NBN Rollout Scrapped

[So_Cynical]

Sums up the CBN quite nicely

Brilliant, says it all...someone should get this printed on T-Shirts.

 

[drsmith]

My goodness!

The grapes have become very sour in this thread and that when it is looking like more brownfields will be passed with fibre in the first 12 months of this government than there was under the previous 6-years of Labor.

 

[So_Cynical]

My goodness!

The grapes have become very sour in this thread and that when it is looking like more brownfields will be passed with fibre in the first 12 months of this government than there was under the previous 6-years of Labor.

No one gives a rats ass, its a half arsed NBN, a technological mish mash to satisfy some right wing political agenda, infrastructure with a political agenda, its madness.

 

[sydboy007]

My goodness!

The grapes have become very sour in this thread and that when it is looking like more brownfields will be passed with fibre in the first 12 months of this government than there was under the previous 6-years of Labor.

So you believe 100% of that improvement is due to the Liberals, or could it be that the workers have gotten through the learning period and have gained quite a bit of efficiency which is just kicking in? As with most large scale projects most of the efficiency gains come from learning what does and doesn't work. I'm sure there will be an equally steep learning curve on for the CBN, worse so because they will have to learn with regards to HFC and FTTN. I'm still waiting to see how long it will take to link up the pillar to premises pair with the exchange to pillar pair. Multiply that by tens of thousands of pillars. Either extended outages as users are cutover to the node, or significantly degraded ADSL services till a person chooses to be migrated due to interference from the VDSL spec. No vectoring though if everyone is not migrated to the node, so will be interesting to see what option Turnbull picks.

Considering the LN+P went to the election with an IRONCLAD promise to have the FTTN rolled out by end of 2016 for minimum 25Mbs and reneged on that within a few months, why should the electorate be happy? Now there's no minimum speed upgrade and so a continuation of the current situation of those closest to the exchange / node get higher speeds than those further away. Yay for Node lotto.

If the little slip Ziggy let go that the Telstra / Optus negotiations may still be going on in 2015 is true, one has to wonder when any of the actual Liberal CBN will start to be built, or just how much taxpayers money they will have to spend on fixing up the copper network they previously sold off and which Telstra has allowed to degrade considerably if Ziggy gets his wish that NBNCo will own it.

I'll be quite surprised if there's a non trial FTTN customer connected to the CBN by the end of this year.

maybe we should have a quarterly tally of active connections on the NBN (current FTTP and Fixed wireless rollout) and compare to the CBN (FTTN and HFC after optical Node upgrades).

I wonder how many years it will take before the CBN is in front?

 

[drsmith]

No one gives a rats ass, its a half arsed NBN, a technological mish mash to satisfy some right wing political agenda, infrastructure with a political agenda, its madness.

We know where the political agenda at any cost was, right down to the red underpants. That though and Syd's post below mostly old ground which has long since been covered in this thread.

 

[NBNMyths]

My goodness!

The grapes have become very sour in this thread and that when it is looking like more brownfields will be passed with fibre in the first 12 months of this government than there was under the previous 6-years of Labor.

Seriously?

As syd wrote, all the rollout gains we are seeing now are due to the project finally hitting volume rollout, which it did before the election. Every connection currently being switched on was started before the Coalition even came to power!

There's no sour grapes here, only plenty of "I told you so", as the Coalition stumble from one broken NBN commitment to another.

Their "25Mbps to 100% by 2016" fell by ~50% within 2 months of the election, as the cost went up by 25%. The deadline for 50Mbps has gone completely.

The long-promised CBA has been pushed aside, with Turnbull telling NBN Co to go ahead with the Coalition's plan before the CBA has been completed! What was the point of doing it, if the results have already been ignored?

Have they actually kept a single one of their pre-election NBN commitments? If this was the ALP, you'd be screaming blue murder.

Mark my words: In 20 years, Turnbull's multi technology mix (spin for obsolete hodgepodge) NBN will go down as one of the biggest infrastructure bungles in Australia's history.

If there are sour grapes, then you'll be enjoying them too.

 

[drsmith]

There's no sour grapes here, only plenty of "I told you so", as the Coalition stumble from one broken NBN commitment to another.

The rollout under this government seems to be progressing far more soothly than it ever did under Labor. The failed election promises and fanciful corporate plans from NBN Co throughout Labor's time in office is actual history.

If there are sour grapes, then you'll be enjoying them too.

In that statement, you highlight the reality of sour grapes.

The only way you'll actually enjoy them is in the hope that others will have to as well.

 

[NBNMyths]

The rollout under this government seems to be progressing far more soothly than it ever did under Labor. The failed election promises and fanciful corporate plans from NBN Co throughout Labor's time in office is actual history.

In that statement, you highlight the reality of sour grapes. The only way you'll actually enjoy them is in the hope that others will have to as well.

You don't get it. The rollout as it currently runs is no different to the way it was pre-election. The connections currently being made began over 12 months ago, or ~7 months before the coalition came to power.

The rollout is Labor's Fibre-wireless-satellite NBN, being done by the same contractors on the same terms using the same methods. The only difference is the way progress is being reported.

The "CBN" hasn't even begun yet. Not a single connection outside Labor's already-underway model has been made, and won't be for at least another 12 months.

The Coalition's performance can only be judged on their plan and the implementation of it. Progress? Even before basic design has begun, their promised deadline has blown out by 50% and costs by 25%! I can only imagine where it will go from here.

I don't want anyone to have to 'enjoy' sour grapes. My point is that all of Australia will get to have them whether they like it or not, because of the already-obsolete schemozzle being imposed upon us. The fact this is occurring despite essentially 99.9% of expert opinion makes it all the more disappointing.

 

[drsmith]

Myths,

You say all the above ignoring the train wreck Labor's plan became. it couldn't even make the grade on successive downgraded corporate plans let alone election commitments.

As I've said before, what will be critical for the Coalition is NBN Co meeting targets set out implementing their model through future corporate plans under their government.

 

[IFocus]

You don't get it. The rollout as it currently runs is no different to the way it was pre-election. The connections currently being made began over 12 months ago, or ~7 months before the coalition came to power.

The rollout is Labor's Fibre-wireless-satellite NBN, being done by the same contractors on the same terms using the same methods. The only difference is the way progress is being reported.

The "CBN" hasn't even begun yet. Not a single connection outside Labor's already-underway model has been made, and won't be for at least another 12 months.

The Coalition's performance can only be judged on their plan and the implementation of it. Progress? Even before basic design has begun, their promised deadline has blown out by 50% and costs by 25%! I can only imagine where it will go from here.

I don't want anyone to have to 'enjoy' sour grapes. My point is that all of Australia will get to have them whether they like it or not, because of the already-obsolete schemozzle being imposed upon us. The fact this is occurring despite essentially 99.9% of expert opinion makes it all the more disappointing.

Your wasting your breath quoting facts as you see from the replies through out this entire thread no facts but ultra politicization Coalition good Labor bad.

 

[drsmith]

Your wasting your breath quoting facts as you see from the replies through out this entire thread no facts but ultra politicization Coalition good Labor bad.

The facts are littered throughout this thread should you wish to take a deeper look.

 

[NBNMyths]

As I've said before, what will be critical for the Coalition is NBN Co meeting targets set out implementing their model through future corporate plans under their government.

So you make no criticism for the Coalition's complete failure to meet any of their their pre-election NBN targets, costs or commitments?

 

[drsmith]

So you make no criticism for the Coalition's complete failure to meet any of their their pre-election NBN targets, costs or commitments?

Less than the litany of failures this project suffered under Labor which went well beyond election commitments.

IIRC, this aspect of the discussion was covered in this thread when the strategic review was released.

 

[Calliope]

Your wasting your breath quoting facts as you see from the replies through out this entire thread no facts but ultra politicization Coalition good Labor bad.

Yeah IF. Your three wise guys, IF, Myths and Sid, still yearning for the lost Messiah...Conroy.:roll eyes:

 

[DB008]

Yeah IF. Your three wise guys, IF, Myths and Sid, still yearning for the lost Messiah...Conroy.:roll eyes:

Conroy?

This guy??

 

[NBNMyths]

Less than the litany of failures this project suffered under Labor which went well beyond election commitments.

I would certainly hope so. They've only been in power for 6 months, and haven't actually tried to do anything yet.

I wonder how it would look if we compared the status of Labor's NBN plan 6 months after they came to power, versus the Coalition's plan today….

 

[sptrawler]

I would certainly hope so. They've only been in power for 6 months, and haven't actually tried to do anything yet.

I wonder how it would look if we compared the status of Labor's NBN plan 6 months after they came to power, versus the Coalition's plan today….

As you know a project like this is massive, Labor will be pleased to be out from under it.
I have had an optical fibre at the house since the election, the cabinet has been in the street for 12 months, yet there is still no service available.
I contacted them in October and they had no idea of time frame, I contacted them last week, same answer.
Now from my understanding all existinging connenctions were given the green light by the coalition just after they took office.Therefore funding would have been uninterupted and the connection time wouldn't have changed.
However I have no doubt the full blame will be laid at the coalitions feet. Labor has a child like inability to accept any accountability, for irresponsible policy.
I admire your knowledge and enthusiasm for the NBN, Myths, however there are some much bigger issues facing us.IMO
Having said that, it is always great to read your posts.

 

[NBNMyths]

Now from my understanding all existinging connenctions were given the green light by the coalition just after they took office.Therefore funding would have been uninterupted and the connection time wouldn't have changed.

No, connections currently taking place were started about 12 months ago (it takes ~12 months from the issue of construction orders for an area to activation of that area).

The Coalition have indeed kept FTTP rollout going with new construction orders, but they won't be activated for another ~6 months yet.

 

[drsmith]

I would certainly hope so. They've only been in power for 6 months, and haven't actually tried to do anything yet.

I wonder how it would look if we compared the status of Labor's NBN plan 6 months after they came to power, versus the Coalition's plan today….

6-months after coming to office, Labor was still on plan A.

 

[sptrawler]

No, connections currently taking place were started about 12 months ago (it takes ~12 months from the issue of construction orders for an area to activation of that area).

The Coalition have indeed kept FTTP rollout going with new construction orders, but they won't be activated for another ~6 months yet.

Thanks for the info.