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On a more serious note, rapid antigen tests could be used for anyone wanting to cross borders.
NSW is presently using them to supplement PCR testing.
These have been around for a long time and why we are so far behind in using them is a mystery.
They are not perfect, but given a high percentage of the QLD/NSW border crossings would be "essential work" related for the Coolangatta Tweed region the chance of spread would be minimal and limited.
More importantly RAT tests could be applied to transport workers who continue to cross borders without restriction or testing. Apparently these people are immune from covid!
 
the Creek I know (either a trickle or a torrent) is part of the Townsville ex-urb, incorporated so the city population can be made to appear significantly large. The wildlife is charming; just stop for a second and they will find you when out walking. Especially at dusk. And then there was the python that installed on the bed when we were out. And the harmony of the frogs, calling away to each other.
 
I did a bit of detective work and found a link for the place @Garpal Gumnut made his home for the night. Must be a very recent photo because the Presidential Suite Senior Management are trying to work out how to handle Garpal's late Checkout.;)

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rederob said:
On a more serious note, rapid antigen tests could be used for anyone wanting to cross borders.
NSW is presently using them to supplement PCR testing.
These have been around for a long time and why we are so far behind in using them is a mystery.
They are not perfect, but given a high percentage of the QLD/NSW border crossings would be "essential work" related for the Coolangatta Tweed region the chance of spread would be minimal and limited.
More importantly RAT tests could be applied to transport workers who continue to cross borders without restriction or testing. Apparently these people are immune from covid!
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My doctor said that rapid antigen tests are useful but wouldn’t work as a border measure. She said it is complicated and not exact enough given the large number of Crusties from Byron on the one hand and on the other Very Rich Diseased Persons trying to flee Sydney and Melbourne for Qld.

So as a supplement to the proper test it is ok but if you want to keep people out until your own people are vaccinated it is probably not useful.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
My doctor said that rapid antigen tests are useful but wouldn’t work as a border measure. She said it is complicated and not exact enough given the large number of Crusties from Byron on the one hand and on the other Very Rich Diseased Persons trying to flee Sydney and Melbourne for Qld.

So as a supplement to the proper test it is ok but if you want to keep people out until your own people are vaccinated it is probably not useful.

gg
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Specificity of the better RAT tests approximates 99.9% so you might miss one in a thousand. However, with border testing on a daily basis the odds of a person being missed on the second crossing become negligible.

In any case, isn't it better to test everyone crossing rather than continuing to allow discretionary untested exemptions?
And, given the very low risk from amongst those tested, we get a more functional economy.
 
rederob said:
Specificity of the better RAT tests approximates 99.9% so you might miss one in a thousand. However, with border testing on a daily basis the odds of a person being missed on the second crossing become negligible.
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published 12 Aug 2021.... an Uncorrected Proof.

So wow. stop everything.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
published 12 Aug 2021.... an Uncorrected Proof.

So wow. stop everything.
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The research findings on each RAT were at figure 1 and will not change as they were based on information from the linked website, which explains everything more simply.
As I said, these tests have been around for a long time and have also been put to good use in keeping many of our FIFO-based worksites safe.
 
rederob said:
Specificity of the better RAT tests approximates 99.9% so you might miss one in a thousand. However, with border testing on a daily basis the odds of a person being missed on the second crossing become negligible.

In any case, isn't it better to test everyone crossing rather than continuing to allow discretionary untested exemptions?
And, given the very low risk from amongst those tested, we get a more functional economy.
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These are the type of people Queensland is keeping out by insisting on individual checks not antigen testing.

A mob from Byron and Mullumbimby in this report with no social conscience.

I believe 4000 people were turned back some days ago with inadequate documentation at our border on the Pacific Highway.

So missing 1/1000 in 1 week = 30 possible nincompoops entering Queensland.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/security-guards-byron-post-office-covid-check-ins/100386262

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
These are the type of people Queensland is keeping out by insisting on individual checks not antigen testing.

A mob from Byron and Mullumbimby in this report with no social conscience.

I believe 4000 people were turned back some days ago with inadequate documentation at our border on the Pacific Highway.

So missing 1/1000 in 1 week = 30 possible nincompoops entering Queensland.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/security-guards-byron-post-office-covid-check-ins/100386262

gg
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That would only be the case if every person was covid positive to begin with, and we know that is not so.
Lets assume there were actually 35 positive cases that tried to sneak across over a week and they were among 5000 tested each day.
That works out as one positive case per thousand crossings, per week.
So that one person in a thousand would be caught 999 days in every thousand.
 
rederob said:
That would only be the case if every person was covid positive to begin with, and we know that is not so.
Lets assume there were actually 35 positive cases that tried to sneak across over a week and they were among 5000 tested each day.
That works out as one positive case per thousand crossings, per week.
So that one person in a thousand would be caught 999 days in every thousand.
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Thanks @rederob .

I am aware of that. I just thought this thread had so much fake news in it I'd add a bit of my own.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
These are the type of people Queensland is keeping out by insisting on individual checks not antigen testing.

A mob from Byron and Mullumbimby in this report with no social conscience.

I believe 4000 people were turned back some days ago with inadequate documentation at our border on the Pacific Highway.

So missing 1/1000 in 1 week = 30 possible nincompoops entering Queensland.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-18/security-guards-byron-post-office-covid-check-ins/100386262

gg
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i was SHOCKED the Post Office had enough customers to be worried about ... but then i saw the signs about the bank agencies they have

IN WHICH case i would be more worried about MASKED individuals ( nice and handy to escape across the state border too )

Australia Post is obviously missing the guidance from Ms. Holgate
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Thanks @rederob .

I am aware of that. I just thought this thread had so much fake news in it I'd add a bit of my own.

gg
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I get it.
What I don't get is why there are so many cross border exemptions who are never tested, when a RAT testing regime on every crossing would catch almost every case and keep borders open.
I am in favour of many aspects of mitigation but we should be combining them with technology so that our economy can continue to be reasonably functional.
For example, would you rather catch a flight where everyone was double vaccinated (ie. with a vaccine passport) but not tested, or one where everyone had tested negative albeit with a very slim chance you were sitting next to someone who a was false negative?
As matters stand the only way we know for sure we are negative is if we have a PCR test. While they are more accurate, they are not that convenient. Regular RAT testing of large slabs of the population could be carried out reasonably conveniently and actually catch more cases than PCR testing, and catch them earlier.
 
divs4ever said:
i was SHOCKED the Post Office had enough customers to be worried about ... but then i saw the signs about the bank agencies they have

IN WHICH case i would be more worried about MASKED individuals ( nice and handy to escape across the state border too )

Australia Post is obviously missing the guidance from Ms. Holgate
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Without casting any aspersions on the motley crew who inhabit Byron and its environs, there are crusties, vax deniers, chefs, movie stars, maddies, financial advisers and baddies living there in larger percentages than anywhere else in Australia.

They all use Australia Post in Byron.

Take your pick.

Would you want our Queensland grandparents on a train from Roma St. in Brisbane going to Townsville with any one of them?

Our pensioners need protecting.

gg
 
rederob said:
I get it.
What I don't get is why there are so many cross border exemptions who are never tested, when a RAT testing regime on every crossing would catch almost every case and keep borders open.
I am in favour of many aspects of mitigation but we should be combining them with technology so that our economy can continue to be reasonably functional.
For example, would you rather catch a flight where everyone was double vaccinated (ie. with a vaccine passport) but not tested, or one where everyone had tested negative albeit with a very slim chance you were sitting next to someone who a false negative?
As matters stand the only way we know for sure we are negative if is we have a PCR test. While they are more accurate, they are not that convenient. Regular RAT testing of large slabs of the population could be carried out reasonably conveniently and actually catch more cases than PCR testing, and catch them earlier.
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I guess it depends on which side of the border you are looking at it from.

I have friends in the Northern Rivers who are doing it hard, financially, socially and medically. Their main tertiary drainage is in to Brisbane. They are desperate to have restrictions lifted and would agree to antigen testing.

Nobody I know in Brisbane, out West to the NT and SA borders or further north up to the PNG sea border wants the southern border of Queensland open because of the behaviour of many groups not only in NSW, but also in Victoria. They would oppose antigen testing atm.

For all its sins, Queensland as WA is fairly homogenous with less tribal friction and crazies than the Southern states.

Unfortunately as with all pandemics the public health measures are mixed with social, anthropological and political issues.

I have no simple answer.

gg
 
after my mother's adventures on the tilt train just getting there and BACK on the initial train boarded ( each leg ) was a rarity

catching a virus was the least of the dramas , ( floods , break-downs , air-conditioner malfunctions etc etc . )

BTW my grand parents moved on to a better existence ( than Australia and New Zealand ) by 1969

i even ran out of parents by 2007 , they must SO EMBARRASSED looking down on the current circus
 
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