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QAN - Qantas Airways

What a shocker. 5,000 jobs gone. Routes axed including Perth-Singapore (which is pretty ridiculous for a so called national carrier). 50 aircraft to be sold or deferred delivery. The board and Joyce need to be sacked.
Yes.
The managerial plan for an efficient and profitable company has failed yet it's the employees that have to take that responsibility. Why are staff employed when not absolutely required? Joyce is a failure and should go now.
 

Oh the new uniforms make a huge difference!

I was speaking to someone who works at Qantas, basically the problems go back to Dixon. He decided that Qantas should buy those A380's, which internally are considered to have been a very poor decision. They are too heavy and when they're carrying a full load of passengers (a) have to fly slowly to reduce fuel burn (b) have to carry significantly reduced amounts of cargo. It's so bad, Qantas was actually considering bringing in its own cargo aircraft to plug the hole. (c) It's meant Qantas is running a crappy schedule for business (ie money makers) travellers. Take Sydney-Hong Kong, Cathay is going to be flying 5x daily on an A330 (which is a smaller aircraft) whereas Qantas has one flight/day on the A380. If you want timetable flexibility, you go with Cathay. The same is happening on flights to Singapore.

Dixon also didn't like Borghetti personally, but loved Joyce. Whereas almost everyone in QAN believed that Borghetti was far better suited to the job, Dixon picked Joyce. He's really killed staff morale. Running a profitable airline is exceedingly difficult, but Joyce really seems to have screwed the pooch.

I'm sure Borghetti is giggling like a school girl over at Virgin!
 
Interesting tid bit on this evening's ABC PM current affairs show,


http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s3953793.htm

For context, I also post a link that outlines Nathan Safe's role.

http://www.aipa.org.au/

My bolds.
 
Borghetti getting stuck into them...


Get rid of the Sale Act but it's completely unreasonable to give a debt guarantee to a private company merely because management are incompetant and/or the competition is doing a better job.
 
Borghetti getting stuck into them...

Definitely a good drama to watch...

Get rid of the Sale Act but it's completely unreasonable to give a debt guarantee to a private company merely because management are incompetant and/or the competition is doing a better job.

Well I think you don't ditch the Sale Act (which essentially means the government thinks QAN is strategically important) then there's some case of offering a debt guarantee.

Although what's the implication of a debt guarantee?

Interest costs will likely drop but they only paid $96m in the half year so that alone is not going to move the dial.

But if there's a debt guarantee which basically means unlimited access to the debt market, you would just replace as much equity with debt as you can and turbocharge the ROE...

But QAN's return on equity has been pretty poor (and probably lower than the cost of debt over the long run) and the shareholders don't really "demand" much return, may be it'd be worse off
 
Although what's the implication of a debt guarantee?

I think it's because once you break the seal then the hop to government equity support becomes a lot shorter. Realistically, there is no way the government will let Qantas fail. Even with all the tough talk on ending entitlements etc, it would be far too unpopular to let what many consider to be an icon of Australia to fall into a heap. Having said that, a debt guarantee also comes with an implied vote of confidence in managment and the board because they're pretty much being given a blank cheque courtesy of John Q Taxpayer. I doubt the government wants to send such a message.
 
oh haven't they gone under yet?
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but seriously I feel sorry for anyone that holds, and anyone that purchased this "solid Australian owned company"
 
From an article in the media in 2001 when Ansett was about to go belly up...

Crucially for Virgin Blue and Qantas, the Federal Government ruled out any sort of financial rescue or support package to keep Ansett flying.

In a rare coincidence of interest, both surviving carriers lobbied hard in Canberra to point out that this would be ruinous for the public purse, not to mention theirs.

There could be no fair competition if Ansett was kept alive with the necessary massive transfusion of taxpayer funds.


 
.... Joyce is a failure and should go now.

Agreed and so should the Chairman of the Board.

........I'm sure Borghetti is giggling like a school girl over at Virgin!

Proving the incompetence of the Qantas Board and their choice of replacement for Dixon, Mr Borghetti has demonstrated how to build and run an airline providing a stark comparison to Mr Joyce's demonstration of how to destroy a successful airline while blaming everyone else.

And the newly renovated management building on Bourke Rd looks spectacular too and should make an enormous difference

They'll probably have to sell it soon, to cover Joyce's severance package.
 
Realistically, there is no way the government will let Qantas fail. Even with all the tough talk on ending entitlements etc, it would be far too unpopular to let what many consider to be an icon of Australia to fall into a heap.
I can't see it being allowed go fail completely for those reasons, but I can certainly see it withering away over a period of time. That is, a slow but sure loss of international market share (already pretty much happened) and then a gradual loss of domestic market share as well.

Whilst it's only a minor part of the market, I do see Qantas' pulling out of Tasmania as a significant event. The Australian "national" airline no longer flies under its' own name to every Australian state. I suspect that in due course this will come to be seen as a turning point amongst many others.

Slowly but surely, they could well end up being nothing more than a transport service between mainland capital cities and that's it. Even amongst those routes, I do wonder how profitable Adelaide and Canberra are when compared to the Brisbane - Sydney - Melbourne routes?

If Qantas keeps going the way it is, then slowly but surely I expect we'll see them flying to fewer destinations both international and domestic. At some point, they could well end up small enough that an outright collapse would cease to be a major national issue as such. With a domestic market share somewhere around 60% for Qantas mainline they are "too big to fail" but that changes if market share drops to 50, 40, 30, 20% over the coming years and Virgin ends up as the largest operator.
 
Hi, Everyone sounds very bearish on this stock.

But here are some of the positives -
- 2 billion of cost reduction coming out
- reducing Capex and dropping unprofitable routes
- the new codeshare agreement with Bangkok airways
- Starting of new regional routes
- alliance with Emirate Airways
- last but not least 36% reduction in Joyce pay cut

Will this improve the next quarter results ?

Just wanted to know the future potential of this stock for next 3-6 months.
Is there going to be any upside on this stock?
 
They are making changes to how you earn points in the air. It affects me as I only fly discount economy or economy so I end up earning much less points than before on the same leg of travel. They say it is a fairer program, I say it is the greater majority who fly economy who will earn less points and will have to wait much longer for that classic award fare. Getting the points use to sway me to fly Qantas previously, with these cuts I am better off flying with others now.

Full story at this link: http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/fairer-flying

And calculator here: https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/do/dyns/initialPointsEarned
 

I mentioned this upthread, but I switched to American Airlines AAdvantage years ago. Much, much better.
 
This current management have done a good job at eroding the brand value.

For what it's worth, regarding mention of the newly renovated Bourke St office, I understand this building is leased from Cromwell Property Group (CMW) (which I hold in the SMSF). Qantas claim they are saving money due to the energy efficiency of the refurbishment.
 

And what are Cromwell claiming the advantage is for them?
Love to know how long it is until this 'energy claim' is paid back. The company won't be around in 10 years at this rate in order to save energy.
 
And what are Cromwell claiming the advantage is for them?
Love to know how long it is until this 'energy claim' is paid back. The company won't be around in 10 years at this rate in order to save energy.

For what it's worth, here is the spiel from Cromwell's marketing:

http://www.cromwell.com.au/_uploads/documents/CMW_Corporate_Profile_Dec_2013.pdf
 
Ken Cowley had an interesting view on Joyce in the Weekend AFR...


And this corker about Lachlan Murdoch...
“I like Lachlan,” Cowley says. “He’s a nice man but he’s not a great businessman. He’s not a big and good decision-maker in my opinion.”

I think he might be off the Christmas card list. I notice he's already denying he made those comments.
 
What are peoples thoughts of QAN technically?
Double bottom, trading above 30EMA weekly.
 
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