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To be honest, it would be good if the first thing you do when planning an international trip would NOT be: how to avoid flying Qantas...
This is our 2024 step 1.... and I have a Qantas ff card from the last century....
 
To be honest, it would be good if the first thing you do when planning an international trip would NOT be: how to avoid flying Qantas...
This is our 2024 step 1.... and I have a Qantas ff card from the last century....
Certainly sad.... Now they are going to acquire mid-life Q400 Dash 8 aircraft to get rid of the older ones... Unheard of... There was a time where Qantas would buy new aircraft and OTHER carriers would line up at the gate wanting our mid-life aircraft, but here we are.... Now that is a fine indication of the carriers health.
 
I liked the time we were proud, "call Australia home" style and felt nearly back already when boarding in a European or Asian airport.
There is a place for a pride , national airline..and Qantas really pushed a lot to become so bad
 
I liked the time we were proud, "call Australia home" style and felt nearly back already when boarding in a European or Asian airport.
There is a place for a pride , national airline..and Qantas really pushed a lot to become so bad
Yes Allan Joyce certainly did a number on them, slash and burn from premium to budget, with a premium price.
Actually most things Australian are starting to get that feeling about them, WOW, COL, getting a tradie to come and fix something etc, maybe it is just winter coming on, dark clouds forming.
Proud to be Australian, is certainly losing its gloss, is there any wonder they can't get people to join the armed forces.
Come on summer.
 
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Google : " The PM and Quantas " folks , for last night's ABC TV 7.30 Report with former AFR scribe , the irrepressible Joe Aston .
I've got his new book " The Chairman's Lounge " . Comes with a foreword by a certain Lilliputian sulking over a Guinness in his Dublin bolthole. ( Naah , just kidding . It's a cracker of a read though . Highly recommend it . )
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Goyder's name winds through many of the companies being discussed on ASF atm, Qantas, WES, and WDS.

A common thread.

Joe Aston is the best columnist in Australia atm. and is missed at the AFR. Always replied to emails and a thorough gentleman. I hope he resumes a column somewhere.

gg
 
I missed the 7:30 report so thanks for the heads up. As a Qantas customer from the days of TAA and one of the inaugural members of Frequent fliers and that lounge and also friends of a couple of past senior pilots, I look forward to the results of Aston's research and his views on the demise of the brand.
I will have a look if I can buy it in the Qantas shop with my FF points.
 
 
I will have a look if I can buy it in the Qantas shop with my FF points.
Before I buy Aston’s book I thought I would give my thoughts on the Chairman’s Lounge. Some of the dates are to the best of my failing memory. I was one of the early frequent flyer members, joining when it was novelty in 1987. I was flying some TAA but mainly Ansett.

Over the last couple of days I have spoken to friends who are still in the CL and also a friend who recently retires from the CL section of Qantas to confirm my impressions.

I was offered the CL membership around 1992 and needed it explained to me as I had not heard of it.

The Old Chairman’s Lounge

When I joined the Qantas objective of both the FF and CL was quite clear – to increase revenue and profits by providing benefits as an incentive for members to fly Qantas. In those days as I remember, few politicians were CL members, just the Federal and State Ministers and top public servants.

The main benefits for me was to be able to sit quietly waiting for departureand to access the lounges when travelling overseas. I must admit I did receive a few good perks. In the early days there was no point in asking for an upgrade because those were decided during check-in time and were quietly given when the lounge staff handed your boarding pass.

The More Recent Chairman’s Lounge

About half way through James Strong’s tenure it was noticeable change in composition and numbers of the members. It appeared to have more politicians and the way upgrades were handled changed.

I retired completely in late 2009 and lost the CL membership in 2011. From what I saw and have been told by more recent members is that it seems that it became obvious that Q was doing us a real favour and we should be very grateful. This started particularly around 2010 after Joyce was well and truly calling the shots. I can’t comment on how the allocation of upgrades changed except that I am told it appeared more difficult for those without perceived influence to receive them.

Albanese

The only way to describe the antics is dunb

As far as I know, there is no reason for Albo to ask for an upgrade. Apparently the system will automatically flag his booking and the staff would arrange an upgrade. If anything else was to be done it would simply be for the person doing the booking for him to phone the CL contact to say the PM has booked.

His son

Albo has admitted asking for his son’s membership because he became the PM's "plus one" after his marriage ended. Nonsense. Any CL member can bring a guest. If flying with Albo he would be treated the same as Albo so there is no need for him to be a member as his "plus one".

Qatar

Not only does that not pass the pub test as not being a favour, but it was not in Australia’s best interest. The only return for that favour is likely CL associated benefits.

It would appear that the system had changed from the original “don’t ask” for an upgrade to now insist on an upgrade” and be very grateful to, and bow down to Joyce for the gift and be prepared to give him a favour in return.

Joyce has corrupted what was a good “hand off” program.

It will be very interesting to see if the new Chair and CEO bring it back to the original concept without all the strings attached.

If anybody is interested there is a good unbiased description of the Chairman’s Lounge and the benefits here.
 
QANTAS are up to their old tricks of screwing passengers for very penny.
Brisbane to Melbourne by air is about 1055 nautical miles, return flights from flight centre are as low as $171 just now.
And yet Brisbane to Mount isa, a distance of 941 Nautical miles costs anywhere from 850 to 1300 return.
The costs rae not the same, landing fees at mt Isa are Signifcantly cheaper than Melbourne.
And as in the case of the Longreach leg mentioned below, it can't be capacity if they have to offload baggage to keep within weight limitations.
No its just screwing buggery out of regional customers because thy can.
Mick

From ABC News
 
In light of the post by @sptrawler above, I came across the following.
The Share buyback initiated by Allan Joyce for QANTAS is analysed by Chris Kenny in Evil Murdoch Press and is suggested that it may be more in the interest of bonus loving executives rather than in the interests of the company. The conclusion probably relates to many companies and their share buybacks, but more so if the "repurposing" of capital then causes issues down the track.
Mick
 
Joe Aston is the best columnist in Australia atm. and is missed at the AFR. Always replied to emails and a thorough gentleman. I hope he resumes a column somewhere.

gg
drum roll..

Joe Aston will return to The Australian Financial Review as a monthly columnist under a new agreement with his former masthead.

Aston’s column will appear online and in AFR Weekend and coincides with the creation of his new publishing and podcasting business, Rampart, which is expected to launch on 10 February.
 
I for one will be eager to have a read/listen to what he has to say.
Mick
 
ah what bitchiness a duopoly can generate. From The Australian

Joe Aston’s double-dip duds The Australian Financial Review​

James Madden and James Manning
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Joe Aston is back at the AFR! Picture: Nikki Short

In case you missed it, Joe Aston is returning to The Australian Financial Review!
Sort of. Not really.
One of the country’s best-known business columnists, Aston left the masthead in October 2023 after penning the Rear Window column for 12 years.

Aston’s comeback was announced in the AFR last month under the cheeky headline: “Win-win” for Aston as he returns to fold.
Why was it cheeky? Because while it may well be a (financial) win for Aston, the AFR – or at least its owners, Nine Entertainment – isn’t getting much bang for its buck.
Here’s the deal: Aston writes one column a month for the AFR. As in, one every 30 days, which is roughly the same timeline as a full moon, give or take.
In return, Nine is providing Aston with “pre and post publication legal support” for the content that he will produce for his soon-to-launch business newsletter Rampart – a start-up in which the AFR has no equity.
Providing Aston with “legal support” is potentially no small thing, if Aston’s rap sheet is anything to go by. The AFR had to stump up large defamation payouts and eye-watering legal bills after Aston was found to have (separately) defamed media executive Kim Williams and businesswoman Elaine Stead during his time as Rear Window columnist.
Oh, and in addition, Aston’s Rampart will actively be trying to eat the AFR’s lunch – or at least, steal its audience.
“This is a product for Chifley Towers or 101 Collins Street,” Aston told Diary last week.
As it so happens, that’s the exact same suits that the AFR targets!
So, what’s a loyal reader to do? Cough up $65 a month for Aston’s newsletter – which is bound to be a rollicking read, covering the hot business issues two or three times a week – or stick with the virtually Aston-less AFR? After all, there’s only so many business columns you can read in a week, and brilliant ones don’t grow on trees.
Aston himself maintains everyone’s a winner, saying that his readers “will mostly not be paying for Rampart with their own money”.
“If they are paying with their own money they have shitloads of it. I feel there will be value for many, but some will feel it’s not worth it for them. It’s a premium product with a premium price,” he said.
“I want to remind AFR readers I am still around and give them a taste of my work. I also want to give them a reason to subscribe to Rampart.
“If I was writing every week there could be many people who thought once a week was enough of me for them.
“They might say, ‘Why would I pay extra to get him three times a week?’ ”
As to the chances of survival for a media start-up, Aston was honest. “Statistically there is little likelihood of survival,” he admitted.
“I’m absolutely at peace with the fact this could fail spectacularly. I really am.
“If I have to crawl back to a news organisation with my tail between my legs and beg for a job in six months’ time, I’ll do that.
“I won’t die wondering.”
 
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