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Sure thing @Skate -- I'll post up the sim results for the parameters you've specified. I'll post them up later tonight. No it's not Radge's WTT, it's my take on the common RSI/MA based swing which I've been live trading for almost 2 years now and yes I coded it in AB (sorry I know my RSI/MA post is a bit off topic for this thread but was just responding to TraderJimmy's question). I've been live trading my modified version of Radge's WTT since 2015 so I'll put those sim results up as well, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.
@MovingAverage WOW, that is a generous offer to post captures of both strategies.
Another minor request
Is it possible to post the captures in the "Dump it here" thread as the subject matter is in line with the current theme of posts.
I'm always after educational posts
Posting captures of your RSI/MA Strategy & your modified Radge WTT Strategy would make for the ideal post as most readers are interested in how & what others are trading. When members formulate their own strategy it tends to motivate others to do the same.
Thank you.
Skate.
No problems....I use Stator to track my live trades so I'll do a performance dump from Stator so you can see the live trades as well.
It would be even better if you would change your parameters to match the ones below
Backtest period = 1st January 2020 to 30th June 2020
Portfolio Size = $300K
Number of positions = 20
Skate.
This is very very interesting! Bang for buck using the 52-week ATR is the ranking system I use for my superannuation system. I was never a fan of using ROC % as a ranking indicator. To me, it always seemed as though ROC ranking would get you into stocks with pre existing, big established trends, and filter the base breakouts in low $ value stocks to the bottom of the list. This is what would have happened this week to GXY even though its potential weekly return is 3rd highest. This is no issue when you are originally establishing a portfolio because you buy everything that meets your entry criteria until the portfolio is full. But, once the portfolio is established and you only have 1 or 2 spaces to fill in the portfolio, especially when you are not trading a $300,000 account (used for all the backtests I have seen on here recently), you might unintentionally filter out the most profitable stocks due to a ranking system that prioritises past price movement over possible weekly returns.The results are highly sensitive to the ranking algorithm. The WTT book didn't provide a ranking algorithm, but random is not a choice.
- Ranking by ROC, you'd lose, Net profit % = -16.59%
- Ranking by BFB of last 52 weeks (bank for the buck, highest volatile stocks), Net profit % = 16.48%.
Never thought of it. May be worth exploring.I've been trading one of my systems using an ATR based ranking and I like it.
Ranking using Bang for Buck
Hi,
WTT coded by myself, reviewed by another online friend, but please take it with a grain of salt. I know that you can't have the cake and eat it too, but every time I get interested into this system I found the general performance since 2013 not better than simply investing directly into the index (SPX or Russell 3000).
Hope it helps.
Do you mean for Amibroker? If so, I don't use it. I calculate everything using formula through an Excel spreadsheet.@Cam019 could I ask the code that you use for your Bang for Buck ranking? I'd be interested to see how this works on some of my systems.
@Cam019 could I ask the code that you use for your Bang for Buck ranking? I'd be interested to see how this works on some of my systems.
@TraderJimmy here you go. I've just done a quick backtest in Ami to give you a general feel for the performance of my swing system. Remember, this is just a single run and the system performance will vary depending on the combination of trades taken (I prefer to look at a bunch of different simulations through Monte Carlo to get a better understanding of how a system is likely to behave). I've just run this on All Ords constituents between 1/1/2000 through to today.These sims are backtested on a simple position size approach of each position being 20% of portfolio value so max of 5 concurrent open positions. In summary, system has high win rate of around 65%, has average hold time of 4 days, frequent trades for small average profit of around 4% on winning trades.
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This is before i tweaked my exit, i stopped trading around a 20% dd. Still hurts but good lesson. Trading my tweaked system nowYour results are interesting MA, it sounds like your system is very similar to the one I trade. I have a trading mine from around 2016. I use 10 positions at 10% tho not five. I also have about three different entries depending on the current market conditions. The charts below are from my latest version that I tweaked after the initial covid crash, my exit was too slow in the freefalling market. I will add a chart of my initial version after.
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Your results are interesting MA, it sounds like your system is very similar to the one I trade. I have a trading mine from around 2016. I use 10 positions at 10% tho not five. I also have about three different entries depending on the current market conditions. The charts below are from my latest version that I tweaked after the initial covid crash, my exit was too slow in the freefalling market. I will add a chart of my initial version after.
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This is before i tweaked my exit, i stopped trading around a 20% dd. Still hurts but good lesson. Trading my tweaked system now
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Thanks for the post @Roller_1. Yes, we seem to have similar stats. Mine definitely has a higher Avg, Profit/Loss % but I think that is probably down to my more aggressive position sizing--your 10% v. my 20%. The big difference I can see between your performance and my performance is the consecutive winners/losers ratio--my system runs at a ratio of a little over 3:1 (3 winners for 1 loser). Your sims have your system running at around 1.5:1. You seem to have a shorter hold time than mine, which is good. By the look of that equity curve you're not running an index filter either? Your three different entries sounds interesting...care to share any high-level insight into your entries?
Where abouts do you get that ratio from?
Are you using limit orders to enter the market? If so do you have much trouble with missing trades?
Cheers.
Re the ratio: from your results you show Max. Consecutive winners of 21 and Max Consecutive losers of 13, which in round figures is 1.5 winners to 1 loser. While not shown in my post my sims has my Max. Consecutive winners at 25 and Max. Consecutive losers at around 5 giving me a 3 to 1 ratio. Yes I do use limit orders and yes I miss trades especially in the current volatile (up one day down the next day) environment. It is early days yet but I'm pretty certain I can improve on that by setting my entry condition (limit price) based on ATR of the index. I've done some preliminary sims and they are looking promising--early results showing an increase of 15% to 20% of entered trades. Partial fills can be an issue to.
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