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So, there seems a grass roots movement is attempting to get up in the United States. Only sketchy news in the mainstream media at the moment - but, alot of alternative media outlets are reporting it. Seems to be disjointed at the moment - but, needs to organise properly.

My fave, Matt Taibbi is reporting it:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...wall-street-drawing-the-battle-lines-20110927

Attempt to repress the right to protest??
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7089

In addition, there were recent major protest sit-ins in Wisconsin - 700,000 consistently over a month or so.

What do you all think? Going to get worse?

Brad
 
BradK said:
So, there seems a grass roots movement is attempting to get up in the United States. Only sketchy news in the mainstream media at the moment - but, alot of alternative media outlets are reporting it. Seems to be disjointed at the moment - but, needs to organise properly.

My fave, Matt Taibbi is reporting it:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...wall-street-drawing-the-battle-lines-20110927

Attempt to repress the right to protest??
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7089

In addition, there were recent major protest sit-ins in Wisconsin - 700,000 consistently over a month or so.

What do you all think? Going to get worse?

Brad
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i did abit of scratching around on this one and it appears to be more 'mr soros' and his devious minions playing political games rather than a genuine grassroots movement...

i saw an independant reporter interviewing some of these clowns and their responses were pathetic, mostly just socialist/marxist radicals wanting to tear down capitalism rather than aiming their sights on the ppl who are responsible... the banking elite & the corrupt pollies!

they were even singing the praises of obama and how he would save them for gods sake! :2twocents

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/10/are-clueless-occupy-wall-street.html
 
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I don't know how main stream you consider the New York Times but this I read in it yesterday


http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protesters-on-brooklyn-bridge/?hp

700+ arrests; to suggest That this is some sort of Soros inspired Marxist rabble errs on disingenuous, either that or your taking off the spoon what Murdoch is happy to feed you.
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i wonder if you even bothered to check the link i posted before you left your retarded lil jibe?

if they had targeted the people responsible for the current economic crisis (the goldman sachs type parasite banking/financial corporations, the FED, the 'status quo' political system, political corruption etc instead of just chanting "down with capitalism" then they may have some credibility! as it is they come across as brainwashed, manipulated morons!
 
bandicoot76 said:
i wonder if you even bothered to check the link i posted before you left your retarded lil jibe?

if they had targeted the people responsible for the current economic crisis (the goldman sachs type parasite banking/financial corporations, the FED, the 'status quo' political system, political corruption etc instead of just chanting "down with capitalism" then they may have some credibility! as it is they come across as brainwashed, manipulated morons!
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It is sad though as not much action can be taken against such corporations regardless of what evidence you bring up unless perhaps you were sneaky enough to have obtained pertanent information relating to illeagal practices... When it comes down to it; protest on speculation and deduction is about all that can be done.
 
Protest headed for Canada (last night)

Wall St. protest movement headed for Canada

Toronto exchange targeted; 700 demonstrators arrested in New York

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Organizers of a protest slated to take place on Toronto's Bay St. this month say they're following in the footsteps of American activists who have stormed Wall St. in New York and other U.S. cities in protests against the global financial system.

Hundreds of people are expected to meet in the heart of Toronto's financial district, at Bay and King Sts., on Oct. 15 to prepare for a march two days later as the Toronto Stock Exchange opens that Monday.

Occupy Toronto organizers say they anticipate the protests will roll into the week as the Occupy Wall Street rally in New York enters its third week without any hints of slowing down.
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More on link above...
 
BradK said:
Probably the most offensive thing I have ever read on ASF
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apolagies to those who took offense to my comment, it was in response to the 'spoonfed by murdoch press' jibe aimed at me in the previous post which i took as an attack on my intelligence and took offense at. :mad:

i can only guess that you missread the statement taking "YOUR" to mean "YOU"... i was saying his jibe at me was retarded, it was not a personal attack!
 
bandicoot76 said:
i wonder if you even bothered to check the link i posted before you left your retarded lil jibe?
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I'm reeling But in part your right I didn't check it but you inspired me to. Koresh vox popped 6 people. from the comment chain.
News Media wants to make these weak-minded fools the "face" of the protest just to discredit the mob. Wouldn't you?
Or if your a struggling independent possably ingraceiate yourself with them
There were 700+arrests on the Brooklyn bridge , what was the total number of protesters. If any coherent ideas gel, it'll be around regulation

bandicoot76 said:
if they had targeted the people responsible for the current economic crisis (the goldman sachs type parasite banking/financial corporations, the FED, the 'status quo' political system, political corruption
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Regulation is what they fear, of the type that has been peeled back since the 70's, that will return us to that totalitarian communist period in America of the 50's and 60's . To which they reply, through their Lobbies: Cross us and We'll bury in our cash.
The only place politicians will grow any balls on this will come from numbers on the street. So in who's interest is it to off up Koresh's patsies.

Was that what rankled? Or was it the spoon feeding. I could be more succinct. On Soros, You're channelling Glenn Beck Check Jon Stewart The Manchurian Lunatic.
http://vodpod.com/watch/4945773-daily-show-glenn-beck-is-the-manchurian-lunatic

Soros is on board with a big step in the right direction a Tobin Tax
 
Boggo said:
The good ol' boy !
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LOL classic not that I think Obama is completely blameless but it has been fascinating watching the Republicans running the political conversation away from there own disasters.
 
orr said:
Was that what rankled? Or was it the spoon feeding. I could be more succinct. On Soros, You're channelling Glenn Beck Check Jon Stewart The Manchurian Lunatic.
http://vodpod.com/watch/4945773-daily-show-glenn-beck-is-the-manchurian-lunatic

Soros is on board with a big step in the right direction a Tobin Tax
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i view the whole event through libertarian/austrian economic coloured glasses, i have no love of any media organisation, murdoch or otherwise.... so of course your 'spoon fed' jibe was offensive to me and i considered it a retarded comment in the context of this thread.

it may surprise you that ron paul was also unhappy that the protests had been hijacked by marxist radicals and has tried to re-direct the protest to become "occupy the fed' so as to spearhead the movement towards the ppl & organisations it should be targeting:2twocents

as for soros, a favourite author & social commentator of mine, former canadian governor general john ralston saul, sums up my feelings towards the manipulative, behind-the-scenes power-broker when he stated: 'in times past george soros would have been hung as a pirate' ...in his awesome book 'voltaires bastards'... i would suggest you buy a copy it is very enlightening!

again i apolagise to those who were offended by my 'retarded' comment in hindsight the word 'pathetic' would have served a better purpose! :rolleyes:
 
bandicoot76 said:
i view the whole event through libertarian/austrian economic coloured glasses, i have no love of any media organisation, murdoch or otherwise.... so of course your 'spoon fed' jibe was offensive to me and i considered it a retarded comment in the context of this thread.

it may surprise you that ron paul was also unhappy that the protests had been hijacked by marxist radicals and has tried to re-direct the protest to become "occupy the fed' so as to spearhead the movement towards the ppl & organisations it should be targeting:2twocents

as for soros, a favourite author & social commentator of mine, former canadian governor general john ralston saul, sums up my feelings towards the manipulative, behind-the-scenes power-broker when he stated: 'in times past george soros would have been hung as a pirate' ...in his awesome book 'voltaires bastards'... i would suggest you buy a copy it is very enlightening!

again i apolagise to those who were offended by my 'retarded' comment in hindsight the word 'pathetic' would have served a better purpose! :rolleyes:
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I am curious about a couple of things here: First, it seems that John Ralston Saul was not a former Canadian governor general, but is the husband of Adrienne Clarkson who was Canadian governor general until 2005. For her part "Adrienne Clarkson continues to be a drain on the pocketbooks of Canadian taxpayers.

The former Governor General, known for her extravagant spending habits, has billed taxpayers more than $500,000 for secretarial help since leaving Rideau Hall in 2005. . . . .This is not the first time Clarkson has been questioned about her spending habits.

During her tenure as Governor General her budget increased from $11 million a year to $19 million and, in 2003, she enraged Canadians after going $4 million over budget on a northern country tour to promote Canadian culture.

Clarkson and husband John Ralston Saul are now co-chairs of the Institute for Canadian Citizenship, a Toronto-based non-profit organization that helps new Canadians enter mainstream life.

And, of course, she earns a sizable government pension estimated to be greater than $120,000 a year." http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cana...arkson-still-costing-taxpayers-165917954.html

Again, as you would no doubt expect, there are those whose enthusiasm for "Voltaire's Bastards" does not match your own. Indeed "It is therefore something of a disappointment to finally reach the end of this book and discover that he has very little in the way of practical solutions to offer for our current troubles. When I asked him about this in an interview, he replied, "I'm not in the business of suggesting solutions. I don't belong to the Platonic tradition, I belong to the Socratic tradition." . . . . I would be prepared to dismiss intellectual arrogance and historical inaccuracies as unimportant if I felt the overall purpose of this book were a more constructive one. As it stands, Voltaire's Bastards comes up short. It's an ironic assessment given that the book is, at 640 pages, maddeningly long." http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/saul.html
 
Again, as you would no doubt expect, there are those whose enthusiasm for "Voltaire's Bastards" does not match your own. Indeed "It is therefore something of a disappointment to finally reach the end of this book and discover that he has very little in the way of practical solutions to offer for our current troubles. When I asked him about this in an interview, he replied, "I'm not in the business of suggesting solutions. I don't belong to the Platonic tradition, I belong to the Socratic tradition." … I would be prepared to dismiss intellectual arrogance and historical inaccuracies as unimportant if I felt the overall purpose of this book were a more constructive one. As it stands, Voltaire's Bastards comes up short. It's an ironic assessment given that the book is, at 640 pages, maddeningly long." http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/saul.html[/QUOTE]

I haven't been back to it in the eight to ten years since I put it down, And I haven't suggested to anybody, Unlike the work of another Canadian J.K.Galbraith. But I underlined on pg. 17, back whenever, " Neither the public and corporate authorities nor experts are held responsible for their own actions..." at least that's pertinent to this thread.
There's more laughs and as much insight in Francis Wheen's "how mumbo jumbo conquered the world" , with out 400pgs of esoteric history
And from James Galbriath at the 5th Annual Dijon This Year, and it's good and relevant.
http://www.zcommunications.org/the-final-death-and-next-life-of-keynes-by-james-k-galbraith

Oh and Bandi, When your in a hole stop digging.
 
Bandicoot. Thanks for the apology.

Now back to business....

Interestingly, David Cameron had his ass kicked yesterday when he WAS going to encourage Britains to pay off their credit card and store cards ... however, the comment was pulled from the speech, and has been criticised all over the Guardian for his economic illiteracy. Here, Larry Elliot talks about Keynes' idea of the 'paradox of thrift'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/05/david-cameron-paradox-of-thrift

At some point, we need to wake up and begin to sheet the blame in the correct places and take the following action:

1. Debt Jubilee! ... (ok, crucify me, but hear me out!) - give it to people who want it, but ban them from accessing any/or cheap credit for a period of 10 years so that these undisciplined assoles can sit it out.
2. Massive education program so that we do not fall into the same problem as the good residents of South Park in the episode where Stan pays off the debt of everyone in a Debt Jubilee and then go on another spending spree only to rack up more debt.
[video]http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/222708/paying-for-everyones-debts?xrs=playershare_fb[/video]

3. Of course, the consumer and the mum and dad property investor have a massive hand in this ... bidding up the prices of property.
4. Put all bankers, Robert Kiyosaki, television producers of shows like 'The Block', etc. on a desert island until this whole thing is sorted. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM AND HAVE NO PART IN THE SOLUTION. PERIOD.
4. Ban corporate campaign contributions to American, British and Australian parliaments.

Call me a commo, Marxist, whatever you want. The big end of time have had enough time to fix it. And they have only fixed it for themselves.

The whole system needs to be looked at honestly. And since the big end of time own the media and are not having the proper debates, hopefully movements like this will collectively shout...

'The EXIT SIGNS ARE GREEN. You've had your turn. Now #(%* OFF!' Time for some new thinking. Neoliberalism, Mises, von Hayek, Austrians, are DEAD. BURIED. They have NO PART IN THE SOLUTION.

Oh, this guy tells it like it is :)



Michael Flately is really from Chicago!
 
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Lol... bit of a rant that, wasn't it?
Sorry about the frustration... a sign that not a single politician is trying to get anything done, and that big media really are not having the correct debates.

:p::D
 
BradK said:
Bandicoot. Thanks for the apology.

Now back to business....

Interestingly, David Cameron had his ass kicked yesterday when he WAS going to encourage Britains to pay off their credit card and store cards ... however, the comment was pulled from the speech, and has been criticised all over the Guardian for his economic illiteracy. Here, Larry Elliot talks about Keynes' idea of the 'paradox of thrift'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/05/david-cameron-paradox-of-thrift

At some point, we need to wake up and begin to sheet the blame in the correct places and take the following action:

1. Debt Jubilee! ... (ok, crucify me, but hear me out!) - give it to people who want it, but ban them from accessing any/or cheap credit for a period of 10 years so that these undisciplined assoles can sit it out.
2. Massive education program so that we do not fall into the same problem as the good residents of South Park in the episode where Stan pays off the debt of everyone in a Debt Jubilee and then go on another spending spree only to rack up more debt.
[video]http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/222708/paying-for-everyones-debts?xrs=playershare_fb[/video]

3. Of course, the consumer and the mum and dad property investor have a massive hand in this ... bidding up the prices of property.
4. Put all bankers, Robert Kiyosaki, television producers of shows like 'The Block', etc. on a desert island until this whole thing is sorted. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM AND HAVE NO PART IN THE SOLUTION. PERIOD.
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I'm not sure we can hold the block responsible for current overpriced housing ;) although it does push the widespread view of "house prices always go up" and " you can't go wrong with bricks and mortar" It's a shame Cameron copped a flogging for this. God forbid we actually get to the root of the problem and pay down debt instead of trying to band aid it and hoping for the best.

I didn't read about Keynes but I'm fairly sure he's the guy that developed the idea in the early 1900's of controlling the economy with rates and stimulus? How wrong he was.
 
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