I totally agree with you.
Some people become alcoholics, should we ban/regulate alcohol for everyone?
Speed cameras, red light cameras, school zones etc.Some people drive cars recklessly and kill people, should we ban/regulate cars?
I'm pretty sure the drugs you take are regulated by your GP/doctor, who is required by law to do so.Some people abuse prescribed drugs, should prescribed drugs be banned/regulated?
The country that they're visiting regulates this.Some Australians behave like total morons overseas, should we ban/regulate who can go overseas?
For Gods sake, people should take responsibility for themselves and stop blaming others or machines. Boo hoo the machine made me do it, grow up.
I don't disagree with you at all with regard to Australians' attitude to gambling (though I do hate generalising about a whole population).I beg to differ, Julia:
The modern pokies are not simply "machines"; they're programmed to exploit people's desire for a better life. They're programmed to sell dreams - and take the sucker for every dollar he or she spends. And when today's money is gone, they (implicitly) say "come back tomorrow for another big chance!"
Being able to compare different countries' "cultures", I can categorically state that Australian's attitude to gambling is the most unhealthy and overpowering. Whether it's horses, scratchies, pokies - take your pick: The fact that it's always the little bloke gets fleeced and the shark taking the loot is well recognised, yet the little bloke still believes he's as "smart" as anybody and can beat the odds. Sadly, he doesn't even know what the odds are, and if you try and explain to him basic statistics, he'll switch off and tell you about a mate who knew somebody whose friend's mother-in-law won fifty Grand on a $2 scratchie - so you're wrong and take your statistics and shove it...
"if it's the machine that is the problem, why does not everyone using them recreationally become addicted?"
Saiter: you make a good point about the reality of addiction. But removing the machines or access to them is not going to fundamentally address the reasons for the addiction. Julia
In the broader picture alcohol, tobacco, gambling, pornography, other drugs of addiction can also enslave people.
At some stage the question is raised as to the damage these addictions will cause individuals and the rest of society.
No generalisation intended, JuliaI don't disagree with you at all with regard to Australians' attitude to gambling (though I do hate generalising about a whole population).
However, you haven't at all addressed the point I was making which is:
"if it's the machine that is the problem, why does not everyone using them recreationally become addicted?".
Doesn't work, we have far too much alcohol related violence in Australia, we see it on the news every night. I can drive into a bottle shop any day of the week and buy unlimited amounts of alcohol any time, so much for RSA.Ever heard of an RSA?
Speed cameras, red light cameras, school zones etc.
As I said people still abuse them, they take double/triple doses or use them to make their own cocktails. The Doctor prescribes them to be used as directed, the patient might have different ideas altogether.I'm pretty sure the drugs you take are regulated by your GP/doctor, who is required by law to do so.
That's nonsense and you know it. If you don't have a criminal record in Australia then you can travel anywhere you like. I am absolutely disgusted with the way some of my countrymen behave overseas, so much so I don't even want it to be known where I come from.The country that they're visiting regulates this.
No "tough guy" here, I love everybody and belittle no one. What I get really upset about is more government intervention on my life. I gamble, I play the pokies once in a while, I bet on the horses. Why should I have any restrictions placed on me because of the few that can't control themselves? I am not an addict and it is my money after all and I have every right to enjoy it the way I want without any government interference.Eh. I don't care much for this attitude. It's the same "tough guy" attitude that people use when they're trying to belittle those suffering from depression. The fact is, addiction, whether it be to drugs or pokies, is a serious issue that is recognised by health professionals. Addicts don't have the willpower to stop playing all of a sudden - if they did, they wouldn't be addicted.
Pokies are ok for recreation, but the industry doesn't make their money from the recreational player they make it from the addict.
If it was just recreational players there would be far less of them but no, they're everywhere.
They are aimed at people who will get hooked , thats their business model, charming isn't it.
If you doubt me take a stroll through Crown one day, take a packed lunch as it's a long walk from one end of the gaming room to the other, you will not see so many sad faces anywhere else in town.
Suck up the profits Crown shareholders and sleep well on the ruinied lives of your victims.
Cant stop it now, no one gets between the big end of town and a dollar.
I've known plenty of addicts/ depression sufferersEh. I don't care much for this attitude. It's the same "tough guy" attitude that people use when they're trying to belittle those suffering from depression. The fact is, addiction, whether it be to drugs or pokies, is a serious issue that is recognised by health professionals. Addicts don't have the willpower to stop playing all of a sudden - if they did, they wouldn't be addicted.
Yes. In this case, it's not the drug that is of itself the problem, but rather the behaviour and psychological traits of the user.As I said people still abuse them, they take double/triple doses or use them to make their own cocktails. The Doctor prescribes them to be used as directed, the patient might have different ideas altogether.
This is the whole point of my objection also. People need to be encouraged to take responsibility for making their own decisions. The more governments interfere in the personal choices of individuals the more likely it is we will have a nation of zombies, no longer able to think for themselves because they have become accustomed to having their decisions made for them.. What I get really upset about is more government intervention on my life.
I'm as much for "small government" as anybody; but IMHO there is a wide gulf between regulating every citizen's life and the open slather of laissez-faire, which permits exploitation of the weak and endangers large sections of the Public.
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No one's going to stop people gambling but the expoitation of a human weakness needs to be limited.
If you're going to carry that philosophy to its logical conclusion you would have to ban all advertising. It exploits the weak and endangers large sections of the public.I'm as much for "small government" as anybody; but IMHO there is a wide gulf between regulating every citizen's life and the open slather of laissez-faire, which permits exploitation of the weak and endangers large sections of the Public.
Agree entirely that we must have appropriate and enforceable laws for traffic whether on land or water.If speedboats, jetskis and similar pleasure craft ruin lives, we're taking a far more serious view on the needless damage: One person's recreational enjoyment is no excuse for a swimmer's or cayaker's death or injury. Hence nobody can argue for unrestricted use of waterways.
No drinking in public places? You want to close down bars and restaurants?Pokies, on the other hand, do not serve any useful purpose other than moving coins from the poor to the wealthy. Their "recreational" use is on a par with marijuana, coke, or other "recreational" drugs. Yes, include alcohol and tobacco as well.
One solution: Regulate the sale of slot machines the way liquor stores are regulated. No drinking, smoking, snorting, gambling in public places; but what people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of Gov'mint's business.
I didn't mention education. There's more than enough 'education' out there already. Addiction is a whole different matter.As far as education and psychological assistance of those who need protection is concerned, that MIGHT work as an alternative solution.
I have, Julia;I wonder how many of you have actually had close associations with addicts of any kind. I suspect very few.
If you're going to carry that philosophy to its logical conclusion you would have to ban all advertising. It exploits the weak and endangers large sections of the public.
Good heavens, Burnsie, haven't I already made it clear that I regard them as mind numbingly boring? I only know what they even look like because for a while I was facilitating a support group for addicts which was held at the local RSL and to get to our meeting room I had to go through the den of noise and flashing lights, the unpleasantness of which was only exceeded by the smell of stale beer.Something tells me you enjoy the pokies Julia
Good heavens, Burnsie, haven't I already made it clear .
No, just sticking up for the right of the individual to choose how they spend their own money.Sorry Julia I should have read more I tend to skim over posts I had the impression you were sticking up for them (pokies).
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