NinjaTrader 8

[Trembling Hand]

For long suffering Ninja Trader users version 8 has just been released as an open Beta if you want to have a play.

Boy am I hopeful it will be a case of this ........ rather than the usual this, :nosympathc::horse::goodnight

http://ninjatrader.com/Download

 

[CanOz]

For long suffering Ninja Trader users version 8 has just been released as an open Beta if you want to have a play.

Boy am I hopeful it will be a case of this ........ rather than the usual this, :nosympathc::horse::goodnight

http://ninjatrader.com/Download

I was part of the closed beta trial, I lasted 5 minutes because there is a bug that won't allow me to run ninja on my windows because of the name of my administration file....

I won't be touching this until it's out of beta. Once I get to Australia I may just go with market delta and TT anyway....

 

[ThingyMajiggy]

Well for some reason I had high hopes, but for the 3452 years it took to release a new version, it's fairly crap.....so far anyway, better give it some slack seeing as it's beta.

Problem is there isn't much else on offer, might be worth continuing my software development progress and make my own, could be more profitable in the long run too(or as well as )

 

[Caveroute]

Well for some reason I had high hopes, but for the 3452 years it took to release a new version, it's fairly crap.....so far anyway, better give it some slack seeing as it's beta.

Problem is there isn't much else on offer, might be worth continuing my software development progress and make my own, could be more profitable in the long run too(or as well as )

Why do you think it's crap ?

 

[ThingyMajiggy]

Why do you think it's crap ?

Maybe crap is a little harsh, but considering how long it's been since v7 was released nothing has really changed, the things that annoy me, still annoy me, and they've done silly things like making the trade/account performance a little more complicated to access, just little things, kind of like changing things for the sake of changing things, not necessarily making it better.

I gather they've done a lot of work under the hood performance wise which hopefully speeds it up and makes it a little more stable which it needed badly, but otherwise I was hoping for a little more, more revamped, it's basically just a slightly sexier look to it with the options of different skins/themes.

It's still fine, guess I was just hoping for more of an upgrade, maybe more will come as time progresses as it's only in beta.

For me CQG is still the clear winner, with TT slowly getting more stable. But both of those have fairly significant costs attached so NT is fairly good bang for buck in comparison I suppose.

 

[CanOz]

Sam, how often does NT crash on you?

How many charts do you have open,how much data do you have loaded?

 

[Caveroute]

Sam, how often does NT crash on you?

How many charts do you have open,how much data do you have loaded?

For me, never crashes, lots of open charts & data. Say, 10 instruments, tick data over the last 30 days.

It's 100% stable. v8 maybe has a few issues, but this is new software ......................

 

[ThingyMajiggy]

Sam, how often does NT crash on you?

How many charts do you have open,how much data do you have loaded?

It doesn't really crash, but it can be very clunky at times and the start-up times are ridiculous, from double clicking the icon to actually being ready to put a trade on vs other platforms. v8 does seem to be a little quicker.

V7 is pretty good now, but I was just a little disappointed when moving to v8 how little of an upgrade it was, V7 didn't really bother me, just a few little things that used to annoy me, but it was still my platform of choice because other platforms were even worse.

Hence me joking about making my own

 

[CanOz]

It doesn't really crash, but it can be very clunky at times and the start-up times are ridiculous, from double clicking the icon to actually being ready to put a trade on vs other platforms. v8 does seem to be a little quicker.

V7 is pretty good now, but I was just a little disappointed when moving to v8 how little of an upgrade it was, V7 didn't really bother me, just a few little things that used to annoy me, but it was still my platform of choice because other platforms were even worse.

Hence me joking about making my own

I'd be really interested for you and caveroute to compare your hardware and internet speed.

From my experience, problems with NT come from either not enough resources in the machine, or slow internet speed. I suffer mostly from quality of internet, likely rare in Western countries with high speed services.

Poorly coded scripts can cause problems such well, but I guess that wouldn't be an issue as you use few indicators....

CanOz

 

[Caveroute]

I'd be really interested for you and caveroute to compare your hardware and internet speed.

From my experience, problems with NT come from either not enough resources in the machine, or slow internet speed. I suffer mostly from quality of internet, likely rare in Western countries with high speed services.

Poorly coded scripts can cause problems such well, but I guess that wouldn't be an issue as you use few indicators....

CanOz

No probs.

HP Z230 SFF workstation, I4770, 8mb Ram.
Telstra Cable ~35 Mbs max download speed, Ping times ~10ms. Solid as a rock.

I don't believe NT7 is resource hungry, just the opposite in fact. It may be slow to start but it's probably doing all its loading / caching up front, so everything is ready for subsequent work. If you go to windows task manager and look at what resources its consuming you will see it's very little.

I should preface this with how I use it. I'm just a discretionary chart trader, no indicators, no programmed strategies, couldn't be simpler really, so I don't really place much of a load on it. If your doing fancy things in the background it may be a different story.

FWIW, I have programmed NT strategies in the past, and I do recall the optimizer was a little flakey at times.

 

[CanOz]

No probs.

HP Z230 SFF workstation, I4770, 8mb Ram.
Telstra Cable ~35 Mbs max download speed, Ping times ~10ms. Solid as a rock.

I don't believe NT7 is resource hungry, just the opposite in fact. It may be slow to start but it's probably doing all its loading / caching up front, so everything is ready for subsequent work. If you go to windows task manager and look at what resources its consuming you will see it's very little.

I should preface this with how I use it. I'm just a discretionary chart trader, no indicators, no programmed strategies, couldn't be simpler really, so I don't really place much of a load on it. If your doing fancy things in the background it may be a different story.

FWIW, I have programmed NT strategies in the past, and I do recall the optimizer was a little flakey at times.

Are you running an SSD?

 

[Caveroute]

Are you running an SSD?

No SSD.

But there is very little disk activity anyway so an SSD wouldn't help.

Even on start up, if the time is taken downloading stuff over the net then the SSD will not help.

 

[Trembling Hand]

I'd be really interested for you and caveroute to compare your hardware and internet speed.

From my experience, problems with NT come from either not enough resources in the machine, or slow internet speed. I suffer mostly from quality of internet, likely rare in Western countries with high speed services.

Poorly coded scripts can cause problems such well, but I guess that wouldn't be an issue as you use few indicators....

CanOz

I would say since the last few versions of NT7 it is a hell of a lot more stable. I used to have problems with it crashing on the data connection to IB. Something I haven't had for a long time - years?

I cannot be sure what has made the difference (no longer using IB?) as I have had lots of different computer upgrades but for me it is now stable as far as day to day running and I do push it. 4 large screens, 28 different charts most of them on 0.1 sec update interval, multiple indicators on each chart updating "on tick" that I have coded so they are definitely rubbish coding . 3 NT DOMs, a market analyser with indicators as well as running TT or CQG DOMs plus other stuff.

My Comp set up is SSD, i7, 8G Win 8 64 bit and pretty fast cable,



There is a few things that look better in NT8 mostly for me the ability to set how many levels display in the DOM instead of the stupid 5 levels only it has been stuck on. The change in skin seems weird for no reason and the extra bulk for the Control Centre is crap. And a major headache - the scripts are not compatible between NT7 > NT8. :frown:

 

[CanOz]

Thanks for the reply guys, I'm running an i7, 256 gb SSD, 16 mb Ram on a 64 bit OS. All my indicators are either purchased retail or custom coded, so no issues there i don't think. The majority of my issues come from the loss of packet data or inability to connect to the data servers.

My laptop struggles, its an i5 HDD with 8 gb ram, 32 bit OS. I had a second version of NT leased when i was just executing on it, so it had only the jigsaw DOM for indicators. It eventually blew a fan up and since then i've gone back to executing on my trading machine until i get my new laptop.

I have the maximum amount of minute data loaded on one chart and that seems to give me trouble as well, i think its 7 years.

I'll try NT8 once i get setup in Australia.

CanOz

 

[ThingyMajiggy]

4 large screens, 28 different charts most of them on 0.1 sec update interval, multiple indicators on each chart updating "on tick" that I have coded so they are definitely rubbish coding . 3 NT DOMs, a market analyser with indicators as well as running TT or CQG DOMs plus other stuff.

My Comp set up is SSD, i7, 8G Win 8 64 bit and pretty fast cable,

28 charts You trading or managing a hedge fund? You must be part fly to watch all that at once.

 

[sinner]

The majority of my issues come from the loss of packet data or inability to connect to the data servers.

Get a virtual machine from Amazon/Google/Azure based in the US running Windows Server on it. Set it up as a VPN server so you can connect to it securely (note I don't mean VPN router which is what most people assume VPN is for). Enable Microsoft Remote Desktop and you can connect remotely to the screen.

That way all the internet data connections are going between your broker and your virtual machine. If you lose the connection to the VM none of that is disrupted, only your ability to view/interact with what's happening.

 

[CanOz]

Get a virtual machine from Amazon/Google/Azure based in the US running Windows Server on it. Set it up as a VPN server so you can connect to it securely (note I don't mean VPN router which is what most people assume VPN is for). Enable Microsoft Remote Desktop and you can connect remotely to the screen.

That way all the internet data connections are going between your broker and your virtual machine. If you lose the connection to the VM none of that is disrupted, only your ability to view/interact with what's happening.

Yeah, it's a good idea. If I were not moving to Brisbane I'd do something like this. However I'll have a it and see what my latency is like once I get setup. I think the wife will give me another 12 months on Australia to get my track record together....hopefully I don't need it....I can continue on as now or better.

 

[blaze182]

Get a virtual machine from Amazon/Google/Azure based in the US running Windows Server on it. Set it up as a VPN server so you can connect to it securely (note I don't mean VPN router which is what most people assume VPN is for). Enable Microsoft Remote Desktop and you can connect remotely to the screen.

That way all the internet data connections are going between your broker and your virtual machine. If you lose the connection to the VM none of that is disrupted, only your ability to view/interact with what's happening.

I've actually be planning exactly this, when I get some time off work - likely closer to Christmas I'll try and get setup - any tips or insights I should keep in mind?

My computer can handle everything perfectly, but the risk of down-time and access on the fly mean it just makes more sense to offload to a VPN.

@ TH, why'd you drop IB?

 

[Caveroute]

Get a virtual machine from Amazon/Google/Azure based in the US running Windows Server on it. Set it up as a VPN server so you can connect to it securely (note I don't mean VPN router which is what most people assume VPN is for). Enable Microsoft Remote Desktop and you can connect remotely to the screen.

That way all the internet data connections are going between your broker and your virtual machine. If you lose the connection to the VM none of that is disrupted, only your ability to view/interact with what's happening.

Interesting, VM's & VPN's to one side, if you place a trade using an NT strategy that has order entry, profit and stop criteria, once the entry order is triggered what role does your PC play in managing the trade?

The answer is nothing, it has a passive display only function, the strategy itself is managed by the broker s/w and all orders are stored on the exchange.

Unless of course you manually change or move one of the exit orders on you pc, but that is just a pass thru activity.

So I'm at a loss to understand how a VM or VPN would help.

 

[sinner]

So I'm at a loss to understand how a VM or VPN would help.

Did you read the bit of the post that I quoted? CanOz said:

The majority of my issues come from the loss of packet data or inability to connect to the data servers.