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PDN - Paladin Energy

Re: PDN - Paladin Resources

Well, from the chart looks like the upward trend has formed...... I sold my first trench around 8.10..... should have wait for another day for the 8% gain..... Well, looking for the stock to go to 9.50 before I off load...... Anyone got any technical thought??

Well batton down the hatches, it looks like it could be a rough ride in the US markets tonight. With our market down today around 120, and the very real possibility of it dropping further tommorrow, normally I would salute PDN as it's ship usually sinks with the rest of the market.

But there appears to be some real positives. PDN has only moved marginally lower today with LOW volume, a very good sign. Also the U price continues to rise. As stated in the following article, PDN's "share price has found solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A)"

Have a read of the following article, it's inspiring......Keep the faith!

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Uranium Heating Up Again, Says Wizard
FN Arena News - November 05 2007

Just like many other market watchers, the Tech Wizard had been underestimating the technical correction that commenced in June this year and nearly halved the spot price of uranium oxide (U3O8) in a time span of 16 weeks only.

However, weekly spot prices set by industry consultants TradeTech and Ux Consulting have risen again over the past few weeks and the Wizard’s own investigation in the industry has provided him with enough confidence to predict that spot U3O8 will soon surpass the price of a barrel of crude oil again.

Moreover, the Tech Wizard believes we could be talking a spot price of US$100+/lb before the end of this month -under a best case scenario- but most certainly before the end of December. His personal contacts inside the global professional investment community have ensured him hot money is looking at re-entering the sector again, with confidence currently riding high that uranium will regain its hot spot status in the market soon.

To his personal observation confidence amongst professional speculators in the industry hasn’t been this high for months. This strengthens his conviction in retaining a positive bias towards Australian uranium stocks.

Adding to what he believes is the best looking prospect for uranium prices and share prices of uranium stocks since the technical correction commenced in late June is the fact that Canadian market leader Cameco has again further delayed the opening of its flagship Cigar Lake mine. This mine should be supplying the global market with some 10% extra product, but Cameco management last week pushed the projected ramp up date into 2011. Originally, the mine was scheduled to commence production this calendar year already.

This suggests the market is likely to remain undersupplied for longer than currently penciled in by most securities analysts, he says.

The Tech Wizard notes how industry experts have doubted Cameco management’s earlier statements that production would only be delayed by twelve months only. Later that statement had been revised into a projected start up date sometime in 2010-2011. Since last week the market has become aware that Cigar Lake won’t be supplying any yellow cake into the market until at least 2011.

Looking at Australia’s two leading producers from a technical perspective, the Tech Wizard observes that both share prices of Energy Resources of Australia (ERA) and Paladin Resources ((PDN)) have found support at their 20 moving averages (M/A) since the correction began in June.

This is a good sign, he says.

ERA’s share price has bounced back since sinking below $15 and subsequently finding support at the 20 moving average (M/A), the Tech Wizard says.

He says the MACD indicator is bullish and this supports his positive view.

For Paladin the prospects look even better, he says. After topping out above $10 the shares have fallen 50% to bottom out below $5. As said above, after this the share price found solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A), the Wizard says, and this month his chart shows a bullish breakaway gap.

If by the end of November this gap is still in place this would be a very bullish sign for Paladin shares, says the Wizard, as this would indicate there is strong support for the stock at this price level.

Again, the MACD indicator is bullish and this adds to his positive view.

The Tech Wizard currently owns no shares in any of the companies mentioned in this story.
 
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Well batton down the hatches, it looks like it could be a rough ride in the US markets tonight. With our market down today around 120, and the very real possibility of it dropping further tommorrow, normally I would salute PDN as it's ship usually sinks with the rest of the market.

But there appears to be some real positives. PDN has only moved marginally lower today with LOW volume, a very good sign. Also the U price continues to rise. As stated in the following article, PDN's "share price has found solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A)"

Have a read of the following article, it's inspiring......Keep the faith!

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Uranium Heating Up Again, Says Wizard
FN Arena News - November 05 2007

Just like many other market watchers, the Tech Wizard had been underestimating the technical correction that commenced in June this year and nearly halved the spot price of uranium oxide (U3O8) in a time span of 16 weeks only.

However, weekly spot prices set by industry consultants TradeTech and Ux Consulting have risen again over the past few weeks and the Wizard’s own investigation in the industry has provided him with enough confidence to predict that spot U3O8 will soon surpass the price of a barrel of crude oil again.

Moreover, the Tech Wizard believes we could be talking a spot price of US$100+/lb before the end of this month -under a best case scenario- but most certainly before the end of December. His personal contacts inside the global professional investment community have ensured him hot money is looking at re-entering the sector again, with confidence currently riding high that uranium will regain its hot spot status in the market soon.

To his personal observation confidence amongst professional speculators in the industry hasn’t been this high for months. This strengthens his conviction in retaining a positive bias towards Australian uranium stocks.

Adding to what he believes is the best looking prospect for uranium prices and share prices of uranium stocks since the technical correction commenced in late June is the fact that Canadian market leader Cameco has again further delayed the opening of its flagship Cigar Lake mine. This mine should be supplying the global market with some 10% extra product, but Cameco management last week pushed the projected ramp up date into 2011. Originally, the mine was scheduled to commence production this calendar year already.

This suggests the market is likely to remain undersupplied for longer than currently penciled in by most securities analysts, he says.

The Tech Wizard notes how industry experts have doubted Cameco management’s earlier statements that production would only be delayed by twelve months only. Later that statement had been revised into a projected start up date sometime in 2010-2011. Since last week the market has become aware that Cigar Lake won’t be supplying any yellow cake into the market until at least 2011.

Looking at Australia’s two leading producers from a technical perspective, the Tech Wizard observes that both share prices of Energy Resources of Australia (ERA) and Paladin Resources ((PDN)) have found support at their 20 moving averages (M/A) since the correction began in June.

This is a good sign, he says.

ERA’s share price has bounced back since sinking below $15 and subsequently finding support at the 20 moving average (M/A), the Tech Wizard says.

He says the MACD indicator is bullish and this supports his positive view.

For Paladin the prospects look even better, he says. After topping out above $10 the shares have fallen 50% to bottom out below $5. As said above, after this the share price found solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A), the Wizard says, and this month his chart shows a bullish breakaway gap.

If by the end of November this gap is still in place this would be a very bullish sign for Paladin shares, says the Wizard, as this would indicate there is strong support for the stock at this price level.

Again, the MACD indicator is bullish and this adds to his positive view.

The Tech Wizard currently owns no shares in any of the companies mentioned in this story.

I own PDN and I am wondering at what price level is "the solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A)" ?
 
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I own PDN and I am wondering at what price level is "the solid support at the 20 moving average (M/A)" ?

Fab

I believe it's somewhere between $6.50 and $7.00 - 20 moving average (M/A)

eMark

adding text cos msg is too short
 
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PDN.TSX Nov 05 2007

Down...but on very low volume.

Last Trade: 7.17
Trade Time: 3:59PM ET
Change: -0.18 (2.45%)
Prev Close: 7.35
Open: 7.35
Bid: 7.15
Ask: 7.17

Day's Range: 7.12 - 7.35
52wk Range: 4.52 - 9.99
Volume: 1,022,086
Avg Vol (3m): 3,695,130

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U3O8 Spot Price Continues To Rise
FN Arena News - November 06 2007

By Rudi Filapek-Vandyck


Confidence is rising among sellers of uranium oxide (U3O8) that prices will move up and will continue doing so in the times ahead. This is not our personal assessment but the view from industry consultant TradeTech as expressed in its latest weekly update on the uranium sector.


TradeTech has picked up from the market place that speculators are moving back in and sellers have become reluctant to commit to any offers received as they have the impression that waiting a little while can do wonders for the price achieved for their product.


TradeTech puts it as follows: “The majority of sellers expect spot uranium prices to strengthen over the next few months, and as a result, are very hesitant to commit to sales at this time.”


It is because of this reason that TradeTech has decided to add another US$3 to its weekly spot price indicator to take it to US$93 per pound on Friday. Last week the consultant raised its price indicator to US$90 from US$84 the prior week.


Ux Consulting, the other sector consultant who sets a weekly spot price indicator, raised by US$5 to US$85/lb last week.


This week TradeTech’s judgement, on the basis of information received from buyers and sellers in the market place, is that it will require a price above last week’s benchmark of US$90 to successfully conclude a transaction.


No transactions were recorded in the long term market and this explains why the long term price indicator has remained unchanged at US$95/lb.
 
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I'm not sure if this is old news, but PDN seem to be having some real trouble with their production rate.

Paladin slugged by output woes

Kevin Andrusiak | November 07, 2007

PALADIN boss John Borshoff says his company is not planning any more third-party uranium purchases, after it took a $13 million hit in the September quarter selling 150,000 pounds of yellowcake to fulfil supply contracts it could not meet with production from its Langer Heinrich mine in northern Namibia.

Paladin's third-quarter accounts reveal the company had disposed of nearly 90 per cent of uranium it purchased during the June quarter to cover production shortfalls at Langer Heinrich and bought when the spot price was at record highs.

Paladin bought 250,000 pounds of uranium at around $US133 a pound in June at a time of a global shortfall of yellowcake, while its recent quarterly accounts show that 215,000 pounds were offloaded since then with the bulk sold in the three months to the end of September.

Is up 3.5% on the TSX though, so mustn't be all bad. Perhaps U spot appreciation is giving a hand.

Looks to be heading back up here, with $9.00 ish providing some resistance.
 

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Looks to be heading back up here, with $9.00 ish providing some resistance.

Spot Uranium On The Move As Sellers Turned Smarter
FN Arena News - November 07 2007

By Rudi Filapek-Vandyck

The weekly spot price for uranium oxide, or U3O8 for the aficionados, has now risen US$19 in four weeks. Considering this has taken the spot price from US$75 per pound to US$93 per pound –a gain of 24%- there can be little dispute the label “impressive” applies once again.

That is if one uses TradeTech’s assessments as a guidance. The other industry consultant that sets its own weekly spot price indicator, Ux Consulting, only increased its benchmark price to US$90 per pound this time, up US$5 from the previous week. Ever since spot uranium has bounced from its lows at US$75 per pound last month UxC’s price setting has been lagging TradeTech’s, but one should probably not draw too many conclusions from this. Earlier this year the roles were simply reversed.

But even on UxC’s numbers the rapid price recovery -20% in four weeks only- still easily deserves the tag “impressive”.

And one only has to look at today’s share prices of uranium stocks in the Australian share market to conclude that investor interest in the sector has truly returned. Shares of Paladin Resources (PDN) moved beyond $9 again today while Energy Resources of Australia ((ERA)) did even better: up more than 5% to $24.79 at around one hour before the closing bell on Wednesday.

Both consultants have left their long term price indicators unchanged at US$95 per pound since early calendar 2007.

And similar to this time around last year, Cameco’s Cigar Lake project features once again prominently in the global rumour mill that links miners and utilities with investors and speculators. UxC reports this week some of these speculators suspect that even Cameco’s latest assessment that first production from Cigar Lake may not happen until 2011 may still prove to be too optimistic. Apparently, some experts believe it is safer to assume a date sometime in 2012-2014.

UxC does mention that even though its weekly spot price indicator rose by US$5 for the second week in a row, the industry is awash with reports about “much higher offer prices”. This obviously feeds expectations of further price rises in the near future.

The consultant points out a few offers are currently under evaluation by some sellers and it can therefore be expected that the spot U3O8 will be up another notch or two (three?) once the results will be made public.

But probably the most interesting observation in this week’s report on the industry is the fact that UxC believes sellers of uranium have changed their attitude in order to avoid the price excesses that captivated the industry until June this year.

Instead of offering as much as possible and aiming to achieve a price above the spot price for it, sellers of uranium are offering smaller lots these days to prevent things getting out of hand once again, while still benefiting from tight market circumstances.

The general idea seems to be that by cutting the lots of uranium into smaller pieces one can still benefit from rising prices without trying to achieve it all in one go.

It is easy to see why some market experts believe uranium prices are once again on an upward path.
 
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Ok...

Not a lot of contribution to PDN over the last couple of days. This post is simply therapy for me. PDN moved into the $9.00 range yesterday....and there was no comment? I was pleased. Almost.....sold too! But didn't.....Now I see the DOW has had another 360 point loss.....ouch! PDN will take a hit today, but I will be pleased if it finds support in the 8.00 range. U has support again, and PDN is once again strong. Bring it on I say, let this be a test for PDN today!

Oh yeah! Also last nights DECEMBER FUTURES for Uranium went up another whopping $12.00, to finish at ***$110.00*** I see todays inevitable fall as a blip.

Even PDN.TSX only had a minor fall overnight.............Keep the faith!

Last Trade: 7.28
Trade Time: 3:59PM ET
Change: -0.14 (2.02%)
Prev Close: 7.42
Open: 7.63
Bid: 7.26
Ask: 7.28
 
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Ok...

Not a lot of contribution to PDN over the last couple of days. This post is simply therapy for me. PDN moved into the $9.00 range yesterday....and there was no comment? I was pleased. Almost.....sold too! But didn't.....Now I see the DOW has had another 360 point loss.....ouch! PDN will take a hit today, but I will be pleased if it finds support in the 8.00 range. U has support again, and PDN is once again strong. Bring it on I say, let this be a test for PDN today!

Oh yeah! Also last nights DECEMBER FUTURES for Uranium went up another whopping $12.00, to finish at ***$110.00*** I see todays inevitable fall as a blip.

Even PDN.TSX only had a minor fall overnight.............Keep the faith!

Last Trade: 7.28
Trade Time: 3:59PM ET
Change: -0.14 (2.02%)
Prev Close: 7.42
Open: 7.63
Bid: 7.26
Ask: 7.28

Therapy is a good thing. I followed it all the way down - in fact I was well over my head. The last week or so was a breath of fresh air and I finally sold out totally yesterday. Phew! I'll re-enter if it falls below $8. No hard feelings though, I had a good ride with PDN :D
 
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I got into PDN yesterday at 8.96, but I only got to buy a couple hundred shares at that price, so the buy went unfilled...thankfully...saw the market this AM and couldnt understand and initially thought it was just some players making pre-market moves, but it didnt look right, so I modified the buy price down. The rest filled this AM for av price 8.58, I see some early support in the mid-8's so not distressed.
 
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Another therapeutic post.

Ok, here are the facts (well as factual as I have access to them)

The DOW has finished the week off at...

13,042.74 -223.55 -1.69%

Can you believe we are at 13000 again? We'll probably go even lower.

TSX.PDN finished unchanged (nice effort considering...)

Last Trade: 7.20
Trade Time: 4:00PM ET
Change: 0.00 (0.00%)
Prev Close: 7.20
Open: 7.29
Bid: 7.16
Ask: 7.20

ASX.PDN finished the week off at...

Last Trade: 8.780 AUD
Trade Time: Nov 9
Change: 0.380 (4.52%)
Prev Close: 8.400
Open: 8.600
Bid: 8.730
Ask: 8.780

Now that's past history, as I can see PDN.ASX Monday closing around the 8.20-8.40 range. Also the All Ords probably losing another 100 points or so to finish in the 6500 range.

Now what's the point of this post? Well the last time the DOW was at around 13000, the ALL ORDS was around 6200, so we're still ahead. But also when you look at PDN TSX & ASX, to where they're now, compared to where they were last time the DOW was around 13000, it's pretty impressive.

Now I know the DOW is not the be all and end all, but the last time the DOW hit 13000, TSX.PDN was around 5.45, it's now 7.20, and ASX.PDN was around 6.10 (and as I mentioned before, even though it finished out at 8.78 on Friday, it will most likely come back to around 8.20 on Monday, hope I'm wrong:D). But the point is on average the difference is about $2.00! That's actually pretty good.

It's stands well to move even further upwards once volatility in the general markets calms down:confused:) Or maybe it will do that anyway. I feel another U price rise next week.

The reason for this post I guess is that I could have offloaded all of PDN recently at breakeven, and it's like a kick in the head when she back tracks 40-50c when the DOW farts. But as I said, when things do settle down, I believe nothing will hold PDN back. I'm don't want to be saying geez, I wish I hadn't sold at break even, and now it's $10.00 or something...
 
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The reason for this post I guess is that I could have offloaded all of PDN recently at breakeven, and it's like a kick in the head when she back tracks 40-50c when the DOW farts. But as I said, when things do settle down, I believe nothing will hold PDN back. I'm don't want to be saying geez, I wish I hadn't sold at break even, and now it's $10.00 or something...

eMark
Uranium prices have stabilised, and moved to the upside again.
With less uranium coming onto the market than anticipated over the next few years the probability of former highs being exceeded in the medium term are better.
 
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I agree rederob and I'm pretty sure others would too.

I was wondering if you had held your parcel through the last correction having bought your last lot I think around 8.50 from memory. I certainly did and sure am glad PDN has recovered to where it is now.

Cheers

MB
 
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eMark
Uranium prices have stabilised, and moved to the upside again.
With less uranium coming onto the market than anticipated over the next few years the probability of former highs being exceeded in the medium term are better.

Hello prawn.
The odds I gave were based on present betting prices available to any online punter - Labor is a 74% bet.
Accordingly, the likelihood of Rudd being the next PM on the basis of those quoted figures are very good: The fact that just about every poll since Rudd was elected Labor leader gives a similar outcome validates the betting odds.
In relation to uranium being a better bet, the past 5 years data available at Kitco for base metals shows that in 100% of cases where a metal is in strong demand, initial highs that were blown off subsequently retraced to even greater highs. Readers can test this by visiting kitco.com and bringing up their charts - in the case of nickel, prices more than doubled the previous record high'
The probability of uranium (which is a metal in strong demand and short supply) replicating these general trends is exceptionally high.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it.
As I said in the original post, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

By the way prawn, the maths behind probabilities is beyond the average reader, so asking for justifications would pander to a very select few. That said, a posteriori probabilities of stock price determination suggests a dart board or random walk could give as good an outcome. An excellent long term study was conducted to prove this:
http://www.bnains.org/backtest/conseils/cowles44/cowles44.htm
While that was a long time ago, little has changed since.
So any post, no matter how well justified, is likely to fall prey to the vagaries of the market.


Moneybags
I have accumulated 9k PDN at an average entry price a shade under $7.
I do not expect PDN to hit its straps for several years, as by then it should have additional production ramped up.
 
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Once again Rob, i will ask directly.

Please refrain from posting exact odds on the movement of stocks. It is against ASF and ASIC guidelines, which can be found here:

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/help/posting-guidelines/

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/help/terms

I do not have a problem with you stating,
the probability of former highs being exceeded in the medium term are better.

However your statement,
it's like shooting fish in a barrel
is virtually ramping and in future will be removed, as i believe you have been warned by the other moderators.

However posting specific % figures infers that you are a licenced financial advisor. If you are can you please inform me and i will defer to the higher powers, however if not, specific odds should not be posted and wil continue to be moderated against.

If you have any further queries PM me so as ot to defer this thread any more.

I too think PDN has a bright mid to long term future, especially once the teething problems at their mine is sorted out and full production can be acheived.
 
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URANIUM UP AGAIN TO $93 PER POUND:)

http://communities.canada.com/natio...her-strength-as-prices-climb-above-us-90.aspx

FP Trading Desk
Uranium shows signs of further strength as prices climb above US$90
Uranium prices continue to rise with both of the major market monitors of the nuclear fuel raising their price indicators recently.

Ux Consulting hiked its price by US$3 to US$93 per pound this week, citing more activity in the market. The firm expects prices will climb as offers were being reported above this level. TradeTech moved up US$5 to US$90.

Uranium hit an all-time high of US$136 at the end of June, but subsequently fell to US$75. Spot prices were as low as US$7 per pound in 2000.

UxC has a bullish view on the market, noting that bad news seems to dominate positive developments these days, RBC Capital Markets analyst Adam Schatzker told clients in a note.

Some of this bad news includes a shortage of sulphuric acid in Kazakhstan, which is used for in situ recovery projects. This is leading to production cuts by companies like Uranium One Inc.

Cameco Corp. pushed back the date it expects the Cigar Lake mine to come on line and now sees this happening sometime between 2011 and 2014.

Meanwhile, a deal between the U.S. and Russia to buy uranium from dismantled Russian nuclear weapons expires in 2013. Given that the market isn’t exactly awash in inventories, this development could provide support for the high prices required to encourage exploration and project development, Mr. Schatzker said. Russia also recently asked for prices paid by Cameco to again be renegotiated in order to reflect higher spot prices.

Given the recent US$15 rise for uranium, the analyst says it is showing signs of strength in the near term. RBC forecasts spot prices will continue to strengthen, potentially hitting US$100 per pound by the end of the year.

Jonathan Ratner
 
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eMark
Thanks for your pm.
A fortnight ago PDN broke out of a downtrend in place since April this year.
After hitting $10.80 back then PDN went into decline and fell into the low $5 range just a few months ago, as other equities became more attractive.
With uranium markets typically stronger in the latter part of a calendar year (northern winter) the price momentum, as evidenced from the previous post, is firm (although not as frenetic as earlier in the year).
PDN's worst is behind it unless it hits another production glitch: The company presumptuously forward sold metal it anticipated mining, but ended up going back to the spot market to cover itself, when uranium prices peaked - not clever.
PDN's daily market volumes suggest steady accumulation is occurring.
Accordingly, its probable retrace to former highs is unlikely to gather any serious pace unless uranium prices again spike up.
I have a re-entry bid at $7.50 to give myself a rounded 10K holding.
If it does not get that low in the near term, I am patient enough to hold off buying until the next significant retrace.
 
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I have been waiting patiently for her to get back down to the $7's in a Wave2 before rejoining the fray... might not be too far off??
Cheers
..........Kauri
 

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I have been waiting patiently for her to get back down to the $7's in a Wave2 before rejoining the fray... might not be too far off??
Cheers
..........Kauri

Hi Kauri. From your analysis point of view, where are you looking at getting in? Or more to the point, where can you see wave 2 finishing? (7.22?) Where can you see it going from there?

At least PDN is still trading above it's 20 day MACD.

I own PDN at it's recent venture into the 8 range. No I didn't sell.
 
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Who has any idea where PDN will be in 5-10 years?
Is it a solid company or is it just gonna hover around 5-15 dollars and never grow..?
When will they start making actual profits rather than losses?
Will the price take off when that happens?
Will they ever profit?

Thanks to whoever attempts these questions.
 
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Hi Kauri. From your analysis point of view, where are you looking at getting in? Or more to the point, where can you see wave 2 finishing? (7.22?) Where can you see it going from there?

At least PDN is still trading above it's 20 day MACD.

I own PDN at it's recent venture into the 8 range. No I didn't sell.

Groan....Settling into the 7's again.... No rise in the U price, seems to have stole sentiment away pretty quickly with some of the U stocks this week. Let's hope it doesn't last too long? The neutral sentiment that is.

Upcoming election could be another reason?

Frustrating.
 
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