than Stock threads?"

 

[pixel]

Joe I didnt suggest it for that reason.
The only reason was to keep the ideas in one long thread without having to wade through comment and questions (this can be on a seperate thread).

I am able to lock my threads on that other forum??
Anyway just suggesting it for clarity.
IE If someone wanted to read all my musings on Volume and have all charts together for instance.

Anyway if it cant be done then it cant.

Hi tech/a
If I may make a suggestion regarding "locked threads"

In an earlier life, I contributed to an "Education Forum" with a series of posts that explained a very specific trend-following technique. You guessed it: One serial pest couldn't help himself, adding spurious and irrelevant k-r-app that quickly pushed topical Q&A's off the page. As that Forum didn't even have mods, I took the only logical way out - and set up my own website with its own blog page, in addition to an examples section etc.

I still continue as a regular contributor in the "Education" section, but stuff that I want to re-use is copied into my own blog spot. And people that want to read back know where to find earlier "on" commentary without wading knee-deep through tripe.
Costs me about $100 bucks a year - a cheap price for peace of mind and being my own boss. (oops: Don't tell the Missus that I said that )

 

[Timmy]

Are you saying General Chat threads will still appear on the Home Page, but will be in bold type?

Julia - nothing will change ATM.
This is brainstorming, just ideas.
Any changes will be up to Joe.

If it were up to me (it isn't) I would have two panels on the home page, one with a list of the latest posts in non-"General Chat" forums; below this would be a panel with the latest posts in the "General Chat" forum. Again, its just an idea, thats all.

 

[explod]

Great exchange of ideas all. ASF in some ways is like a second home and most of the time the backup from fellow travellers is excellent.

It is also an education in tolerance and perhaps all of us more experienced posters need to focus on that aspect. I know some will not believe it (as I am a bit of a ) but I have learnt of late to bite my tounge a bit.

Are we perhaps in seeking change and looking for the comfort zone. Difference is the reality but with it brings new insights and advancement.

Cheers explod

 

[jonojpsg]

Joe,

Personally I don't believe that you need to change anything at all. ASF is a credit to your work to date in that regard. It is the contributors,yours truly included, that need to "up their game".

It is exactly in tough times like this that potential investors need more information, not less. I have found more opportunity in these so called tough times than ever before in my reasonably long life. Current contributors may be out of the market as they say so there is a need to attract new contributors that are in or will be in the market if ASF is to continue as a STOCK forum.

It is not that the general interest is not there either. eg.
Posts on ASF re CER for the last 100 days 2 , posts on another forum so far for July 58.
Posts on ASF for BUL for the last 100 days 7, posts on the other forum so far for July 64.

At that rate why would anyone want to use ASF to keep up to date with a particular stock.

To ASFers,
I rest my case. Ship up or ship out. The advertisers that support this program are only interested in results.

(While I was typing this there were 24 posts on stocks on that other forum.)

Yeah but nioka how valuable and relevant are those 58 and 64 posts? What percentage of them actually include research, charts, etc that hasn't already been covered? Surely it is not possible to have 1 or two posts a day on a stock that bring up anything new, unless of course something serious like a takeover is going down.

 

[nioka]

Yeah but nioka how valuable and relevant are those 58 and 64 posts? What percentage of them actually include research, charts, etc that hasn't already been covered? Surely it is not possible to have 1 or two posts a day on a stock that bring up anything new, unless of course something serious like a takeover is going down.

Agree that there is some rubbish in some posts. It is easy to dismiss the rubbish. However on the other hand it is not easy to get good information from only 2 posts in 100 days.

ASF has rules that would keep out some of the rubbish posts. That is why I like it. That is why I am trying to make it worth logging on here. This is my last throw of the dice or I'll just play at the other casinos.

 

[Joe Blow]

Joe I didnt suggest it for that reason.
The only reason was to keep the ideas in one long thread without having to wade through comment and questions (this can be on a seperate thread).

I think having the Q&A in a separate thread has its own problems. If people can't constantly quote what they are referring to (because it's in another thread) then it can make deciphering the Q&A a little difficult.

I appreciate your point about the potential difficulties of having the original ideas and the Q&A in the same thread but I like the way threads read like a conversation. I think most times it's easier to follow having the entire discussion in the one thread even though it may appear on the surface to be confusing, as long as the troublemakers are kept out or minimised and the thread is kept on track.

Also, when starting a new thread, it's good to have a few posts prepared so you can get them in first and put out a lot of what you want to explain before the questions start coming.

That being said, I would consider moving out the Q&A manually into another thread should a particular situation warrant it. It can be done after the fact.

 

[Timmy]

It is not that the general interest is not there either. eg.
Posts on ASF re CER for the last 100 days 2 , posts on another forum so far for July 58.
Posts on ASF for BUL for the last 100 days 7, posts on the other forum so far for July 64.

(While I was typing this there were 24 posts on stocks on that other forum.)

nioka, This needs repeating, so I have.

The idea that there are few stock posts because of a lack of interest in stocks is clearly not supported by this data.

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From my own perspective, what interests me, I find the contributions from some posters regarding the international markets (both the fundamentals/macro views, and the technical) stimulating and very valuable and of a quality I haven't found elsewhere. Just need more of it.

 

[Bushman]

I think it is fine the way it is.

Agree - ASF is what it is.

In terms of political discussion, regulatory and sovereign risk are key drivers of stock valuations and investors need to be informed.

ASF is top notch for trading ideas.

ASF has lost some of its good posters on small/mid cap stocks which is probably more symptomatic of a range trading market. I must say that if I post on small caps these days, it is on HC as it has a greater depth of posters.

The main disappointment I have with ASF is that you do not get much discussion going in the stock forum when you post something so eventually the interest in doing so wanes. So lets support each others ideas by passing comment.

 

[Joe Blow]

Your thread has encouraged me to do more on ASF.

So lets support each others ideas by passing comment.

Ultimately I think this is the answer to getting more discussion happening on individual stocks.

Once posting frequency increases it will bring more stocks to people's attention because an increasing amount of stock threads will have been bumped to the top. This will encourage others to read those recently updated threads and perhaps comment themselves. Keep an eye on your watchlist and if an interesting announcement comes through or a stock experiences a significant increase or decrease in price, post about it on ASF and this will end up generating more discussion.

Posting activity feeds on itself and if everyone pitches in things can be ramped up fairly quickly.

 

[Julia]

Julia - nothing will change ATM.
This is brainstorming, just ideas.
Any changes will be up to Joe.

If it were up to me (it isn't) I would have two panels on the home page, one with a list of the latest posts in non-"General Chat" forums; below this would be a panel with the latest posts in the "General Chat" forum. Again, its just an idea, thats all.

That sounds like a really good idea, Timmy.

Ultimately I think this is the answer to getting more discussion happening on individual stocks.

Once posting frequency increases it will bring more stocks to people's attention because an increasing amount of stock threads will have been bumped to the top. This will encourage others to read those recently updated threads and perhaps comment themselves.

This is the point I've been trying to make. ASF is what it is as a result of the contributions of the members (obviously). If we all sit back and read what someone else has said but decline to become involved ourselves, then the result will be as we have been seeing.

However:

Posting activity feeds on itself and if everyone pitches in things can be ramped up fairly quickly.