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Rough_Trade said:All we need now is global warming to change our weather patterns & rising sea levels to wipe out our beaches & we're screwed.
Rough_Trade said:The main benefits of living in Perth were-
1. Cheap housing
2. Good weather
3. Great beaches
All we need now is global warming to change our weather patterns & rising sea levels to wipe out our beaches & we're screwed.
wayneL said:utterly, totally, profoundly, insane!
wayneL said:I rent a nice house in one of the better parts of gero, with a sea view, for what amounts to amounts a 2.2% nett yield for the owner.... and that is on last years valuation.
Yep prices have moved up here, but I also know what happens here sans a boom.
I will also be bidding this place "adieu" very shortly. I prefer to live somewhere where conversation occaionally diverts from footy and the value of their F^%$ing house.
wayneL said:I rent a nice house in one of the better parts of gero, with a sea view, for what amounts to amounts a 2.2% nett yield for the owner.... and that is on last years valuation.
Yep prices have moved up here, but I also know what happens here sans a boom.
I will also be bidding this place "adieu" very shortly. I prefer to live somewhere where conversation occaionally diverts from footy and the value of their F^%$ing house.
Smurf1976 said:The big risk I see with WA property is that.....
Smurf1976 said:The way I see it, either Perth falls or Sydney is about to boom. Now, the NSW economy is officially in recession based on ANZ stats (as is Tasmania) which makes a boom there seem somewhat unlikely in the immediate future...
Top Notch post. All true.Smurf1976 said:According to the ABC news, the ACT has now joined in the great house price slide. Only 1% so far, but that's how falls generally start...
The most significant point however being that if Adelaide, Brisbane, Hobart and Melbourne are going nowhere whilst Sydney and Canberra are falling, and all of them seem likely to be cheaper than Perth by the end of the year, then there's no longer an economic incentive to relocate to Perth for anyone with moderate levels of assets.
It becomes a place either for the rich who simply aren't concerned about hosue prices or those starting out with nothing looking to make a quick $. But once they've made some money, they can buy a house far cheaper practically anywhere other than Perth.
I challenge anyone to convince me that a house in Perth is really worth nearly TWICE as much as a similar house in Adelaide and more than one in Brisbane, Melbourne, Canberra or Hobart. Or any regional centre. What, exactly, does Perth have that none of these other cities has?
Want hot weather? Brisbane is warmer than Perth (official stats).
Want cold weather? Try Hobart or Canberra.
Want it dry? Adelaide, Hobart, Melbourne and Canberra all get less rain than Perth.
Snow? Melbourne and Canberra are by far the closest to snow suitable for skiing.
Nightlife? Melbourne has more capacity in nightclubs, per head of population, than practically anywhere. And there's always Sydney.
Major live shows? Sydney and Melbourne head the list for that one.
Professional sport? Melbourne would seem to be a winner on this one.
Natural environment? Hobart is the obvious winner if you like the bush.
Man-made attractions? Brisbane is by far the closest of the state capitals to the action on the Gold Coast whilst Sydney and Melbourne offer by far the largest city environment with its inherent attractions.
Prestige? It would be hard to argue with Sydney on this one.
Liveable city environment without the traffic jams and pollution? Adelaide and Hobart come immediately to mind for this one.
Wine? Adelaide.
"Clean and Green"? The term was invented in Tasmania.
Actual scarcity of land? Even Hobart is more geographically constrained than Perth. As for Sydney...
Plenty of water? Hobart is the only state capital without an actual shortage.
Cheap electricity? The very underpinning of virtually the entire Tasmanian economic strategy since World War 1 and more recently an approach taken in Victoria and now Queensland. WA's power being amongst the most expensive in the country.
Cheap gas? Perth.
Don't get me wrong on this one, I have nothing against Perth as a city or WA in general. But I just don't see that there is anything other than a speculative boom to justify Perth house prices being the highest in the nation.
No doubt many people like living there just as they like living in Adelaide, Hobart or the middle of nowhere. But that doesn't justify such high prices and it's not at all obvious as to what does.
As for the minerals, Darwin is the city closest to major natural gas production, not perth. Indeed there's an LNG plant in Darwin itself. Adelaide isn't too far from a truly massive mine of world renown. Melbourne is 2 hours drive from the world's largest brown coal deposits, a potential source of liquid fuels which dwarfs the oil in Saudi Arabia.
As I said, there's nothing "wrong" with Perth. Like any city it has it's good points. But I don't follow the argument that land there is so much more valuable than land in Adelaide, Brisbane, Canberra or Melbourne (or soon Sydney). Looks like a bubble to me - perhaps that cheap gas is being used to inflate it...
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